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Postby Scherzinger » Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:34 pm

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dont bother its a typical opening move in liberal jujitsu. Again with the made up word crap, love how we arent allowed to be afraid of being killed for being who we are

Are you saying that Muslims are violent killers? You really do seem to be giving off an Islamophobic vibe.

are you saying that the people calling missile strikes on israel, beating women, and stoning gays are peace loving people? choose your words carefully, thats pretty thin ice youre on with that line

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Postby Crockerland » Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:35 pm

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dont bother its a typical opening move in liberal jujitsu. Again with the made up word crap, love how we arent allowed to be afraid of being killed for being who we are

Are you saying that Muslims are violent killers? You really do seem to be giving off an Islamophobic vibe.

Ohhh sorry we offended you with our "vibes", daddy-o!

Islam is hateful, homophobic, backwards garbage though.
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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:35 pm

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Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:There are multiple definitions of treason. For example, leftists commonly call police “class traitors”. Stop playing with definitions.


compassing the death of the sovereign, or of the sovereign's wife or eldest child and heir

violating the sovereign's wife, or the sovereign's eldest unmarried daughter, or the sovereign's eldest son's wife (only if the eldest son is also heir to the throne)

levying war against the sovereign in the realm

adhering to the sovereign's enemies, giving them aid and comfort, in the realm or elsewhere

killing the King's Chancellor, Treasurer (an office long in commission) or Justices


Not seeing anything about being the wrong religion.

Did you know that the English language has colloquial meanings for things? Stop playing dumb, it’s a bad-faith tactic.
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Postby Scherzinger » Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:35 pm

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Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:There are multiple definitions of treason. For example, leftists commonly call police “class traitors”. Stop playing with definitions.


compassing the death of the sovereign, or of the sovereign's wife or eldest child and heir

violating the sovereign's wife, or the sovereign's eldest unmarried daughter, or the sovereign's eldest son's wife (only if the eldest son is also heir to the throne)

levying war against the sovereign in the realm

adhering to the sovereign's enemies, giving them aid and comfort, in the realm or elsewhere

killing the King's Chancellor, Treasurer (an office long in commission) or Justices


Not seeing anything about being the wrong religion.


https://www.alislam.org/book/muhammad-s ... s/treason/

here you are sweetie

additionally "Currently, the consensus among major Islamic schools is that apostasy (leaving Islam) is considered treason and that the penalty is death; this is supported not in the Quran but in hadith."
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:35 pm

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Not seeing anything about being the wrong religion.

Did you know that the English language has colloquial meanings for things? Stop playing dumb, it’s a bad-faith tactic.


So you admit that you're the one playing with definitions?
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:36 pm

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Not seeing anything about being the wrong religion.


https://www.alislam.org/book/muhammad-s ... s/treason/

here you are sweetie


What does that have to do with the definition of treason in law in the United Kingdom?
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Postby Nakena » Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:36 pm

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Not seeing anything about being the wrong religion.


https://www.alislam.org/book/muhammad-s ... s/treason/

here you are sweetie


According to fundamental Islam people who are not believing into Islam (Or christianity or judaism) are considered Kafir.

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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:36 pm

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Al Mumtahanah wrote:And racist say "race traitors"

I’m not saying that, though.

Seems like it. Muslims who are part of the West don't get to be excluded from it just because of your bigotry, they are every bit as western as you are.
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Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby Confederate Norway » Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:36 pm

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Confederate Norway wrote:It is Islamophobia to hate all Muslims and associate all Muslims to violent people, and there are a lot of people who think that all Muslims are monsters.


there are plenty of good people who are of the muslim faith (i hope) i have yet to see any, but i am sure there are. However until those good muslims make up the majority of their religion, the west will continue to see them as mass murderers with nazi-esque ways of life.

I have never seen an violent Muslim in the U.S. The ones I have meet are good people. Also the west does not see them as mass murderers with nazi-esque ways of life, you do.

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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:36 pm

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Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:Did you know that the English language has colloquial meanings for things? Stop playing dumb, it’s a bad-faith tactic.


So you admit that you're the one playing with definitions?

No, I’m the one who’s using a colloquial definition for something, and you’re getting caught up as if I’m going to pursue a lawsuit against them.
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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:38 pm

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According to fundamental Islam people who are not believing into Islam (Or christianity or judaism) are considered Kafir.


Wow no kidding.

Kafir (Arabic: كافر‎ kāfir; plural كَافِرُونَ kāfirūna, كفّار kuffār or كَفَرَة kafarah; feminine كافرة kāfirah; feminine plural كافرات kāfirāt or كوافر kawāfir) is an Arabic term (from the root K-F-R "to cover") meaning "infidel",[1] "rejector",[2] "disbeliever", "unbeliever", "nonbeliever".
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Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:38 pm

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Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:I’m not saying that, though.

Seems like it. Muslims who are part of the West don't get to be excluded from it just because of your bigotry, they are every bit as western as you are.

