"My Body, My Choice!": Should it Extend to Suicide?

[Hurdergaryp]

If God doesn't allow it, why does it happen? A simple question, really. Also: is it not true that nothing happens without God willing it?

There is sin in the world.

And therefore it can be concluded that God wants sin to be in the world, because otherwise it wouldn't be there.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

We both know the Christian God doesn’t exist. Even if he did, where can you support this in the Bible?

“Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.” 1 Corinthians 6:19-20

If God doesn't allow it, why does it happen? A simple question, really. Also: is it not true that nothing happens without God willing it?

There is sin in the world.

The verse you cited is super vague, and may be counteracted by all the times in the Bible that God promises to torture his victims.

[Fascist Soyouso]

That's normal for the time of the season, when the NationStates Summer newbies manifest themselves with the intention to score the maximum amount of EdgeLord points. Hell, the OP even has the word 'fascist' in his name, for it is so very important to profoundly manifest yourself to the fullest extent.

OP is literally arguing for bodily sovereignty and individual self-determination. Not exactly fascist or authoritarian.

Jokes on the both of you. I actually am a fascist OOC, I just don't support restricting freedoms for stupid reasons and don't give a shit about race. My most controversial opinion is that benevolent dictatorship is possible. I'm not a summer kid either. I've been an NSer for 6 years, just made a new main after a hiatus.

[Geneviev]

There is sin in the world.

And therefore it can be concluded that God wants sin to be in the world, because otherwise it wouldn't be there.

No, it's because people brought sin into the world.

“Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.” 1 Corinthians 6:19-20


There is sin in the world.

The verse you cited is super vague, and may be counteracted by all the times in the Bible that God promises to torture his victims.

That doesn't have anything to do with the actions of people, though.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

And therefore it can be concluded that God wants sin to be in the world, because otherwise it wouldn't be there.

No, it's because people brought sin into the world.

The verse you cited is super vague, and may be counteracted by all the times in the Bible that God promises to torture his victims.

That doesn't have anything to do with the actions of people, though.

So it’s okay for God to make people want to die (e.g. Job), but acting on what God makes them want to do is sinful? That really activates my almonds.

[Godular]

And therefore it can be concluded that God wants sin to be in the world, because otherwise it wouldn't be there.

No, it's because people brought sin into the world.

If it's possible, then it was part of the plan.

[Geneviev]

No, it's because people brought sin into the world.


That doesn't have anything to do with the actions of people, though.

So it’s okay for God to make people want to die (e.g. Job), but acting on what God makes them want to do is sinful? That really activates my almonds.

God doesn't make people want to die.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

So it’s okay for God to make people want to die (e.g. Job), but acting on what God makes them want to do is sinful? That really activates my almonds.

God doesn't make people want to die.

Have you read the book of Job?

[Geneviev]

God doesn't make people want to die.

Have you read the book of Job?

Of course I did. It was the devil who tested Job.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

Have you read the book of Job?

Of course I did. It was the devil who tested Job.

After God permitted it. God knew what was going to happen and had power over Satan, so he caused Job to want to die.

[Geneviev]

Of course I did. It was the devil who tested Job.

After God permitted it. God knew what was going to happen and had power over Satan, so he caused Job to want to die.

He knew that he would reward Job.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

After God permitted it. God knew what was going to happen and had power over Satan, so he caused Job to want to die.

He knew that he would reward Job.

But he made Job want to die.

[Geneviev]

He knew that he would reward Job.

But he made Job want to die.

It wasn't because of him.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

But he made Job want to die.

It wasn't because of him.

He literally made a bet with the devil over it.

[Geneviev]

It wasn't because of him.

He literally made a bet with the devil over it.

He allowed the devil to make Job want to die. God didn't do that.

[Godular]

He literally made a bet with the devil over it.

He allowed the devil to make Job want to die. God didn't do that.

The devil's actions are part of God's will. As such, they are also God's responsibility.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

He literally made a bet with the devil over it.

He allowed the devil to make Job want to die. God didn't do that.

I made a robot to stab people in the face, and I allowed him to stab someone in the face. It’s okay, though, because I didn’t stab them in the face.

[Geneviev]

He allowed the devil to make Job want to die. God didn't do that.

The devil's actions are part of God's will. As such, they are also God's responsibility.

The devil's actions are the opposite of God's will.

He allowed the devil to make Job want to die. God didn't do that.

I made a robot to stab people in the face, and I allowed him to stab someone in the face. It’s okay, though, because I didn’t stab them in the face.

You know that's different.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

The devil's actions are part of God's will. As such, they are also God's responsibility.

The devil's actions are the opposite of God's will.

Then why did God create him, and can the devil do anything God wasn’t expecting?

[The New California Republic]

He literally made a bet with the devil over it.

He allowed the devil to make Job want to die. God didn't do that.

There is a principle in law whereby something can be "too distant" in the chain of events for blame to be attributed. However, God's actions in this case are not too distant for blame to be attributed to God.

[Geneviev]

The devil's actions are the opposite of God's will.

Then why did God create him, and can the devil do anything God wasn’t expecting?

God didn't intend for him to rebel and just because he knows what the devil will do, he doesn't agree.

[Godular]

The devil's actions are part of God's will. As such, they are also God's responsibility.

The devil's actions are the opposite of God's will.

No, no they are not. The Devil was created according to God's will, the Devil acts in accordance to God's will, and as such the Devil's existence and actions are God's responsibility/fault. Trying to say that the Devil acts outside of God's purview is actually a rather fundamental heresy, if I understand certain dogma correctly.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

Then why did God create him, and can the devil do anything God wasn’t expecting?

God didn't intend for him to rebel and just because he knows what the devil will do, he doesn't agree.

Then God isn’t omnipotent. Isn’t that contradictory with what the Bible says?

[Geneviev]

God didn't intend for him to rebel and just because he knows what the devil will do, he doesn't agree.

Then God isn’t omnipotent. Isn’t that contradictory with what the Bible says?

He is omnipotent.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

Then God isn’t omnipotent. Isn’t that contradictory with what the Bible says?

He is omnipotent.

But he can’t know what the devil is going to do. That’s something he can’t do.