UK confronts new face of terrorism: the far right.

[ElCKuT]

For several years the concern about terrorism in the UK has been focused almost exclusively on Islamic terrorism. Now that is changing, as the far right is officially labelled a serious terrorist threat./quote]

Exactly, how is Islamic terrorism NOT political terrorism and NOT right-wing?

For one, terrorism isn't Islamic, so there is no "Islamic" terrorism. However the case can be made that it is (far) right-wing.

[Neanderthaland]

Exactly, how is Islamic terrorism NOT political terrorism and NOT right-wing?

For one, terrorism isn't Islamic, so there is no "Islamic" terrorism. However the case can be made that it is (far) right-wing.

Yes, of course. Nothing done in the name of Islam has anything to do with Islam. Where would anyone get that impression?

[Costa Fierro]

Identity and tradition is far more important to people than most understand.

Tradition is peer pressure from dead people.

[Estanglia]

Exactly, how is Islamic terrorism NOT political terrorism and NOT right-wing?

For one, terrorism isn't Islamic, so there is no "Islamic" terrorism.

'Islamic terrorism' doesn't mean terrorism is Islamic. It covers terrorist attacks committed either by radical Muslims or in the name of Islam.

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Exactly, how is Islamic terrorism NOT political terrorism and NOT right-wing?

For one, terrorism isn't Islamic, so there is no "Islamic" terrorism. However the case can be made that it is (far) right-wing.

[The Huskar Social Union]

The far right, including radical islam should definitely be taken as a serious threat and investigated properly.

Radical Islam is a threat to the British way of life, all extremist religious idea area. And several Muslims aren’t really helping their case by pitching a fit about kids being taught that gay people are people too and exist or blasting hatred across the air waves and then getting pissy that the government shut them down

Muslims have no interest in imposing their lifestyle on British non Muslims.

Bullshit, some of you blew a gasket over the idea of teaching kids that lgbt people are normal.

I dont think the British invasion of Asia and other places was justified either

Well you are welcome to support reparations.

Why the fuck should people alive today have to pay money for something their ancestors did? Jog on.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Exactly, how is Islamic terrorism NOT political terrorism and NOT right-wing?

For one, terrorism isn't Islamic, so there is no "Islamic" terrorism. However the case can be made that it is (far) right-wing.

Islamic terrorism is a thing, stop bullshitting.

[Nolo gap]

high time people started recognizing 'far right' as the euphamism for fascism it really is.

glad u.k. hasn't lost complete touch with reality, even if the u.s. has.

[Cerinda]

Good, we need to stop fascism whenever it raises its ugly head.

[Drongonia]

"The far right" are a scapegoat for the left's inability to realize what they're doing. Their identity politics is alienating young, particularly white, males. Whenever someone comes out and says or does something that is slightly edgy, offensive or non-mainstream, they're labelled far-right.

It seems similar to how the mainstream media says things like "the hacker known as 4chan" when talking about the online communities.

[Cerinda]

"The far right" are a scapegoat for the left's inability to realize what they're doing. Their identity politics is alienating young, particularly white, males. Whenever someone comes out and says or does something that is slightly edgy, offensive or non-mainstream, they're labelled far-right.

It seems similar to how the mainstream media says things like "the hacker known as 4chan" when talking about the online communities.

Oh yes because it's always the fault of "the left".

[Vassenor]

"The far right" are a scapegoat for the left's inability to realize what they're doing. Their identity politics is alienating young, particularly white, males. Whenever someone comes out and says or does something that is slightly edgy, offensive or non-mainstream, they're labelled far-right.

It seems similar to how the mainstream media says things like "the hacker known as 4chan" when talking about the online communities.

Because how dare we say it's not acceptable to be racist.

[Hirota]

Obviously terrorism regardless of it's source should be taken seriously and I agree with the change in policy as it is explained in the article further down.

Until today, the threat level system described the threat from “international terrorism”, which had become largely synonymous with Islamist terrorism.

However, this is now seen as outdated for the further reason that Islamist terrorism can be home-grown, just as extreme right-wing terrorism can have an international dimension. Combatting far-right violence was once the responsibility of the police but top-level plots and suspects begin by being investigated by MI5, Britain’s domestic intelligence agency.

So it sounds to me that this is more a procedural change moving responsibility to the intelligence agencies rather than local police forces, as opposed to a spontaneous recognition that there are bad people domestically.

It is worth asking the question: if "four of the 18 terrorist plots that had been thwarted in the UK in the preceding three years had come from the far right" as the article claims, where precisely did the other 14 come from?

[Vassenor]

Obviously terrorism regardless of it's source should be taken seriously and I agree with the change in policy as it is explained in the article further down.

Until today, the threat level system described the threat from “international terrorism”, which had become largely synonymous with Islamist terrorism.

