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Postby Ors Might » Sat Jul 27, 2019 2:00 pm

Nakena wrote:
Ors Might wrote:I can break out my criticisms on Judaism and Christianity, if you insist. I’m no friend of those faiths.


I can join you in that if you want.

Christianity has been done to death, tbh. I still remember the “christian pwning” that went on and kinda still is going on over on Youtube. Judaism, not so much. Probably cause of that whole Nazi thing.
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Al Mumtahanah wrote:This is Moses from the Bible: "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

Why aren't you flipping out over Jews and Christians? Indeed while the Qur'an says in court a woman is equal to a male witness, the Bible says female testimony is totally invalid. No one is crying how Jews and Christians are a threat to western civilization.


Because the vast majority of Christians and Jews have moved on and no longer espouse the really unpleasant portions of their mythology. That hasn't happened so much with Islam.

All those Muslims in Michigan slaughtering women and children indiscriminately.
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Postby The Greater Union of Man » Sat Jul 27, 2019 2:00 pm

Teaching on LGBT stuff is way different from teaching about a barbaric religion that throws LGBT individuals off buildings and refuses to leave the middle ages.

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Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:And that would have been wrong. The West isn’t perfect, but its methodology means it consistently improves itself. Can’t say the same for a community that’s still debating “Islamic Slavery”.

In contrast with western slavery. Muslim States no longer permit slavery though

And yet Muslim States tend to still fall below that bare minimum decency rating.
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Al Mumtahanah wrote:
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Because the vast majority of Christians and Jews have moved on and no longer espouse the really unpleasant portions of their mythology. That hasn't happened so much with Islam.

More likely their holy book is so long that a lot of them haven't read most of it.


Pretty sure the Pope has. And they haven't called for the stoning of gays for years now. Same for the Archbishop of Canterbury, the religious leaders in Israel, and so on and so forth.

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Because the vast majority of Christians and Jews have moved on and no longer espouse the really unpleasant portions of their mythology. That hasn't happened so much with Islam.

All those Muslims in Michigan slaughtering women and children indiscriminately.

Muslims in Michigan don’t have a societal monopoly.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Jul 27, 2019 2:01 pm

Al Mumtahanah wrote:
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:And that would have been wrong. The West isn’t perfect, but its methodology means it consistently improves itself. Can’t say the same for a community that’s still debating “Islamic Slavery”.

In contrast with western slavery. Muslim States no longer permit slavery though

What western states allow slavery?

Edit: Misread.
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Because the vast majority of Christians and Jews have moved on and no longer espouse the really unpleasant portions of their mythology. That hasn't happened so much with Islam.

All those Muslims in Michigan slaughtering women and children indiscriminately.

Nah, they’re over in the ME slaughtering men and women for liking people with the wrong junk.
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Because the vast majority of Christians and Jews have moved on and no longer espouse the really unpleasant portions of their mythology. That hasn't happened so much with Islam.

All those Muslims in Michigan slaughtering women and children indiscriminately.


How many honour killings have there been in the US?

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Postby Nakena » Sat Jul 27, 2019 2:03 pm

Ors Might wrote:
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I can join you in that if you want.

Christianity has been done to death, tbh. I still remember the “christian pwning” that went on and kinda still is going on over on Youtube. Judaism, not so much. Probably cause of that whole Nazi thing.


Christianity is pretty done too in itself. Its no longer a threat, except in some areas.

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Because the vast majority of Christians and Jews have moved on and no longer espouse the really unpleasant portions of their mythology. That hasn't happened so much with Islam.

All those Muslims in Michigan slaughtering women and children indiscriminately.


Since when you watching Foxnews and read Breitbart?

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Al Mumtahanah wrote:In contrast with western slavery. Muslim States no longer permit slavery though

What western states allow slavery?

Well…
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Postby Crockerland » Sat Jul 27, 2019 2:04 pm

Al Mumtahanah wrote:
Crockerland wrote:https://quran.com/2/223
"Your wives are a place of sowing of seed for you, so come to your place of cultivation however you wish and put forth [righteousness] for yourselves. And fear Allah and know that you will meet Him. And give good tidings to the believers."


