Classes on Islam should be mandatory, UK teachers say

[Crockerland]

https://quran.com/2/223
"Your wives are a place of sowing of seed for you, so come to your place of cultivation however you wish and put forth [righteousness] for yourselves. And fear Allah and know that you will meet Him. And give good tidings to the believers."


This should be one of the first lessons in the classes on Islam, how Islam promotes and endorses the forcible rape of women. This is not limited to the wives of Muslims, but slaves are also permitted to be raped after being dragged away from their husbands and fathers.


https://quranx.com/Hadith/Muslim/USC-MSA/Book-8/Hadith-3432/
"Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah her pleased with him) reported that at the Battle of Hanain Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace te upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:

" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)" (i. e. they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end)."

https://muflihun.com/muslim/8/3371
"Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger ﷺ mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger ﷺ on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us;
why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Mes- senger ﷺ, and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born."

[Cenomannos infecisse santo Insel]

>traitors against the west

>not saying "race traitors"

Uh-huh. Pull the other one, it rings.

Mhm.

Western Civilization=Racist codeword for White Civilization.

It's not even western anymore. Western Civilization has been hijacked by a religion from Southern Palestine called Christianity.

[Genivaria]

It may be used as that, but I’m not using it that way here.

Indeed but Swastikas have the same equivalence in situation in this regard and we have the sense to not use them.

You're really gonna have to demonstrate why anyone should view 'Western Civilization' as a racist codeword comparable to a fucking Nazi swastika.

[Vassenor]

>traitors against the west

>not saying "race traitors"

Uh-huh. Pull the other one, it rings.

You’ve asked me to justify things, so justify your line of reasoning to me: where did I say that?

Being a citizen in the West doesn’t mean you can’t be a traitor or enemy to it.

[Al Mumtahanah]

Perfectly sums it up.

That was a quote from Donnie Trump on Mexicans after he spent a good time tirading that they're drug-dealing rapists.

Yep I'm aware it's a good analogy for the racism implicit here. I have have seen racists online even defend using the word "nigger" because "some blacks are good, they aren't niggers, I don't mean them."

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

You’ve asked me to justify things, so justify your line of reasoning to me: where did I say that?

Being a citizen in the West doesn’t mean you can’t be a traitor or enemy to it.

The West is a society ruled over by enlightenment values. If you are opposed to the enlightenment, you are a threat to that society. You can live in that society and be working against it.

[Gormwood]

After he rode down from his escalator and descended from his Golden Tower to trash american politics for good.

Like in the simpsons...

Part of me wonders if he saw that episode and decided "I'm gonna do it."

Possible, but he ran mostly to spite Obama after getting served by him at the Correspondents' Dinner.

The closest we have to a President Lisa Simpson to clean up after Donnie bankrupts the U.S. would be Elizabeth Warren. Assuming the Simosons Prophecy comes true in this case as well.

[Crockerland]

Mhm.

Western Civilization=Racist codeword for White Civilization.

It's not even western anymore. Western Civilization has been hijacked by a religion from Southern Palestine called Christianity.

Lol at "Southern Palestine".

Anyways the Christian religions of modern Western Civilization, the Roman Catholic Church and various forms of Protestantism (IE: Baptism, Dutch Reformed, Calvinism) developed in the West, and early Christianity developed in Israel while the Roman Empire, based in Italy, was in control of the land where early Christians lived.

[Nakena]

Mhm.

Western Civilization=Racist codeword for White Civilization.

It's not even western anymore. Western Civilization has been hijacked by a religion from Southern Palestine called Christianity.

How can you even dare to speak such an truth here?

[Vassenor]

The West is a society ruled over by enlightenment values. If you are opposed to the enlightenment, you are a threat to that society. You can live in that society and be working against it.

Religious tolerance is an enlightenment value. By your own logic you are a traitor against the west.

[Gormwood]

That was a quote from Donnie Trump on Mexicans after he spent a good time tirading that they're drug-dealing rapists.

Yep I'm aware it's a good analogy for the racism implicit here. I have have seen racists online even defend using the word "nigger" because "some blacks are good, they aren't niggers, I don't mean them."

