Should the Electoral College be abolished?

[San Lumen]

Slavery is morally and ethically wrong. Lincoln got elected on abolishing slavery.

A majority supported lgbt people getting married when the court decided. Segregation is wrong too

You still have not said how you would reform the system

Democrats holding office in the current political climate are morally and ethically wrong.

Not true, California of all places had a referendum which approved constitutional bans on gay marriage.

Very astute of you.

Therefore your views matter more then someone else’s and one is not allowed to disagree with you

And it was ruled unconstitutional via the 14th Amendment

What is your solution then?

[Telconi]

Democrats holding office in the current political climate are morally and ethically wrong.

Not true, California of all places had a referendum which approved constitutional bans on gay marriage.

Very astute of you.

Therefore your views matter more then someone else’s and one is not allowed to disagree with you

And it was ruled unconstitutional via the 14th Amendment

What is your solution then?

Who said anyone couldn't disagree. If you want to sit at your dinner table and rant and rave about how you're not permitted to make innocent people suffer, that's fine. I am more worried with preventing the actual suffering.

How tyrannical.

There are loads of solutions. Implement unequal election laws, gerrymandering, voter suppression, electoral fraud, protests, riots, strikes, vandalism and sabotage, etc. etc.

[Tornado Queendom]

The Electoral college is the system of electing the president of the United States of America.

In my opinion it is very undemocratic. The electoral college has lead to electing a president 4 times without the majority of the voters.
This site also shows how you can win the elections with 22% of the popular vote.
https://www.squarefree.com/2004/11/01/w ... ular-vote/

In my opinion the electoral college should be abolished and replaced by the popular vote the candidate with the most votes win.

NS , what is your opinion?

The Electoral College being abolished is like counting the votes of the HRE Emperor based on the most populated princes, leaving smaller elector states powerless. We NEED the Electoral College, because we'd otherwise have the same party win every election.

[Kowani]

The Electoral college is the system of electing the president of the United States of America.

In my opinion it is very undemocratic. The electoral college has lead to electing a president 4 times without the majority of the voters.
This site also shows how you can win the elections with 22% of the popular vote.
https://www.squarefree.com/2004/11/01/w ... ular-vote/

In my opinion the electoral college should be abolished and replaced by the popular vote the candidate with the most votes win.

NS , what is your opinion?

The Electoral College being abolished is like counting the votes of the HRE Emperor based on the most populated princes, leaving smaller elector states powerless. We NEED the Electoral College, because we'd otherwise have the same party win every election.

Ignoring the fact that the Dems winning the popular vote is a fairly recent trend (like, Bush Sr. was the last Republican to win that) for a second, that’s not inherently a bad thing.

[Wallenburg]

The Electoral college is the system of electing the president of the United States of America.

In my opinion it is very undemocratic. The electoral college has lead to electing a president 4 times without the majority of the voters.
This site also shows how you can win the elections with 22% of the popular vote.
https://www.squarefree.com/2004/11/01/w ... ular-vote/

In my opinion the electoral college should be abolished and replaced by the popular vote the candidate with the most votes win.

NS , what is your opinion?

The Electoral College being abolished is like counting the votes of the HRE Emperor based on the most populated princes, leaving smaller elector states powerless. We NEED the Electoral College, because we'd otherwise have the same party win every election.

I think everyone here is aware that if we had free and fair democratic elections, the GOP would never again win an election on the national level. You don't want to point that out as if it's a bad thing.

[Tornado Queendom]

The Electoral College being abolished is like counting the votes of the HRE Emperor based on the most populated princes, leaving smaller elector states powerless. We NEED the Electoral College, because we'd otherwise have the same party win every election.

Ignoring the fact that the Dems winning the popular vote is a fairly recent trend (like, Bush Sr. was the last Republican to win that) for a second, that’s not inherently a bad thing.

If the same party wins elections, the other party can eventually get BANNED. If the Republicans (of which I am part of) get banned, I'm probably going to move to Hungary.

[Telconi]

The Electoral College being abolished is like counting the votes of the HRE Emperor based on the most populated princes, leaving smaller elector states powerless. We NEED the Electoral College, because we'd otherwise have the same party win every election.

I think everyone here is aware that if we had free and fair democratic elections, the GOP would never again win an election on the national level. You don't want to point that out as if it's a bad thing.

It is a bad thing tho.

[Wallenburg]

Ignoring the fact that the Dems winning the popular vote is a fairly recent trend (like, Bush Sr. was the last Republican to win that) for a second, that’s not inherently a bad thing.

If the same party wins elections, the other party can eventually get BANNED. If the Republicans (of which I am part of) get banned, I'm probably going to move to Hungary.

The only parties that have been banned are the American Communist Party, at the hands of conservatives. You're just making shit up.

[Telconi]

If the same party wins elections, the other party can eventually get BANNED. If the Republicans (of which I am part of) get banned, I'm probably going to move to Hungary.

The only parties that have been banned are the American Communist Party, at the hands of conservatives. You're just making shit up.

Wait, the banning of a party is proof that the possibility of party bans is made up?

Lolwut?

[Wallenburg]

I think everyone here is aware that if we had free and fair democratic elections, the GOP would never again win an election on the national level. You don't want to point that out as if it's a bad thing.

It is a bad thing tho.

I disagree. If your party platform is too shit to win free and fair elections, you don't deserve to be in power.

[Telconi]

It is a bad thing tho.

I disagree. If your party platform is too shit to win free and fair elections, you don't deserve to be in power.

Cool, your disagreement is noted.

[Wallenburg]

The only parties that have been banned are the American Communist Party, at the hands of conservatives. You're just making shit up.

