Should the Electoral College be abolished?

[Lavan Tiri]

I'm gonna assume you're a Republican?

Generally, yes.

Okay, I'm gonna say this as gently as possible--maybe it isn't the rest of the world's fault Republican policies are unpopular?

[Telconi]

Generally, yes.

Okay, I'm gonna say this as gently as possible--maybe it isn't the rest of the world's fault Republican policies are unpopular?

Why does it matter?

[Lavan Tiri]

Okay, I'm gonna say this as gently as possible--maybe it isn't the rest of the world's fault Republican policies are unpopular?

Why does it matter?

It matters because you liking a party with shitty fucking positions that hasn't gotten the support of the majority of the country in decades should not be the reason we continue having an undemocratic, outdated system

[San Lumen]

so this about owning the libs because you dont like your outvoted in state elections and want to be able to win a national election with less votes?

I mean, if we assume that defending human rights from horrible people is "owning them", then sure.

so if a statewide official gets 36 percent of the vote but more land area like in New York last year they should be elected if they got more land area?

In California last year even under a supposed electoral college Newsom still would have won as he carried more counties than Cox

a party should have the support of the majority. if they didnt get the most votes for congress or state legislature they shouldnt have a majority neither should their candidate for statewide office or president be elected

[Telconi]

Why does it matter?

It matters because you liking a party with shitty fucking positions that hasn't gotten the support of the majority of the country in decades should not be the reason we continue having an undemocratic, outdated system

They're not shitty positions tho.

[Antityranicals]

If that makes you people lose elections, yes.

I'm gonna assume you're a Republican?

Let's step back for a minute. What is the "right to vote?" It is the supposed right to choose the rulers of our country. Do I have the authority to force you to pay taxes to me? No, of course not. So why is it that I have the right to appoint someone to do so? I'm going to argue that no vote other than a unanimous one is truly legitimate for this reason. This means that if every person in the entire United States except one were to vote for a tax, that one person should have a right not to pay this tax, because none of the other Americans have the authority to force him to. How does this relate to the Electoral college. The answer isn't so hard. Given how states are smaller units than the entire nation, the more authority they take from the nation overall, the closer we get towards the eventual goal of individual sovereignty. For this reason, because I support decentralization, I support the Electoral college over a presidential race by simple majority. In an optimal world, the government would have so little power that it wouldn't matter, but for now, it's the best of two evils.

[Antityranicals]

It matters because you liking a party with shitty fucking positions that hasn't gotten the support of the majority of the country in decades should not be the reason we continue having an undemocratic, outdated system

They're not shitty positions tho.

Any position which involves stealing the money which the American people earned, even if it pays for a good thing, is a shitty position.

[Telconi]

I mean, if we assume that defending human rights from horrible people is "owning them", then sure.

so if a statewide official gets 36 percent of the vote but more land area like in New York last year they should be elected if they got more land area?

In California last year even under a supposed electoral college Newsom still would have won as he carried more counties than Cox

It doesn't matter what the votes are, in today's political climate the Democratic candidate should lose. Period. Fulll stop.

Well then we need something better don't we?

[San Lumen]

I'm gonna assume you're a Republican?

Let's step back for a minute. What is the "right to vote?" It is the supposed right to choose the rulers of our country. Do I have the authority to force you to pay taxes to me? No, of course not. So why is it that I have the right to appoint someone to do so? I'm going to argue that no vote other than a unanimous one is truly legitimate for this reason. This means that if every person in the entire United States except one were to vote for a tax, that one person should have a right not to pay this tax, because none of the other Americans have the authority to force him to. How does this relate to the Electoral college. The answer isn't so hard. Given how states are smaller units than the entire nation, the more authority they take from the nation overall, the closer we get towards the eventual goal of individual sovereignty. For this reason, because I support decentralization, I support the Electoral college over a presidential race by simple majority. In an optimal world, the government would have so little power that it wouldn't matter, but for now, it's the best of two evils.

winning a national election with less votes is fair to you? What if we elected statewide officials by how many counties they win? would that be fair and democratic to you?

[Antityranicals]

It matters because you liking a party with shitty fucking positions that hasn't gotten the support of the majority of the country in decades should not be the reason we continue having an undemocratic, outdated system

They're not shitty positions tho.

Republican positions beat Democratic theft any day.

[San Lumen]

so if a statewide official gets 36 percent of the vote but more land area like in New York last year they should be elected if they got more land area?

In California last year even under a supposed electoral college Newsom still would have won as he carried more counties than Cox

It doesn't matter what the votes are, in today's political climate the Democratic candidate should lose. Period. Fulll stop.

Well then we need something better don't we?

even if more people vote for them?

What would be better? Im listening

[Antityranicals]

Let's step back for a minute. What is the "right to vote?" It is the supposed right to choose the rulers of our country. Do I have the authority to force you to pay taxes to me? No, of course not. So why is it that I have the right to appoint someone to do so? I'm going to argue that no vote other than a unanimous one is truly legitimate for this reason. This means that if every person in the entire United States except one were to vote for a tax, that one person should have a right not to pay this tax, because none of the other Americans have the authority to force him to. How does this relate to the Electoral college. The answer isn't so hard. Given how states are smaller units than the entire nation, the more authority they take from the nation overall, the closer we get towards the eventual goal of individual sovereignty. For this reason, because I support decentralization, I support the Electoral college over a presidential race by simple majority. In an optimal world, the government would have so little power that it wouldn't matter, but for now, it's the best of two evils.

winning a national election with less votes is fair to you? What if we elected statewide officials by how many counties they win? would that be fair and democratic to you?