The Black Friend Defense.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

The West is a society ruled over by enlightenment values. If you are opposed to the enlightenment, you are a threat to that society. You can live in that society and be working against it.

Religious tolerance is an enlightenment value. By your own logic you are a traitor against the west.

That is correct most of the time, under the context of all religions respecting each other. Islam breaks that agreement. We should not honor a broken contract.

[Ors Might]

Examples?

Like all the people using this thread as an excuse to complain about Islam's very existence.

Odd, I’ve mainly been seeing complaints about all those homosexuals Muslims have been executing recently.

[Al Mumtahanah]

https://quran.com/2/223
"Your wives are a place of sowing of seed for you, so come to your place of cultivation however you wish and put forth [righteousness] for yourselves. And fear Allah and know that you will meet Him. And give good tidings to the believers."


This should be one of the first lessons in the classes on Islam, how Islam promotes and endorses the forcible rape of women. This is not limited to the wives of Muslims, but slaves are also permitted to be raped after being dragged away from their husbands and fathers.


https://quranx.com/Hadith/Muslim/USC-MSA/Book-8/Hadith-3432/
"Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah her pleased with him) reported that at the Battle of Hanain Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace te upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:

" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)" (i. e. they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end)."

https://muflihun.com/muslim/8/3371
"Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger ﷺ mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger ﷺ on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us;
why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Mes- senger ﷺ, and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born."

This is Moses from the Bible: "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

Why aren't you flipping out over Jews and Christians? Indeed while the Qur'an says in court a woman is equal to a male witness, the Bible says female testimony is totally invalid. No one is crying how Jews and Christians are a threat to western civilization.

[Genivaria]

You're really gonna have to demonstrate why anyone should view 'Western Civilization' as a racist codeword comparable to a fucking Nazi swastika.

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So because Steve King and Trump don't know history?

[Genivaria]

https://quran.com/2/223
"Your wives are a place of sowing of seed for you, so come to your place of cultivation however you wish and put forth [righteousness] for yourselves. And fear Allah and know that you will meet Him. And give good tidings to the believers."


This should be one of the first lessons in the classes on Islam, how Islam promotes and endorses the forcible rape of women. This is not limited to the wives of Muslims, but slaves are also permitted to be raped after being dragged away from their husbands and fathers.


https://quranx.com/Hadith/Muslim/USC-MSA/Book-8/Hadith-3432/
"Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah her pleased with him) reported that at the Battle of Hanain Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace te upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:

" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)" (i. e. they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end)."

https://muflihun.com/muslim/8/3371
"Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger ﷺ mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger ﷺ on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us;
why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Mes- senger ﷺ, and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born."

This is Moses from the Bible: "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

Why aren't you flipping out over Jews and Christians? Indeed while the Qur'an says in court a woman is equal to a male witness, the Bible says female testimony is totally invalid. No one is crying how Jews and Christians are a threat to western civilization.

Because this thread topic is about Islam? Nice attempt at a redirection though. 4/10.

[Fartsniffage]

https://quran.com/2/223
"Your wives are a place of sowing of seed for you, so come to your place of cultivation however you wish and put forth [righteousness] for yourselves. And fear Allah and know that you will meet Him. And give good tidings to the believers."


This should be one of the first lessons in the classes on Islam, how Islam promotes and endorses the forcible rape of women. This is not limited to the wives of Muslims, but slaves are also permitted to be raped after being dragged away from their husbands and fathers.


https://quranx.com/Hadith/Muslim/USC-MSA/Book-8/Hadith-3432/
"Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah her pleased with him) reported that at the Battle of Hanain Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace te upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:

" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)" (i. e. they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end)."

https://muflihun.com/muslim/8/3371
"Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger ﷺ mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger ﷺ on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us;
why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Mes- senger ﷺ, and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born."

This is Moses from the Bible: "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

Why aren't you flipping out over Jews and Christians? Indeed while the Qur'an says in court a woman is equal to a male witness, the Bible says female testimony is totally invalid. No one is crying how Jews and Christians are a threat to western civilization.

Because the vast majority of Christians and Jews have moved on and no longer espouse the really unpleasant portions of their mythology. That hasn't happened so much with Islam.