However, this is now seen as outdated for the further reason that Islamist terrorism can be home-grown, just as extreme right-wing terrorism can have an international dimension. Combatting far-right violence was once the responsibility of the police but top-level plots and suspects begin by being investigated by MI5, Britain’s domestic intelligence agency.

So it sounds to me that this is more a procedural change moving responsibility to the intelligence agencies rather than local police forces, as opposed to a spontaneous recognition that there are bad people domestically.

It is worth asking the question: if "four of the 18 terrorist plots that had been thwarted in the UK in the preceding three years had come from the far right" as the article claims, where precisely did the other 14 come from?

Well considering whenever it's an Islamist plot its plastered all over the media in a "YOURE SUPPOSED TO BE AFRAID ARE YOU AFRAID YET?" exercise, I'm not sure why you're asking.

[Rojava Free State]

Why are they just focusing on this now? Did they not notice Britain first or the National Front in the late 1970s-1980s?

[Rojava Free State]

"The far right" are a scapegoat for the left's inability to realize what they're doing. Their identity politics is alienating young, particularly white, males. Whenever someone comes out and says or does something that is slightly edgy, offensive or non-mainstream, they're labelled far-right.

It seems similar to how the mainstream media says things like "the hacker known as 4chan" when talking about the online communities.

And that justified violence against black and brown people in what way?

[Vassenor]

Why are they just focusing on this now? Did they not notice Britain first or the National Front in the late 1970s-1980s?

Because people got testy if you suggested that terrorism was anything other than Irish Republican or Islamist.

[Hirota]

Well considering whenever it's an Islamist plot its plastered all over the media in a "YOURE SUPPOSED TO BE AFRAID ARE YOU AFRAID YET?" exercise, I'm not sure why you're asking.

It's called context Vass old bean. Eco-terrorists perhaps account for some of them, and of course the Irish loyalist and unionists pop up from time to time. If we knew for certain that Islamists plots accounted what proportion of terrorism, we would be better informed.

Not that it really matters I suppose, I just like to be better informed than reading headlines for my information.

It's also worth noting that the beeb pointed out intelligence and police forces were already investigating far right groups earlier this year: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48185759

So yeah, this story seems to be a nothingburger.

[ElCKuT]

For one, terrorism isn't Islamic, so there is no "Islamic" terrorism. However the case can be made that it is (far) right-wing.

Yes, of course. Nothing done in the name of Islam has anything to do with Islam. Where would anyone get that impression?

Strawman.

For one, terrorism isn't Islamic, so there is no "Islamic" terrorism.

'Islamic terrorism' doesn't mean terrorism is Islamic. It covers terrorist attacks committed either by radical Muslims or in the name of Islam.

Then just call it "Muslim terrorism". It's more accurate.

For one, terrorism isn't Islamic, so there is no "Islamic" terrorism. However the case can be made that it is (far) right-wing.

Islamic terrorism is a thing

No it's not.

stop bullsh*tting.

I'm not

[Estanglia]

Yes, of course. Nothing done in the name of Islam has anything to do with Islam. Where would anyone get that impression?

Strawman.

How is it a strawman?

'Islamic terrorism' doesn't mean terrorism is Islamic. It covers terrorist attacks committed either by radical Muslims or in the name of Islam.

Then just call it "Muslim terrorism". It's more accurate.

How? At best, it's just as accurate.

Islamic terrorism is a thing

No it's not.

It is.

[ElCKuT]

Strawman.

How is it a strawman?

Because I was specifically talking about terrorism not being done in the name of Al-Islam, not nothing at all.

How? At best, it's just as accurate.

Explain to me how "Islamic terrorism", something that is completely Haraam in Al-Islam, is accurate.

[Vassenor]

How is it a strawman?

Because I was specifically talking about terrorism not being done in the name of Al-Islam, not nothing at all.

How? At best, it's just as accurate.

Explain to me how "Islamic terrorism", something that is completely Haraam in Al-Islam, is accurate.

So do you deny that they claim to be motivated by their religion?

[Estanglia]

How? At best, it's just as accurate.

Explain to me how "Islamic terrorism", something that is completely Haraam in Al-Islam, is accurate.

Islamic terrorism is terrorism committed in the name of, or by adherents to, Islam.

It does not matter whether or not it is permitted or not. If a self-proclaimed Muslim commits a terror attack in the name of Islam, it is Islamic terrorism. The fact that it may or may not be banned by Islam has no bearing on that.

[ElCKuT]

Because I was specifically talking about terrorism not being done in the name of Al-Islam, not nothing at all.

Explain to me how "Islamic terrorism", something that is completely Haraam in Al-Islam, is accurate.

So do you deny that they claim to be motivated by their religion?

Every level-headed Muslim does, yes.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Islamic terrorism is a thing

No it's not.

stop bullsh*tting.

I'm not

Yes you are, Islamic terrorism exists. Islamic terrorist organisations exist.

ISIS, Al Qaeda, Al Shabab, Boko Haram are some of the most prominent ones.