If you adopt any part of fundamentalist Islam, you are against the west. Do not expect to benefit from it in the future; you are not entitled to what you struggle against.
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Postby Scherzinger » Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:38 pm

Confederate Norway wrote:
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there are plenty of good people who are of the muslim faith (i hope) i have yet to see any, but i am sure there are. However until those good muslims make up the majority of their religion, the west will continue to see them as mass murderers with nazi-esque ways of life.

I have never seen an violent Muslim in the U.S. The ones I have meet are good people. Also the west does not see them as mass murderers with nazi-esque ways of life, you do.


sure its my own opinionated definition but the west does have those views.

havent seen any violent ones hmm? cute. Well until you live my life guess youll never know, socialist ^_^

gonna need to exit here, i have a job that needs doing, i work hard for my money so you can make accusations.

fun talk though
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Postby Confederate Norway » Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:38 pm

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Confederate Norway wrote:Are you saying that Muslims are violent killers? You really do seem to be giving off an Islamophobic vibe.

are you saying that the people calling missile strikes on israel, beating women, and stoning gays are peace loving people? choose your words carefully, thats pretty thin ice youre on with that line

Yet again associating all Muslims to being violent.

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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:38 pm

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Al Mumtahanah wrote:And racist say "race traitors"

I’m not saying that, though.


>traitors against the west

>not saying "race traitors"

Uh-huh. Pull the other one, it rings.
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Postby Scherzinger » Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:39 pm

Confederate Norway wrote:
Scherzinger wrote: are you saying that the people calling missile strikes on israel, beating women, and stoning gays are peace loving people? choose your words carefully, thats pretty thin ice youre on with that line

Yet again associating all Muslims to being violent.


nope, just the ones that are making the religion look bad, but do put words in my mouth iif it fits your narrative

again i gotta get to work, so i need to take my leave here

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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:40 pm

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Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:I’m not saying that, though.


>traitors against the west

>not saying "race traitors"

Uh-huh. Pull the other one, it rings.

You’ve asked me to justify things, so justify your line of reasoning to me: where did I say that?
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Postby Confederate Norway » Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:40 pm

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Confederate Norway wrote:I have never seen an violent Muslim in the U.S. The ones I have meet are good people. Also the west does not see them as mass murderers with nazi-esque ways of life, you do.


sure its my own opinionated definition but the west does have those views.

havent seen any violent ones hmm? cute. Well until you live my life guess youll never know, socialist ^_^

I'm a capitalist and a Conservative. I am just not dumb enough to associate the majority of Muslims to being terrorist.

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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:41 pm

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
Al Mumtahanah wrote:Seems like it. Muslims who are part of the West don't get to be excluded from it just because of your bigotry, they are every bit as western as you are.

If you adopt any part of fundamentalist Islam, you are against the west. Do not expect to benefit from it in the future; you are not entitled to what you struggle against.

What if you are a western Muslim? Let's pretend for a minute that "western" isn't a dogwhistle for "white".
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Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby Confederate Norway » Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:41 pm

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Confederate Norway wrote:Yet again associating all Muslims to being violent.


nope, just the ones that are making the religion look bad, but do put words in my mouth iif it fits your narrative

again i gotta get to work, so i need to take my leave here

Oh I did not see you say you have to get to work, my apologies. Have a safe trip :)

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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:41 pm

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>traitors against the west

>not saying "race traitors"

Uh-huh. Pull the other one, it rings.

Mhm.

Western Civilization=Racist codeword for White Civilization.

It may be used as that, but I’m not using it that way here.
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Postby Jolthig » Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:42 pm

Scherzinger wrote:
Vassenor wrote:


Not seeing anything about being the wrong religion.


https://www.alislam.org/book/muhammad-s ... s/treason/

here you are sweetie

additionally "Currently, the consensus among major Islamic schools is that apostasy (leaving Islam) is considered treason and that the penalty is death; this is supported not in the Quran but in hadith."

I find it interesting that you quote a source from my community. Please note my community does not support any of the nonsense and false allegations you have said on this forum.

Also you should note that the "Treason" chapter is part of a three volume book collection on the life of Muhammad which I also personally possess. That chapter explains quite well why the men of the Banu Qurazya were executed and why your allegations backfire especially when using a citation from a book that is meant to debunk your allegations.
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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:43 pm

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Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:It may be used as that, but I’m not using it that way here.

Indeed but Swastikas have the same equivalence in situation in this regard and we have the sense to not use them.

Unfortunately for you, words are not black and white. I can feel free to argue for the West without arguing for an ethnostate, and that is exactly what I am doing.
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Gormwood wrote:"And some, I assume, are good people." Sounds familiar.

Perfectly sums it up.

That was a quote from Donnie Trump on Mexicans after he spent a good time tirading that they're drug-dealing rapists.
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Postby Nakena » Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:44 pm

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Al Mumtahanah wrote:Perfectly sums it up.

That was a quote from Donnie Trump on Mexicans after he spent a good time tirading that they're drug-dealing rapists.


After he rode down from his escalator and descended from his Golden Tower to trash american politics for good.

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