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ICE Has Wrongly Detained Nearly 1,500 US Citizens Since 2012

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ICE Has Wrongly Detained Nearly 1,500 US Citizens Since 2012

Postby The Federated Soviets of North America » Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:58 pm

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la- ... story.html

Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents repeatedly target U.S. citizens for deportation by mistake, making wrongful arrests based on incomplete government records, bad data and lax investigations, according to a Times review of federal lawsuits, internal ICE documents and interviews.

Since 2012, ICE has released from its custody more than 1,480 people after investigating their citizenship claims, according to agency figures. And a Times review of Department of Justice records and interviews with immigration attorneys uncovered hundreds of additional cases in the country’s immigration courts in which people were forced to prove they are Americans and sometimes spent months or even years in detention.

Victims include a landscaper snatched in a Home Depot parking lot in Rialto and held for days despite his son’s attempts to show agents the man’s U.S. passport; a New York resident locked up for more than three years fighting deportation efforts after a federal agent mistook his father for someone who wasn’t a U.S. citizen; and a Rhode Island housekeeper mistakenly targeted twice, resulting in her spending a night in prison the second time even though her husband had brought her U.S. passport to a court hearing.

They and others described the panic and feeling of powerlessness that set in as agents took them into custody without explanation and ignored their claims of citizenship.

As mentioned in both the title and quote, Immigration Control and Enforcement has wrongly held at least 1,480 American citizens in it's custody during the past 7 years, and those are only the ones who were able to prove their citizenship; It is not only possible, but highly likely that numerous more were deported before they could prove their citizenship.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:05 pm

Do we have a year-by-year breakdown? Because you have to wonder if the rate spiked after the Trump regime started pushing for more detentions in general.
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Postby Purgatio » Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:08 pm

This is gonna be used as an argument to smear ICE as a whole or argue for curtailing ICE's powers or, if you're AOC, abolishing ICE altogether. However, given any law enforcement agency is not omniscient and cannot read minds, it is inherent in any law enforcement process that some innocent people will be caught up in the process. That doesn't mean the process itself is wrong or immoral. In the absent of an omniscient system, any criminal investigation will, necessarily, sometimes involve the investigation of persons who are innocent of the crime in question, but its not a reason to do away with that process or the investigation that is required for the vindication of the rule of law.
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Postby The Federated Soviets of North America » Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:09 pm

Vassenor wrote:Do we have a year-by-year breakdown? Because you have to wonder if the rate spiked after the Trump regime started pushing for more detentions in general.

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Postby The Federated Soviets of North America » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:00 pm

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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:01 pm

Purgatio wrote:This is gonna be used as an argument to smear ICE as a whole or argue for curtailing ICE's powers or, if you're AOC, abolishing ICE altogether. However, given any law enforcement agency is not omniscient and cannot read minds, it is inherent in any law enforcement process that some innocent people will be caught up in the process. That doesn't mean the process itself is wrong or immoral. In the absent of an omniscient system, any criminal investigation will, necessarily, sometimes involve the investigation of persons who are innocent of the crime in question, but its not a reason to do away with that process or the investigation that is required for the vindication of the rule of law.

So why can't ICE's "duties" be performed by other cops?
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Postby Gagium » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:03 pm

Weren’t there a few other threads for stuff like this?
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Postby Kowani » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:04 pm

Gagium wrote:Weren’t there a few other threads for stuff like this?

We need a general “ICE Fucked up again” thread.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:19 pm

Pretty cool how America tolerates a seemingly unaccountable police force that demands people's papers and locks them up regardless.
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Postby Scomagia » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:25 pm

Kowani wrote:
Gagium wrote:Weren’t there a few other threads for stuff like this?

We need a general “ICE Fucked up again” thread.

No. We don't need more megathreads.

And anyway, this is all very unsurprising. Law Enforcement at all levels in the US is less than transparent, it isn't just ICE. Nor is ICE's incompetence a secret plot of the Trump regime to oppress brown people since they've been at it for quite a while.
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