Classes on Islam should be mandatory, UK teachers say

[The Grims]

So basically people are getting upset that kids are being taught that Islam isn't the greatest evil in the history of the world?

And sometimes that the kids participate in prayer during a visit to the mosque. Seperated by gender of course.

[Fartsniffage]

I wouldn’t want my children to visit a mosque, or a Christian Church, either. I really don’t see why it’s necessary to have field trips to religious institutions as a part of that class

Visiting cathedrals is fucking cool. They're full of weird carvings, tombs, and other cool old shit.

[United Muscovite Nations]

So basically people are getting upset that kids are being taught that Islam isn't the greatest evil in the history of the world?

And sometimes that the kids participate in prayer during a visit to the mosque. Seperated by gender of course.

I don't like having kids participate in religious rites for mandatory RE classes because the might violate their own religion's tenets (for example, my religion forbids prayer with non-Christians), but I don't object to students attending religious services to observe them.

[Al Mumtahanah]

So basically people are getting upset that kids are being taught that Islam isn't the greatest evil in the history of the world?

And sometimes that the kids participate in prayer during a visit to the mosque. Seperated by gender of course.

Gender separation at mosque is about making sure you're totally focused on prayer and your attention doesn't wander, it has nothing to do with sexism.

[Wallenburg]

So basically people are getting upset that kids are being taught that Islam isn't the greatest evil in the history of the world?

And sometimes that the kids participate in prayer during a visit to the mosque. Seperated by gender of course.

Source?

[Ifreann]

There is a world beyond the island of Great Britain. It would be a shame not to teach children about it.

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Understanding the world we live in is obviously important.

Sure, but from a religious stand point or dogma not so much.

Muslims are part of the world we live in. Don't you think it is a benefit to have some understanding of Islam?

[Vassenor]

And sometimes that the kids participate in prayer during a visit to the mosque. Seperated by gender of course.

Gender separation at mosque is about making sure you're totally focused on prayer and your attention doesn't wander, it has nothing to do with sexism.

Implying that members of gender group A cannot concentrate in the presence of members of gender group B is pretty damn sexist.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Gender separation at mosque is about making sure you're totally focused on prayer and your attention doesn't wander, it has nothing to do with sexism.

Implying that members of gender group A cannot concentrate in the presence of members of gender group B is pretty damn sexist.

There's some truth to it, especially for young men.

[Vassenor]

Implying that members of gender group A cannot concentrate in the presence of members of gender group B is pretty damn sexist.

There's some truth to it, especially for young men.

Your misandry is showing.

[United Muscovite Nations]

There's some truth to it, especially for young men.

Your misandry is showing.

No, my personal experience of being a man is showing.

[Wallenburg]

Implying that members of gender group A cannot concentrate in the presence of members of gender group B is pretty damn sexist.

There's some truth to it, especially for young men.

I don't know about you, but all through adolescence I could stay focused without mentally masturbating to the nearest woman in the room.

[Dooom35796821595]

So basically people are getting upset that kids are being taught that Islam isn't the greatest evil in the history of the world?

And sometimes that the kids participate in prayer during a visit to the mosque. Seperated by gender of course.

Religious education shouldn’t involve participation in the heretical rituals of the religions they’re learning about, be it Islam, Christianity, Buddhism or anything else.

[The New California Republic]

Yup. But in my experience many moons ago I found that many of the students treated R.E. classes as playtime.

As I recall -- longer ago than I'd like to admit -- that could definitely be true. But I think it's better that students at least have the opportunity to learn about these things -- rather than believing what they're told about humanists, Muslims, Christians, Jewish people, etc. by parents and civic/religious leaders.

Maybe how R.E. is taught needs to change. I'm not sure if that's the root of the disinterest though.

[Al Mumtahanah]

Gender separation at mosque is about making sure you're totally focused on prayer and your attention doesn't wander, it has nothing to do with sexism.

Implying that members of gender group A cannot concentrate in the presence of members of gender group B is pretty damn sexist.

It applies to both groups. Most mosques separate them by a screen or a wall.

[Al Mumtahanah]

There's some truth to it, especially for young men.

I don't know about you, but all through adolescence I could stay focused without mentally masturbating to the nearest woman in the room.

Prayer is expected to have much more focus than that needed for study.

[Grinning Dragon]

Sure, but from a religious stand point or dogma not so much.

Muslims are part of the world we live in. Don't you think it is a benefit to have some understanding of Islam?

Honestly, not really. Knowing or not knowing tenets of the various flavors of religion isn't really all that important in day to day life.