Wait, the banning of a party is proof that the possibility of party bans is made up?

Lolwut?

Somebody thinks the Communist Party and the GOP are comparable in any way.

[Telconi]

Wait, the banning of a party is proof that the possibility of party bans is made up?

Lolwut?

Somebody thinks the Communist Party and the GOP are comparable in any way.

They are, they're both political parties.

[Cameroi]

the election of donald trump proves it cannot do the job which has always been the excuse for its existence,
which is also therefore doing more harm then good, so yes, obviously, it is not merely harmlessly unneeded,
but very harmfully counter productive of either good government or the public will.

[Cetacea]

Unfortunately for you, seeing how divided Republicanism and party rule has made this country doesn't make any love for the system stick.

Yes. Because monarchism worked so much better.
Wait, no.

Monarchism is better, appeal to tradition is less disruptive than appeal to popularism

Your Electoral college is oligarchal and breeds plutocracy

[Kowani]

Yes. Because monarchism worked so much better.
Wait, no.

Monarchism is better, appeal to tradition is less disruptive than appeal to popularism

Order is of no internet value.

Your Electoral college is oligarchal and breeds plutocracy

Another reason not to like it.

[Telconi]

Monarchism is better, appeal to tradition is less disruptive than appeal to popularism

Order is of no internet value.

Your Electoral college is oligarchal and breeds plutocracy

Another reason not to like it.

Neither is popularity tho...

[Utceforp]

Wait, the banning of a party is proof that the possibility of party bans is made up?

Lolwut?

Somebody thinks the Communist Party and the GOP are comparable in any way.

You're right, the Communist party and the GOP aren't comparable - the Communists aren't a threat.

[Kowani]

Order is of no internet value.

Another reason not to like it.

Neither is popularity tho...

Gee. I hadn’t thought of that. Why do you think my argument’s never been about Democratic Representation?

[New haven america]

Then- then why do Colorado, Nevada, Illinois, and New Mexico vote with the Coastal Elites?

Shouldn't they be voting with the down to Earth farmers and small town factory workers? D:

In the case of all three states that's partly because those states are filling with Californian expats who are fleeing the high costs of living of being in California.

Not true.

Source: From one of those states.

[Totally Not OEP]

The Electoral college is the system of electing the president of the United States of America.

In my opinion it is very undemocratic. The electoral college has lead to electing a president 4 times without the majority of the voters.
This site also shows how you can win the elections with 22% of the popular vote.
https://www.squarefree.com/2004/11/01/w ... ular-vote/

In my opinion the electoral college should be abolished and replaced by the popular vote the candidate with the most votes win.

NS , what is your opinion?

No, we should not remove the Electoral College and instead should strengthen it by repealing the 17th and 19th Amendments to the Constitution; extensions of the Franchise have historically undermined the stability and moral foundations of the Union, presenting a grave danger to our well being and indeed the immortal souls of Americans.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

No, we should not remove the Electoral College and instead should strengthen it by repealing the 17th and 19th Amendments to the Constitution; extensions of the Franchise have historically undermined the stability and moral foundations of the Union

I sense you’re trying to hide your power level here, since I also sense you’d want the whole constitution put through the shredder.

presenting a grave danger to our well being

It’s only a “””grave danger””” to those who don’t like freedom and the ideals of liberty and justice for all since they can’t oppress the masses as effectively as they wish. To be against freedom and to be for tyranny is to be anti-American.

and indeed the immortal souls of Americans.

If so then so what? Since we weren’t founded or even intended to be a theocracy I’d say that what happens to the “””immortal souls””” of Americans hardly matters and is only a matter between believers and their particular deity.

[Totally Not OEP]

No, we should not remove the Electoral College and instead should strengthen it by repealing the 17th and 19th Amendments to the Constitution; extensions of the Franchise have historically undermined the stability and moral foundations of the Union

I sense you’re trying to hide your power level here, since I also sense you’d want the whole constitution put through the shredder.

presenting a grave danger to our well being

It’s only a “””grave danger””” to those who don’t like freedom and the ideals of liberty and justice for all since they can’t oppress the masses as effectively as they wish. To be against freedom and to be for tyranny is to be anti-American.

and indeed the immortal souls of Americans.

If so then so what? Since we weren’t founded or even intended to be a theocracy I’d say that what happens to the “””immortal souls””” of Americans hardly matters and is only a matter between believers and their particular deity.

One wonders how what I propose is Anti-American when the Founders created a limited franchise in the first place.

[Spirit of Hope]

I sense you’re trying to hide your power level here, since I also sense you’d want the whole constitution put through the shredder.


It’s only a “””grave danger””” to those who don’t like freedom and the ideals of liberty and justice for all since they can’t oppress the masses as effectively as they wish. To be against freedom and to be for tyranny is to be anti-American.


If so then so what? Since we weren’t founded or even intended to be a theocracy I’d say that what happens to the “””immortal souls””” of Americans hardly matters and is only a matter between believers and their particular deity.

One wonders how what I propose is Anti-American when the Founders created a limited franchise in the first place.

So because the founding fathers were racist, we should keep being racist? Surprising no one, the founding fathers weren't perfect, and there are things we can do to improve upon what they created. We do after all have a lot more knowledge at our disposal than they did.

[Totally Not OEP]

One wonders how what I propose is Anti-American when the Founders created a limited franchise in the first place.

So because the founding fathers were racist, we should keep being racist? Surprising no one, the founding fathers weren't perfect, and there are things we can do to improve upon what they created. We do after all have a lot more knowledge at our disposal than they did.

Not an argument.