[Ors Might]

https://quran.com/2/223
"Your wives are a place of sowing of seed for you, so come to your place of cultivation however you wish and put forth [righteousness] for yourselves. And fear Allah and know that you will meet Him. And give good tidings to the believers."


This should be one of the first lessons in the classes on Islam, how Islam promotes and endorses the forcible rape of women. This is not limited to the wives of Muslims, but slaves are also permitted to be raped after being dragged away from their husbands and fathers.


https://quranx.com/Hadith/Muslim/USC-MSA/Book-8/Hadith-3432/
"Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah her pleased with him) reported that at the Battle of Hanain Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace te upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:

" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)" (i. e. they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end)."

https://muflihun.com/muslim/8/3371
"Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger ﷺ mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger ﷺ on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us;
why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Mes- senger ﷺ, and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born."

This is Moses from the Bible: "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

Why aren't you flipping out over Jews and Christians? Indeed while the Qur'an says in court a woman is equal to a male witness, the Bible says female testimony is totally invalid. No one is crying how Jews and Christians are a threat to western civilization.

I can break out my criticisms on Judaism and Christianity, if you insist. I’m no friend of those faiths.

[Al Mumtahanah]

The West is a society ruled over by enlightenment values. If you are opposed to the enlightenment, you are a threat to that society. You can live in that society and be working against it.

Enlightenment values that used racism to exclude non whites from benefiting from their humanism. Being against racism and "the white man's burden" would have been called against western values

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

The West is a society ruled over by enlightenment values. If you are opposed to the enlightenment, you are a threat to that society. You can live in that society and be working against it.

Enlightenment values that used racism to exclude non whites from benefiting from their humanism. Being against racism and "the white man's burden" would have been called against western values

And that would have been wrong. The West isn’t perfect, but its methodology means it consistently improves itself. Can’t say the same for a community that’s still debating “Islamic Slavery”.

[Al Mumtahanah]

This is Moses from the Bible: "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

Why aren't you flipping out over Jews and Christians? Indeed while the Qur'an says in court a woman is equal to a male witness, the Bible says female testimony is totally invalid. No one is crying how Jews and Christians are a threat to western civilization.

Because the vast majority of Christians and Jews have moved on and no longer espouse the really unpleasant portions of their mythology. That hasn't happened so much with Islam.

More likely their holy book is so long that a lot of them haven't read most of it.

[Cenomannos infecisse santo Insel]

It's not even western anymore. Western Civilization has been hijacked by a religion from Southern Palestine called Christianity.

Lol at "Southern Palestine".

Anyways the Christian religions of modern Western Civilization, the Roman Catholic Church and various forms of Protestantism (IE: Baptism, Dutch Reformed, Calvinism) developed in the West, and early Christianity developed in Israel while the Roman Empire, based in Italy, was in control of the land where early Christians lived.

It developed in Judea which is in Southern Palestine. There for it is a foreign religion not native to Europe, so if western culture is so dependent on a foreign religion, it can not be called western culture because it is no longer western. The Roman Catholic Church and various forms of Protestantism are still Christian, even if they developed in Europe they are still based on a foreign religion.

[Nakena]

This is Moses from the Bible: "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

Why aren't you flipping out over Jews and Christians? Indeed while the Qur'an says in court a woman is equal to a male witness, the Bible says female testimony is totally invalid. No one is crying how Jews and Christians are a threat to western civilization.

I can break out my criticisms on Judaism and Christianity, if you insist. I’m no friend of those faiths.

I can join you in that if you want.

[Al Mumtahanah]

Enlightenment values that used racism to exclude non whites from benefiting from their humanism. Being against racism and "the white man's burden" would have been called against western values

And that would have been wrong. The West isn’t perfect, but its methodology means it consistently improves itself. Can’t say the same for a community that’s still debating “Islamic Slavery”.

In contrast with western slavery. Muslim States no longer permit slavery though

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

And that would have been wrong. The West isn’t perfect, but its methodology means it consistently improves itself. Can’t say the same for a community that’s still debating “Islamic Slavery”.

In contrast with western slavery. Muslim States no longer permit slavery though

Joy.