Should the Electoral College be abolished?

[San Lumen]

Clinton would have been far better than Trump by a long shot. Can we please not rehash 2016 again? We were talking about the purpose of the electoral college

If you want a President who gets impeached on their first day in office.

But fact is the electoral college in 2016 had quite a few faithless electors of people who seemed to realize that both choices for public office in 2016 were unsuited for the role of President.

Yeah ok. That would have gone over real big.

Its a shame more weren't faithless and chose party over country.

[Telconi]

And considering the 2016 election the election choices were two candidates who ideally shouldn't be anywhere near public office...

Clinton would have been far better than Trump by a long shot.

Fucking lol.

Can we please not rehash 2016 again? We were talking about the purpose of the electoral college

The 2016 election outcome is pretty closely related to the subject.

[Telconi]

If you want a President who gets impeached on their first day in office.

But fact is the electoral college in 2016 had quite a few faithless electors of people who seemed to realize that both choices for public office in 2016 were unsuited for the role of President.

Yeah ok. That would have gone over real big.

Its a shame more weren't faithless and chose party over country.

You keep going with this whole "party over country" line, and yet Inhaven't seen any evidence that anyone does this.

[San Lumen]

Yeah ok. That would have gone over real big.

Its a shame more weren't faithless and chose party over country.

You keep going with this whole "party over country" line, and yet Inhaven't seen any evidence that anyone does this.

Not my problem if you can;'t see what's happening every day.

[Telconi]

You keep going with this whole "party over country" line, and yet Inhaven't seen any evidence that anyone does this.

Not my problem if you can;'t see what's happening every day.

But it is your problem when you make up lies to tell about people.

[The Lone Alliance]

Yeah ok. That would have gone over real big.

Its a shame more weren't faithless and chose party over country.

You keep going with this whole "party over country" line, and yet Inhaven't seen any evidence that anyone does this.

If the electoral college had truly chosen "Country over party" then both parties would have been pissed at the result cause that likely meant they'd have rejected both Clinton and Trump.

Which I'm guessing would have been Colin Powell considering he was the most common faithless vote.

[Telconi]

You keep going with this whole "party over country" line, and yet Inhaven't seen any evidence that anyone does this.

If the electoral college had truly chosen "Country over party" then both parties would have been pissed at the result cause that likely meant they'd have rejected both Clinton and Trump.

How do you know?

[The Lone Alliance]

If the electoral college had truly chosen "Country over party" then both parties would have been pissed at the result cause that likely meant they'd have rejected both Clinton and Trump.

How do you know?

If you look at the negative arguments about both of the major candidates and the sheer amount of hatred both sides had towards either of them the easiest way to get around the hatred and division would have been to tell both sides to pound sand and pick neither candidate.

Of course one bad outcome would be that it'd cause the Trump and Clinton side to unite in hatred towards whoever got in, in which case that might actually be the best outcome because at least the country would be united.

I'd really pity whoever got chosen though because they would likely go down in history as the most hated president in history, no one would respect them and everyone would know they got in undemocratically and that'd likely ruin whatever plans they could have of serving as an effective president.

[Telconi]

How do you know?

If you look at the negative arguments about both of the major candidates and the sheer amount of hatred both sides had towards either of them the easiest way to get around the hatred and division would have been to tell both sides to pound sand and pick neither candidate.

The worst outcome would be that it'd cause the Trump and Clinton side to unite in hatred towards whoever got in, in which case that might actually be the best outcome because at least the country would be united.

I'd really pity whoever got chosen though because they would likely go down in history as the most hated president in history.

You don't think the electors perhaps saw such a situation as bad for the country?

[San Lumen]

How do you know?

If you look at the negative arguments about both of the major candidates and the sheer amount of hatred both sides had towards either of them the easiest way to get around the hatred and division would have been to tell both sides to pound sand and pick neither candidate.

Of course one bad outcome would be that it'd cause the Trump and Clinton side to unite in hatred towards whoever got in, in which case that might actually be the best outcome because at least the country would be united.

I'd really pity whoever got chosen though because they would likely go down in history as the most hated president in history, no one would respect them and everyone would know they got in undemocratically and that'd likely ruin whatever plans they could have of serving as an effective president.

And the electoral college would be within their rights to do that. I would have loved to see the electoral college overturn the result and the chaos that would have ensued in the Republican party

[San Lumen]

If you look at the negative arguments about both of the major candidates and the sheer amount of hatred both sides had towards either of them the easiest way to get around the hatred and division would have been to tell both sides to pound sand and pick neither candidate.

The worst outcome would be that it'd cause the Trump and Clinton side to unite in hatred towards whoever got in, in which case that might actually be the best outcome because at least the country would be united.

I'd really pity whoever got chosen though because they would likely go down in history as the most hated president in history.

You don't think the electors perhaps saw such a situation as bad for the country?

It would have been doing their job instead of choosing party over country

[Pacomia]

If the College gives a Democrat a win in 2020, I bet a bunch of Democrats are going to be talking about how great the EC is and that there's no reason to reform it and the Republicans are going to be the one trying to get rid of it.

[Telconi]

You don't think the electors perhaps saw such a situation as bad for the country?

It would have been doing their job instead of choosing party over country

They did do their job, and the only "evidence" they put their party over country is you repeatedly saying it, which isn't evidence.