This should be one of the first lessons in the classes on Islam, how Islam promotes and endorses the forcible rape of women. This is not limited to the wives of Muslims, but slaves are also permitted to be raped after being dragged away from their husbands and fathers.


https://quranx.com/Hadith/Muslim/USC-MSA/Book-8/Hadith-3432/
"Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah her pleased with him) reported that at the Battle of Hanain Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace te upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:

" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)" (i. e. they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end)."

https://muflihun.com/muslim/8/3371
"Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger ﷺ mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger ﷺ on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us;
why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Mes- senger ﷺ, and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born."

This is Moses from the Bible: "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

Why aren't you flipping out over Jews and Christians? Indeed while the Qur'an says in court a woman is equal to a male witness, the Bible says female testimony is totally invalid. No one is crying how Jews and Christians are a threat to western civilization.

Because Christianity doesn't even follow Moses' laws and neither Christians nor Jews believe that Moses was infallible and a person who others should aspire to be like. He freaked out and smashed God's commandments (the only thing God ever wrote) out of anger, and bungled his mission so badly that God made the Jews wander around the Sinai desert for decades until Moses and the Jewboomers all finally keeled over dead. God in fact specifically bars Moses personally from entering the Holy Land due to his sinful ways, not once, but twice, for two separate reasons (Deuteronomy 1:37-38) (Numbers 20:1-12). God outright calls Moses' generation evil (Deuteronomy 1:35)

On the other hand, Muhammad is specifically named as someone Muslims should aspire to emulate and be like:
"Verily in the messenger of Allah ye have a good example for him who looketh unto Allah and the Last Day, and remembereth Allah much."
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I can join you in that if you want.

:(
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Jul 27, 2019 2:05 pm

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Eternal Lotharia wrote: :(
Friendo why


There’s nothing wrong about criticizing religions. It should be done and often.

Correct.
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This title is kind of misleading...
pro: women's rights
anti: men's rights

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Postby Cekoviu » Sat Jul 27, 2019 2:06 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
There’s nothing wrong about criticizing religions. It should be done and often.

Leads to Christophobia and Islamophobia.

Oh my god, not this again.
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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Sat Jul 27, 2019 2:06 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Al Mumtahanah wrote:In contrast with western slavery. Muslim States no longer permit slavery though

And yet Muslim States tend to still fall below that bare minimum decency rating.

Kind of ironic that the Ottoman Empire was pushing for modernization (they decriminalized sodomy throughout the Empire in the mid 1800's) and the West sided with Wahhabis to undo them. Even more ironic is that most flogging and anti homosexual statutes in Muslim states are not in Shariaa court, but in courts using colonial law. It's a pip.
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Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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There’s nothing wrong about criticizing religions. It should be done and often.

Leads to Christophobia and Islamophobia.


You’re talking about extremes. It’s possible to criticize a religion without hating it.
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Postby Kowani » Sat Jul 27, 2019 2:06 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
There’s nothing wrong about criticizing religions. It should be done and often.

Leads to Christophobia and Islamophobia.

And yet it’s still better than the alternative.
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Postby Nakena » Sat Jul 27, 2019 2:06 pm

Kowani wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:What western states allow slavery?

Well…


Wage slavery.

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Because he is.

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Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
There’s nothing wrong about criticizing religions. It should be done and often.

Leads to Christophobia and Islamophobia.

You mean opposing the religious indoctrination of children and fighting fundie influence? Yes please.
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Postby Ors Might » Sat Jul 27, 2019 2:06 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
There’s nothing wrong about criticizing religions. It should be done and often.

Leads to Christophobia and Islamophobia.

Better than letting bad things go uncriticized. What, are we supposed to ignore the problems that these religions have to spare feelings?
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Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
There’s nothing wrong about criticizing religions. It should be done and often.

Leads to Christophobia and Islamophobia.

Yeah, because nothing bad has ever come from making religion immune to criticism...
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Neanderthaland wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Leads to Christophobia and Islamophobia.

Yeah, because nothing bad has ever come from making religion immune to criticism...


History is totally not full of examples.
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Fartsniffage wrote:
Gormwood wrote:All those Muslims in Michigan slaughtering women and children indiscriminately.


How many honour killings have there been in the US?

So why does that matter? If there were any in the U.S. God Knows it would be blown up on right wing media as an epidemic.
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