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by Vanyalonde » Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:25 pm
by Abaja » Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:02 am
by New haven america » Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:05 am
Abaja wrote:The Alma Mater wrote:
Your line of reaoning is "if person A commits suicide, I (person B) will feel bad. Therefor person A should not be allowed to do so".
That is purely selfish.
Wow. The way you look at it is absolutely distorted. I'm literally saying that if a person is feeling suicidal then we should take steps in resolving that issue. You can keep misunderstanding me if you want. But that isn't selfish.
by N7eternia » Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:05 am
by Page » Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:19 am
Abaja wrote:The Alma Mater wrote:
Your line of reaoning is "if person A commits suicide, I (person B) will feel bad. Therefor person A should not be allowed to do so".
That is purely selfish.
Wow. The way you look at it is absolutely distorted. I'm literally saying that if a person is feeling suicidal then we should take steps in resolving that issue. You can keep misunderstanding me if you want. But that isn't selfish.
by Thepeopl » Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:58 am
by Highever » Tue Jul 30, 2019 4:14 am
Jolthig wrote:Use Soresu and not Juyo.
Charlie Chaplin wrote:Nothing is permanent in this wicked world, not even our troubles.
by Ard al Islam » Tue Jul 30, 2019 5:05 am
by The New California Republic » Tue Jul 30, 2019 5:07 am
by Ard al Islam » Tue Jul 30, 2019 5:37 am
by The New California Republic » Tue Jul 30, 2019 5:46 am
by Highever » Tue Jul 30, 2019 6:39 am
Jolthig wrote:Use Soresu and not Juyo.
Charlie Chaplin wrote:Nothing is permanent in this wicked world, not even our troubles.
by Elwher » Tue Jul 30, 2019 7:40 am
by United Civil Republic » Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:50 am
Highever wrote:United Civil Republic wrote:Suicide should not be allowed, for the same reason that assisted suicide is considered murder. That is exactly what it is.
So...what you are going to apply criminal penalties to those who attempt suicide and throw them in prison or something? Yeah that will for sure change their mindset and make them realize that they have so much to live for.
by United Civil Republic » Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:53 am
by Purgatio » Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:55 am
United Civil Republic wrote:Highever wrote:So...what you are going to apply criminal penalties to those who attempt suicide and throw them in prison or something? Yeah that will for sure change their mindset and make them realize that they have so much to live for.
Actually, a good lawyer would be able to pull insanity and get him into a rehab/hospital.
by United Civil Republic » Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:58 am
Estanglia wrote:United Civil Republic wrote:Suicide should not be allowed, for the same reason that assisted suicide is considered murder. That is exactly what it is.
1) Whether or not assisted suicide is considered murder depends upon the country.
2) How can you murder yourself?
3) How are you gonna punish people who commit suicide? Throw their corpse in jail for the rest of their death?
by Neanderthaland » Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:59 am
by United Civil Republic » Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:04 am
Purgatio wrote:United Civil Republic wrote:
Actually, a good lawyer would be able to pull insanity and get him into a rehab/hospital.
Unless you live in a particularly unique legal jurisdiction, 'insanity' appears to be one of the most misunderstood legal defences by the layman in the whole of criminal law. Insanity doesn't cover anyone with does something because they have a mental disorder of some kind. It only applies, very strictly, to a tiny, narrow strip of cases where the mental disorder meant the perpetrator did not understand the nature or quality of the act, or was mentally-incapable of appreciating the act's criminality. For example, your schizophrenia meant that when you sliced the guy's neck you believed you were slicing bread. It's an extremely-exceptional defence that won't apply to the overwhelming-majority of crimes committed by a mentally-ill person.
by Purgatio » Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:07 am
United Civil Republic wrote:Purgatio wrote:
Unless you live in a particularly unique legal jurisdiction, 'insanity' appears to be one of the most misunderstood legal defences by the layman in the whole of criminal law. Insanity doesn't cover anyone with does something because they have a mental disorder of some kind. It only applies, very strictly, to a tiny, narrow strip of cases where the mental disorder meant the perpetrator did not understand the nature or quality of the act, or was mentally-incapable of appreciating the act's criminality. For example, your schizophrenia meant that when you sliced the guy's neck you believed you were slicing bread. It's an extremely-exceptional defence that won't apply to the overwhelming-majority of crimes committed by a mentally-ill person.
Clinical Depression, a mental disorder, is known to cloud judgement and that those suffering from it can often have a hard time distinguishing between right and wrong.
According to an offical definition: Insanity defense. The insanity defense, also known as the mental disorder defense, is an affirmative defense by excuse in a criminal case, arguing that the defendant is not responsible for his or her actions due to an episodic or persistent psychiatric disease at the time of the criminal act.
Therefore, Clinical depression is an episodic psychiatric disease is known to cloud judgement and create a hard time distinguishing between right and wrong. Ofgfically making it a insanity case.
by N7eternia » Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:10 am
Neanderthaland wrote:About BDSM or suicide?
Look, there are suicidal people whose issue stems from mental illness, but you can't just categorically say that everyone who is suicidal is mentally ill. There are plenty of medical conditions, for instance, that warrant wanting to end one's life before suffering becomes unbearable, or one's mental facilities collapse.
by United Civil Republic » Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:14 am
Purgatio wrote:United Civil Republic wrote:
Clinical Depression, a mental disorder, is known to cloud judgement and that those suffering from it can often have a hard time distinguishing between right and wrong.
According to an offical definition: Insanity defense. The insanity defense, also known as the mental disorder defense, is an affirmative defense by excuse in a criminal case, arguing that the defendant is not responsible for his or her actions due to an episodic or persistent psychiatric disease at the time of the criminal act.
Therefore, Clinical depression is an episodic psychiatric disease is known to cloud judgement and create a hard time distinguishing between right and wrong. Ofgfically making it a insanity case.
That's not true at all, the mentally-ill person not knowing their behaviour is 'wrong' doesn't mean you believed your actions were morally or ethically justified, you have to be incompatent or incapable of appreciating the criminal or legally-prohibited character of your act, see the UK judgment of R v. Johnson
by United Civil Republic » Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:18 am
N7eternia wrote:Neanderthaland wrote:About BDSM or suicide?
Look, there are suicidal people whose issue stems from mental illness, but you can't just categorically say that everyone who is suicidal is mentally ill. There are plenty of medical conditions, for instance, that warrant wanting to end one's life before suffering becomes unbearable, or one's mental facilities collapse.
This is definitely one of the biggest misinformed perceptions that people could have about suicide. It's literally not just the mentally ill. I hope this stigma breaks sooner.
by Neanderthaland » Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:20 am
United Civil Republic wrote:N7eternia wrote:
This is definitely one of the biggest misinformed perceptions that people could have about suicide. It's literally not just the mentally ill. I hope this stigma breaks sooner.
Other then extreme cases of bullying and depression. Please inform me cases in which suicides are routinely attempted. I would prefer to not hear exceptions to the rule.(Things that don't occur often.)
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