[The Lone Alliance]

If you look at the negative arguments about both of the major candidates and the sheer amount of hatred both sides had towards either of them the easiest way to get around the hatred and division would have been to tell both sides to pound sand and pick neither candidate.

The worst outcome would be that it'd cause the Trump and Clinton side to unite in hatred towards whoever got in, in which case that might actually be the best outcome because at least the country would be united.

I'd really pity whoever got chosen though because they would likely go down in history as the most hated president in history.

You don't think the electors perhaps saw such a situation as bad for the country?

It's more like we'd end up with the same situation we have today except the crowds screaming "NO MY PRESIDENT" would be more politically diverse.

Foreign policy would still be a mess because in this case other countries would see the President as an empty suit appointed by Congress.

And the economy would likely be worse.

Oh and people on both sides would be wanting to ban the Electoral college.

[San Lumen]

If the College gives a Democrat a win in 2020, I bet a bunch of Democrats are going to be talking about how great the EC is and that there's no reason to reform it and the Republicans are going to be the one trying to get rid of it.

It would be great to see both parties unite to get rid of it. Its undemocratic and unfair and violates one man one vote.

[Telconi]

You don't think the electors perhaps saw such a situation as bad for the country?

It's more like we'd end up with the same situation we have today except the crowds screaming "NO MY PRESIDENT" would be more politically diverse.

Foreign policy would still be a mess because in this case other countries would see the President as an empty suit appointed by Congress.

And the economy would likely be worse.

So, bear with me for a moment, would it be possible that the electors picked the best choice, as they saw it, for their country?

[Telconi]

If the College gives a Democrat a win in 2020, I bet a bunch of Democrats are going to be talking about how great the EC is and that there's no reason to reform it and the Republicans are going to be the one trying to get rid of it.

It would be great to see both parties unite to get rid of it. Its undemocratic and unfair and violates one man one vote.

Plenty of people don't care.

[San Lumen]

It's more like we'd end up with the same situation we have today except the crowds screaming "NO MY PRESIDENT" would be more politically diverse.

Foreign policy would still be a mess because in this case other countries would see the President as an empty suit appointed by Congress.

And the economy would likely be worse.

So, bear with me for a moment, would it be possible that the electors picked the best choice, as they saw it, for their country?

Electors are picked for their blind loyalty to the party not because they will pick the best person. It defeats the whole purpose of the electoral college. It was meant to be a check on the people.

[The Lone Alliance]

It's more like we'd end up with the same situation we have today except the crowds screaming "NO MY PRESIDENT" would be more politically diverse.

Foreign policy would still be a mess because in this case other countries would see the President as an empty suit appointed by Congress.

And the economy would likely be worse.

So, bear with me for a moment, would it be possible that the electors picked the best choice, as they saw it, for their country?

It's more like they went with the simplest choice at the time.

It was simpler to suck it up and go with Trump and accept the consequences, over finding some third choice and accepting those consequences, or picking Clinton and accepting those consequences.

[Telconi]

So, bear with me for a moment, would it be possible that the electors picked the best choice, as they saw it, for their country?

It's more like they went with the simplest choice at the time.

It was simpler to suck it up and go with Trump and accept the consequences, over finding some third choice and accepting those consequences, or picking Clinton and accepting those consequences.

The simplest choice is often the best one.

[Telconi]

So, bear with me for a moment, would it be possible that the electors picked the best choice, as they saw it, for their country?

Electors are picked for their blind loyalty to the party not because they will pick the best person. It defeats the whole purpose of the electoral college. It was meant to be a check on the people.

So they likely thought Trump was the best choice huh?

[The Lone Alliance]

It's more like they went with the simplest choice at the time.

It was simpler to suck it up and go with Trump and accept the consequences, over finding some third choice and accepting those consequences, or picking Clinton and accepting those consequences.

The simplest choice is often the best one.

It was Trump who had the highest EC and thus the legit vote.... but was hated by Clinton supporters.
Or Clinton who had the highest PV by a small percentage but is hated by Trump supporters.

Or trying to find some super centrist third person that everyone in the EC could agree on.

So it'd end up sticking someone like an American Macron in office.... and I can't see that working out too well either.

[Telconi]

The simplest choice is often the best one.

It was Trump who had the highest EC and thus the legit vote.... but was hated by Clinton supporters.
Or Clinton who had the highest PV by a small percentage but is hated by Trump supporters.

Or trying to find some super centrist third person that everyone in the EC could agree on.

So it'd end up sticking someone like an American Macron in office.... and I can't see that working out too well either.

So, back to the original question, is it possible the electors believed Trump to be the best choice?

[San Lumen]

It was Trump who had the highest EC and thus the legit vote.... but was hated by Clinton supporters.
Or Clinton who had the highest PV by a small percentage but is hated by Trump supporters.

Or trying to find some super centrist third person that everyone in the EC could agree on.

So it'd end up sticking someone like an American Macron in office.... and I can't see that working out too well either.

So, back to the original question, is it possible the electors believed Trump to be the best choice?

Its possible a fair number didnt like him but only chose him out of loyalty to the party. That's why electors are chosen

[Telconi]

So, back to the original question, is it possible the electors believed Trump to be the best choice?

Its possible a fair number didnt like him but only chose him out of loyalty to the party. That's why electors are chosen

We generally don't accuse people of certain actions based solely upon such action having been possible.