Did you even read what I wrote? I condemned democracy!

[San Lumen]

winning a national election with less votes is fair to you? What if we elected statewide officials by how many counties they win? would that be fair and democratic to you?

Did you even read what I wrote? I condemned democracy!

The go move to Belarus or Eritrea or one of the former Soviet Republics. you'd be very happy.

[Lavan Tiri]

so if a statewide official gets 36 percent of the vote but more land area like in New York last year they should be elected if they got more land area?

In California last year even under a supposed electoral college Newsom still would have won as he carried more counties than Cox

It doesn't matter what the votes are, in today's political climate the Democratic candidate should lose. Period. Fulll stop.

Why?

[Telconi]

It doesn't matter what the votes are, in today's political climate the Democratic candidate should lose. Period. Fulll stop.

Why?

Shit policies.

[Kowani]

I'm gonna assume you're a Republican?

Let's step back for a minute. What is the "right to vote?" It is the supposed right to choose the rulers of our country. Do I have the authority to force you to pay taxes to me? No, of course not. So why is it that I have the right to appoint someone to do so? I'm going to argue that no vote other than a unanimous one is truly legitimate for this reason. This means that if every person in the entire United States except one were to vote for a tax, that one person should have a right not to pay this tax, because none of the other Americans have the authority to force him to. How does this relate to the Electoral college. The answer isn't so hard. Given how states are smaller units than the entire nation, the more authority they take from the nation overall, the closer we get towards the eventual goal of individual sovereignty. For this reason, because I support decentralization, I support the Electoral college over a presidential race by simple majority. In an optimal world, the government would have so little power that it wouldn't matter, but for now, it's the best of two evils.

Ah. Except, no. That’s entirely untrue.

[Telconi]

It doesn't matter what the votes are, in today's political climate the Democratic candidate should lose. Period. Fulll stop.

Well then we need something better don't we?

even if more people vote for them?

What would be better? Im listening

Yes.

Anything that prevents further Democratic party control.of government.

[Antityranicals]

Did you even read what I wrote? I condemned democracy!

The go move to Belarus or Eritrea or one of the former Soviet Republics. you'd be very happy.

That's a straw man. Just because I don't like tyranny by the majority doesn't mean I like tyranny by the minority. How about "no tyranny," by decriminalizing tax evasion, and deregulating industry.

[Lavan Tiri]

Why?

Shit policies.

Like?

[San Lumen]

even if more people vote for them?

What would be better? Im listening

Yes.

Anything that prevents further Democratic party control.of government.

Why do your views matter and that of the majority doesn’t?

That’s tyranny of the minority and what almost every dictatorship is built upon.

Give a solution then instead of generalizations

[Kowani]

The go move to Belarus or Eritrea or one of the former Soviet Republics. you'd be very happy.

That's a straw man. Just because I don't like tyranny by the majority doesn't mean I like tyranny by the minority. How about "no tyranny," by decriminalizing tax evasion, and deregulating industry.

No. Rivers on fire.

[Telconi]

Yes.

Anything that prevents further Democratic party control.of government.

Why do your views matter and that of the majority doesn’t?

That’s tyranny of the minority and what almost every dictatorship is built upon.

Give a solution then instead of generalizations

Tyranny of the minority? Like when gays got to marry? They're a minority. Black going to schools with whites, blacks are a minority. Was this tyranny? The abolition of slavery was wildly unpopular in those states, so much so they started a war over it. Was the emancipation proclamation tyrannical?

[LiberNovusAmericae]

They're not shitty positions tho.

Republican positions beat Democratic theft any day.

I don't see how the GOP is any better, with their support for a bloated military, support for civil asset forfeiture, and other ridiculous policies.

[San Lumen]

Why do your views matter and that of the majority doesn’t?

That’s tyranny of the minority and what almost every dictatorship is built upon.

Give a solution then instead of generalizations

Tyranny of the minority? Like when gays got to marry? They're a minority. Black going to schools with whites, blacks are a minority. Was this tyranny? The abolition of slavery was wildly unpopular in those states, so much so they started a war over it. Was the emancipation proclamation tyrannical?

Slavery is morally and ethically wrong. Lincoln got elected on abolishing slavery.

A majority supported lgbt people getting married when the court decided. Segregation is wrong too

You still have not said how you would reform the system

[Telconi]

Tyranny of the minority? Like when gays got to marry? They're a minority. Black going to schools with whites, blacks are a minority. Was this tyranny? The abolition of slavery was wildly unpopular in those states, so much so they started a war over it. Was the emancipation proclamation tyrannical?

Slavery is morally and ethically wrong. Lincoln got elected on abolishing slavery.

A majority supported lgbt people getting married when the court decided. Segregation is wrong too

You still have not said how you would reform the system

Democrats holding office in the current political climate are morally and ethically wrong.

Not true, California of all places had a referendum which approved constitutional bans on gay marriage.

Very astute of you.