[Inkopolitia]

Fuck no. Schools should be secular and teach secular things, not the other way around. Maybe, like, just clump all major religions in one single "Religion" subject and teach about them in that single subject without having religious ideals spill over to what students should be thinking about?

Then again, I don't see why the OP is comparing making Islam classes mandatory to making LGBT-related classes mandatory. The former is about a religion when secularity is clearly the best option, and the second is actually the issues that millions of people faced (And still face, in Islamic countries!) just because of their sexuality.

[Al Mumtahanah]

Fuck no. Schools should be secular and teach secular things, not the other way around. Maybe, like, just clump all major religions in one single "Religion" subject and teach about them in that single subject without having religious ideals spill over to what students should be thinking about?

Then again, I don't see why the OP is comparing making Islam classes mandatory to making LGBT-related classes mandatory. The former is about a religion when secularity is clearly the best option, and the second is actually the issues that millions of people faced (And still face, in Islamic countries!) just because of their sexuality.

Teaching religion violates secularity, teaching ABOUT religion does not.

[Inkopolitia]

Fuck no. Schools should be secular and teach secular things, not the other way around. Maybe, like, just clump all major religions in one single "Religion" subject and teach about them in that single subject without having religious ideals spill over to what students should be thinking about?

Then again, I don't see why the OP is comparing making Islam classes mandatory to making LGBT-related classes mandatory. The former is about a religion when secularity is clearly the best option, and the second is actually the issues that millions of people faced (And still face, in Islamic countries!) just because of their sexuality.

Teaching religion violates secularity, teaching ABOUT religion does not.

Then why make a single, exclusive Islam clas to teach exclusively about Islam? No, that's a stupid idea. Just make a single religion class where the big religions can be teached about. The school system is failed and already has useless subjects, why make 1 more useless subject?

[Rojava Free State]

How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to? Knowing about Islam isn't necessary for any job other than being an imam, and this is the kind of stuff that only makes people more resentful and makes hostilities worse. But if this is the game that's gonna be played, I think it ought to be fair.

Imagine if Muslim kids were forced to take classes on atheism. You can't opt out, and it will count for 20% of your grade. Failure to pass the class will equal failure to pass school and you'll be held back in your freshmen year of high school until you pass. Let's see how long it takes before the outrage starts, because there's clearly a one way street here and it's the same one way street as always. (Certaim) muslim Europeans demand that non Muslim Europeans completely change their lifestyles to fit what they deem acceptable and to "respect islam," but heaven forbid someone tell them to change their ways even a little bit to please the native people of the country. No one is forcing Muslims to take a full scale class on christianity. Why not return the favor and not force people to take a class on islam, which I'm more than certain will be nothing but propaganda about how Islam is a religion of peace and totally never has called for violence and hate. You wanna be muslim? GO ahead. But don't you dare force me to conform to your demands.

[Vassenor]

Fuck no. Schools should be secular and teach secular things, not the other way around. Maybe, like, just clump all major religions in one single "Religion" subject and teach about them in that single subject without having religious ideals spill over to what students should be thinking about?

That's already how RE lessons work.

[Necroghastia]

Teaching religion violates secularity, teaching ABOUT religion does not.

Then why make a single, exclusive Islam clas to teach exclusively about Islam? No, that's a stupid idea. Just make a single religion class where the big religions can be teached about. The school system is failed and already has useless subjects, why make 1 more useless subject?

Did you read the OP?

[Inkopolitia]

Fuck no. Schools should be secular and teach secular things, not the other way around. Maybe, like, just clump all major religions in one single "Religion" subject and teach about them in that single subject without having religious ideals spill over to what students should be thinking about?

That's already how RE lessons work.

That's good and all, but IMO, making a separate subject for a religion, when it could perfectly be cramped into the Religion subject, is useless.

[Rojava Free State]

Implying that members of gender group A cannot concentrate in the presence of members of gender group B is pretty damn sexist.

It applies to both groups. Most mosques separate them by a screen or a wall.

Nice. Instead of dehumanizing one gender or another, you dehumanized every one

[The Grims]

Teaching religion violates secularity, teaching ABOUT religion does not.

Then why make a single, exclusive Islam clas to teach exclusively about Islam? No, that's a stupid idea. Just make a single religion class where the big religions can be teached about. The school system is failed and already has useless subjects, why make 1 more useless subject?

You did not read anything, did you ?
There is a general course about world religions. Parents however keep their children at home during the classes about Islam.