Should the Electoral College be abolished?

[The Lone Alliance]

It was Trump who had the highest EC and thus the legit vote.... but was hated by Clinton supporters.
Or Clinton who had the highest PV by a small percentage but is hated by Trump supporters.

Or trying to find some super centrist third person that everyone in the EC could agree on.

So it'd end up sticking someone like an American Macron in office.... and I can't see that working out too well either.

So, back to the original question, is it possible the electors believed Trump to be the best choice?

If they had truly been trying to find the best choice on who to be President they'd still be deciding.

Perfect is the enemy of good.

There is no "Best choice" that everyone could likely agree on thanks to the political situation so Trump got in because he was at least legitimate and he did get the necessary Electoral Votes and he won more states in general.

[San Lumen]

So, back to the original question, is it possible the electors believed Trump to be the best choice?

If they had truly been trying to find the best choice on who to be President they'd still be deciding.

There is no "Best choice" that everyone could likely agree on thanks to the political situation so Trump got in because he was at least legitimate and he did get the necessary Electoral Votes.

Hence why we should just have popular vote like every other country.

Sorry but i don't consider someone who was helped to win an election by a foreign adversary legitimate. On that alone they should have put country over party and caused a constitutional crisis. The electoral college makes dirt matter more than votes and its no longer serves its purpose.

[Telconi]

If they had truly been trying to find the best choice on who to be President they'd still be deciding.

There is no "Best choice" that everyone could likely agree on thanks to the political situation so Trump got in because he was at least legitimate and he did get the necessary Electoral Votes.

Hence why we should just have popular vote like every other country.

Sorry but i don't consider someone who was helped to win an election by a foreign adversary legitimate. On that alone they should have put country over party and caused a constitutional crisis. The electoral college makes dirt matter more than votes and its no longer serves its purpose.

It's possible to repurpose things.

Also it wouldn't have been a constitutional crisis, it gets pushed to the house of representatives for a decision.

[San Lumen]

Hence why we should just have popular vote like every other country.

Sorry but i don't consider someone who was helped to win an election by a foreign adversary legitimate. On that alone they should have put country over party and caused a constitutional crisis. The electoral college makes dirt matter more than votes and its no longer serves its purpose.

It's possible to repurpose things.

Also it wouldn't have been a constitutional crisis, it gets pushed to the house of representatives for a decision.

repurpose in what way?

If a majority in the electoral college chose someone else Congress cannot override them

[The Lone Alliance]

If they had truly been trying to find the best choice on who to be President they'd still be deciding.

There is no "Best choice" that everyone could likely agree on thanks to the political situation so Trump got in because he was at least legitimate and he did get the necessary Electoral Votes.

Hence why we should just have popular vote like every other country.

Sorry but i don't consider someone who was helped to win an election by a foreign adversary legitimate. On that alone they should have put country over party and caused a constitutional crisis. The electoral college makes dirt matter more than votes and its no longer serves its purpose.

If a constitutional crisis had happened that likely would have resulted in massive unrest or a civil war.

[San Lumen]

Hence why we should just have popular vote like every other country.

Sorry but i don't consider someone who was helped to win an election by a foreign adversary legitimate. On that alone they should have put country over party and caused a constitutional crisis. The electoral college makes dirt matter more than votes and its no longer serves its purpose.

If a constitutional crisis had happened that likely would have resulted in massive unrest or a civil war.

I doubt it.

[Telconi]

It's possible to repurpose things.

Also it wouldn't have been a constitutional crisis, it gets pushed to the house of representatives for a decision.

repurpose in what way?

If a majority in the electoral college chose someone else Congress cannot override them

Weighing rural votes to increase their relative political power.

Which isn't a constitutional crisis.

[San Lumen]

repurpose in what way?

If a majority in the electoral college chose someone else Congress cannot override them

Weighing rural votes to increase their relative political power.

Which isn't a constitutional crisis.

How?

I am aware.

[Telconi]

Weighing rural votes to increase their relative political power.

Which isn't a constitutional crisis.

How?

I am aware.

Uh, by giving each state electors based upon the combined total of representatives and senators...

[San Lumen]

How?

I am aware.

Uh, by giving each state electors based upon the combined total of representatives and senators...

The purpose of the electoral college was not to make rural votes count more than urban ones. How many times must this be said?

But you like it because it makes dirt matter more than votes.

[Grinning Dragon]

Uh, by giving each state electors based upon the combined total of representatives and senators...

The purpose of the electoral college was not to make rural votes count more than urban ones. How many times must this be said?

