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Should the Electoral College be abolished?

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Should the Electoral College be abolished?

Yes
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60%
No (please explain)
148
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Total votes : 369

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Bread Herbert
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Should the Electoral College be abolished?

Postby Bread Herbert » Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:35 pm

The Electoral college is the system of electing the president of the United States of America.

In my opinion it is very undemocratic. The electoral college has lead to electing a president 4 times without the majority of the voters.
This site also shows how you can win the elections with 22% of the popular vote.
https://www.squarefree.com/2004/11/01/w ... ular-vote/

In my opinion the electoral college should be abolished and replaced by the popular vote the candidate with the most votes win.

NS , what is your opinion?

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Ors Might
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Postby Ors Might » Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:36 pm

Oh boy here we go again

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Bread Herbert
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Postby Bread Herbert » Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:37 pm

Ors Might wrote:Oh boy here we go again


And your opinion?

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New haven america
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Postby New haven america » Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:37 pm

Yes /Thread
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Postby Kowani » Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:37 pm

I’ll say what I said last time:
Kowani wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Why does it suck?

1. It doesn’t actually give power to small states, rather, a small group of “swing states,” because everyone else is safe red or safe blue bar extraordinary circumstances.
2. It contributes to the 2 party system.
3. It contributes to polarization.
4. Everyone in a state that’s safe for one side or another might as well not vote at all, for all the impact it has.

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Postby Bread Herbert » Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:38 pm

Kowani wrote:I’ll say what I said last time:
Kowani wrote:1. It doesn’t actually give power to small states, rather, a small group of “swing states,” because everyone else is safe red or safe blue bar extraordinary circumstances.
2. It contributes to the 2 party system.
3. It contributes to polarization.
4. Everyone in a state that’s safe for one side or another might as well not vote at all, for all the impact it has.

Yes.


How does it contribute to polarization?

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Bread Herbert
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Postby Bread Herbert » Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:39 pm

New haven america wrote:Yes /Thread


But at least two people that voted in the poll disagree.

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Arlenton
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Postby Arlenton » Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:41 pm

No. I like it.

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Bread Herbert
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Postby Bread Herbert » Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:41 pm

Arlenton wrote:No. I like it.


Why?

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Postby Pacomia » Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:41 pm

Yes. It’s unfair, creates an oligarchy, and gets in the way of actual democracy by creating where the votes of only a few hundred people decide who will rule over 300 million. There are really no benefits to this system anymore. It creates an easy gateway for corruption, and is just completely unnecessary and is one of the many problems I have with the American political system/process.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:41 pm

Bread Herbert wrote:
Kowani wrote:I’ll say what I said last time:

Yes.


How does it contribute to polarization?

It’s easier to win votes by being more extreme. The Electoral college makes it much more worth it to be radical than it would otherwise be.
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As a Canadian? I find Americans and their deep, deep distrust of the government to be fundamentally, critically, laughably flawed. I find some aspects of your country completely absurd. The distrust of anything remotely resembling authority is one. The gun problem that stems from that is another.

Seangoli wrote:You are spouting nonsensical drivel with no coherent thought, little logic, and at the end of it all just angry opining at the clouds based on a truly astonishly low level of knowledge or understanding of the subject matter.

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Ors Might
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Postby Ors Might » Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:41 pm

Bread Herbert wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Oh boy here we go again


And your opinion?

My opinion is that in the four years since the last election this debate has been done to death so many times that you could make trading cards for all the pro-electoral college and anti-electoral college arguments.

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Bread Herbert
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Postby Bread Herbert » Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:42 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Bread Herbert wrote:
And your opinion?

My opinion is that in the four years since the last election this debate has been done to death so many times that you could make trading cards for all the pro-electoral college and anti-electoral college arguments.


Where can I buy some?

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Postby Arlenton » Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:43 pm

Bread Herbert wrote:
Arlenton wrote:No. I like it.


Why?

It benefits the party I support.

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Ors Might
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Postby Ors Might » Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:43 pm

Bread Herbert wrote:
Ors Might wrote:My opinion is that in the four years since the last election this debate has been done to death so many times that you could make trading cards for all the pro-electoral college and anti-electoral college arguments.


Where can I buy some?

I dunno, probably the same game store where you can still buy that Neopet shit that was a thing for like three years before suddenly vanishing.

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Postby New haven america » Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:45 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Bread Herbert wrote:
Where can I buy some?

I dunno, probably the same game store where you can still buy that Neopet shit that was a thing for like three years before suddenly vanishing.

Neopets is still running and is still great.
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Bread Herbert
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Postby Bread Herbert » Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:46 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Bread Herbert wrote:
Where can I buy some?

I dunno, probably the same game store where you can still buy that Neopet shit that was a thing for like three years before suddenly vanishing.


I still play Neopets...

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Bread Herbert
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Postby Bread Herbert » Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:46 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Bread Herbert wrote:
Why?

It benefits the party I support.


Which party is that?

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Ors Might
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Postby Ors Might » Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:47 pm

New haven america wrote:
Ors Might wrote:I dunno, probably the same game store where you can still buy that Neopet shit that was a thing for like three years before suddenly vanishing.

Neopets is still running and is still great.

This is legitimately the most veering thing that I’ve read here all day. I remember seeing that stuff everywhere in ads before it just stopped.

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Salus Maior
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:47 pm

Yes. And Congress. And the Senate. And the Presidency.

*writes out an invitation to the Queen*
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Bread Herbert
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Postby Bread Herbert » Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:48 pm

Salus Maior wrote:Yes. And Congress. And the Senate. And the Presidency.

*writes out an invitation to the Queen*


Which Queen?

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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:48 pm

Salus Maior wrote:Yes. And Congress. And the Senate. And the Presidency.

*writes out an invitation to the Queen*

No. Monarchism is shit.
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Atheist and still proud of it.
Post-Capitalist, Post-Nationalist.
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Prydania wrote:
As a Canadian? I find Americans and their deep, deep distrust of the government to be fundamentally, critically, laughably flawed. I find some aspects of your country completely absurd. The distrust of anything remotely resembling authority is one. The gun problem that stems from that is another.

Seangoli wrote:You are spouting nonsensical drivel with no coherent thought, little logic, and at the end of it all just angry opining at the clouds based on a truly astonishly low level of knowledge or understanding of the subject matter.

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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:48 pm

Bread Herbert wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:Yes. And Congress. And the Senate. And the Presidency.

*writes out an invitation to the Queen*


Which Queen?


Elizabeth Windsor.
The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it. John 1:5

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Bread Herbert
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Postby Bread Herbert » Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:48 pm

Kowani wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:Yes. And Congress. And the Senate. And the Presidency.

*writes out an invitation to the Queen*

No. Monarchism is shit.


Palpatine is good.

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Postby Arlenton » Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:49 pm

Bread Herbert wrote:
Arlenton wrote:It benefits the party I support.


Which party is that?

The one that has lost the popular vote in every single presidential election of my lifetime, except once.

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