But you like it because it makes dirt matter more than votes.

And how many times does it have to be said that it isn't about dirt.
Electoral votes are based on the congressional representation for each state

[Telconi]

Uh, by giving each state electors based upon the combined total of representatives and senators...

The purpose of the electoral college was not to make rural votes count more than urban ones. How many times must this be said?

But you like it because it makes dirt matter more than votes.

You do know what the word "repurpose" means right?

[San Lumen]

The purpose of the electoral college was not to make rural votes count more than urban ones. How many times must this be said?

But you like it because it makes dirt matter more than votes.

And how many times does it have to be said that it isn't about dirt.
Electoral votes are based on the congressional representation for each state

I am aware but it effect that's in effect what the electoral college does. It no longer serves its intended purpose and should be done away with

[Grinning Dragon]

And how many times does it have to be said that it isn't about dirt.
Electoral votes are based on the congressional representation for each state

I am aware but it effect that's in effect what the electoral college does. It no longer serves its intended purpose and should be done away with

Direct democracy = shit
Constitutional Republic = good.
Fuck democracy.

[Duvniask]

The purpose of the electoral college was not to make rural votes count more than urban ones. How many times must this be said?

But you like it because it makes dirt matter more than votes.

And how many times does it have to be said that it isn't about dirt.
Electoral votes are based on the congressional representation for each state

Which are skewed to grant smaller states more representation than they would have proportionally.

[San Lumen]

I am aware but it effect that's in effect what the electoral college does. It no longer serves its intended purpose and should be done away with

Direct democracy = shit
Constitutional Republic = good.
Fuck democracy.

and you would replace it with what?

[Grinning Dragon]

Direct democracy = shit
Constitutional Republic = good.
Fuck democracy.

and you would replace it with what?

I wouldn't replace it.

[San Lumen]

and you would replace it with what?

I wouldn't replace it.

you just said off with democracy

[Grinning Dragon]

I wouldn't replace it.

you just said off with democracy

The US isn't a democracy, it's a constitutional republic, in fact the word democracy doesn't appear anywhere in the Constitution.

[Grinning Dragon]

And how many times does it have to be said that it isn't about dirt.
Electoral votes are based on the congressional representation for each state

Which are skewed to grant smaller states more representation than they would have proportionally.

How is it skewed? cali has by far the most electoral votes while say Alaska has only 3.

[Duvniask]

Which are skewed to grant smaller states more representation than they would have proportionally.

How is it skewed? cali has by far the most electoral votes while say Alaska has only 3.

Because the number of electors is determined by the number of representatives for each state and the number of senators (of which there are always 2, of course). Since each state is constitutionally required to have at least one representative, the end result is that each state will always have at least 3 electors, no matter the size of its population. Populations are weighted in, in terms of representatives, but no proportionally. This skews things in favor of low-population states. For example, Wyoming, which has roughly 570,000 people, has 3 electors, so that's around 190,000 per elector. California, with its population of ~39,500,000, has 55 electors, which equals around 718,000 persons per elector.

[Duvniask]

you just said off with democracy

The US isn't a democracy, it's a constitutional republic, in fact the word democracy doesn't appear anywhere in the Constitution.

Many a political scientist writhe in agony every time someone, usually a Murican, makes this utterance.

[Farnhamia]

The US isn't a democracy, it's a constitutional republic, in fact the word democracy doesn't appear anywhere in the Constitution.

Many a political scientist writhe in agony every time someone, usually a Murican, makes this utterance.

Please don't say "Murican." It's very annoying. I wouldn't do make a nickname of whatever nationality you claim, please don't do it with mine.

[San Lumen]

How is it skewed? cali has by far the most electoral votes while say Alaska has only 3.

Because the number of electors is determined by the number of representatives for each state and the number of senators (of which there are always 2, of course). Since each state is constitutionally required to have at least one representative, the end result is that each state will always have at least 3 electors, no matter the size of its population. Populations are weighted in, in terms of representatives, but no proportionally. This skews things in favor of low-population states. For example, Wyoming, which has roughly 570,000 people, has 3 electors, so that's around 190,000 per elector. California, with its population of ~39,500,000, has 55 electors, which equals around 718,000 persons per elector.

Yet a vote in Wyoming matters more than a vote in California hence the problem with the electoral college

[Pacomia]

Many a political scientist writhe in agony every time someone, usually a Murican, makes this utterance.

Please don't say "Murican." It's very annoying. I wouldn't do make a nickname of whatever nationality you claim, please don't do it with mine.

what about the millions of nicknames we have for canadians