A threat to any individualist and any collectivist who wants a collective different from yours. By admitting that you are a collectivist you are admitting that you won't leave anyone alone. If this isn't a threat, what is?
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by EastKekistan » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:00 pm
by Thermodolia » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:01 pm
by Pacomia » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:02 pm
by Jean-Paul Sartre » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:10 pm
by Lamoni » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:27 pm
Licana on the M-21A2 MBT: "Well, it is one of the most badass tanks on NS."
Vortiaganica: Lamoni I understand fully, of course. The two (Lamoni & Lyras) are more inseparable than the Clinton family and politics.
Triplebaconation: Lamoni commands a quiet respect that carries its own authority. He is the Mandela of NS.
by Sapientia Et Bellum » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:35 pm
"We are fascists, the heirs of fascism, the fascism of the year 2000" - Il Duce Gianfranco Fini
by Jean-Paul Sartre » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:38 pm
Sapientia Et Bellum wrote:Individualism is far more romantic than collectivism and as such has much more appeal on paper even if its not all that its cracked up to be in the real world... Its that idea that some sort of pioneer spirit flows through all of us as a result of our ancestors who were typically self made even if they were poor.... The best world is one in which people are individualistic but willing to work with their fellow man to bring about change or projects that will better all individuals... Its not as black and white as you think
by Arkhane » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:41 pm
by Jean-Paul Sartre » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:42 pm
Arkhane wrote:Just because we can predict the weather doesn't mean we can actually control said force of nature. The same goes for human actions. Predictability doesn't mean we don't have free will or control over what we choose or do.
Individualism is the reason why we as a species advanced as far as we are. Humans outdoing and competing over one another is what creates progress.
by Arkhane » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:44 pm
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:Arkhane wrote:Just because we can predict the weather doesn't mean we can actually control said force of nature. The same goes for human actions. Predictability doesn't mean we don't have free will or control over what we choose or do.
Individualism is the reason why we as a species advanced as far as we are. Humans outdoing and competing over one another is what creates progress.
China advanced far more consistently than the West with collectivism, and now they’re doing it again.
by Jean-Paul Sartre » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:46 pm
Arkhane wrote:Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:China advanced far more consistently than the West with collectivism, and now they’re doing it again.
No they didn't, they were previously communist and collectivist before, the greatness came when they adopted capitalism and started to compete against one another.
by Jack Thomas Lang » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:48 pm
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:They invented guns, paper, and built magnificent structures without once having individualism. If you seriously think the West has made China great, you need to read up on Eastern history.
by Arkhane » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:49 pm
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:Arkhane wrote:
No they didn't, they were previously communist and collectivist before, the greatness came when they adopted capitalism and started to compete against one another.
They invented guns, paper, and built magnificent structures without once having individualism. If you seriously think the West has made China great, you need to read up on Eastern history.
by Jean-Paul Sartre » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:49 pm
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:They invented guns, paper, and built magnificent structures without once having individualism. If you seriously think the West has made China great, you need to read up on Eastern history.
I think it's incredibly reductive to suggest that the technological and social advancements in China were caused by collectivism, since China, remaining collectivist fell behind the West.
by Al Mumtahanah » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:52 pm
Sapientia Et Bellum wrote:Individualism is far more romantic than collectivism and as such has much more appeal on paper even if its not all that its cracked up to be in the real world... Its that idea that some sort of pioneer spirit flows through all of us as a result of our ancestors who were typically self made even if they were poor.... The best world is one in which people are individualistic but willing to work with their fellow man to bring about change or projects that will better all individuals... Its not as black and white as you think
by Hanafuridake » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:53 pm
Suriyanakhon's alt, finally found my old account's password李贽 wrote:There is nothing difficult about becoming a sage, and nothing false about transcending the world of appearances.
by Al Mumtahanah » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:53 pm
by Jack Thomas Lang » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:55 pm
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:It had rises and falls like the west. We just happened to start navigating seriously before they did.
by Hanafuridake » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:55 pm
Al Mumtahanah wrote:China had the largest GDP of any country or Empire until the Opium Wars.
Suriyanakhon's alt, finally found my old account's password李贽 wrote:There is nothing difficult about becoming a sage, and nothing false about transcending the world of appearances.
by Abarri » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:58 pm
by Jean-Paul Sartre » Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:00 pm
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:It had rises and falls like the west. We just happened to start navigating seriously before they did.
So you agree that saying collectivism caused technological advancements is far too simplistic? Also, what is Zheng He?
Even if the giant treasure ships are a myth, that doesn't negate an impressive naval journey from China to East Africa.
by Jack Thomas Lang » Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:04 pm
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:I’m saying that attributing either individualism or collectivism is too simplistic. That was my point, refuting the guy who claimed the West made China great.
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:China advanced far more consistently than the West with collectivism, and now they’re doing it again.
by Jean-Paul Sartre » Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:07 pm
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:I’m saying that attributing either individualism or collectivism is too simplistic. That was my point, refuting the guy who claimed the West made China great.Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:China advanced far more consistently than the West with collectivism, and now they’re doing it again.
This was the initial statement that person responded to, so I think I'm excused if I did misinterpret your point.
by EastKekistan » Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:52 pm
by Petrolheadia » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:03 am
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:[*]Believing in free will and asking for choice makes us less happy
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:[*]Dualism is dead. There is no evidence that there is a portion of the human mind that exists without connection to the body. Many Christians (who are, in the West, the main proponents of this), even, think this way (hence the importance of the resurrection)
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:[*]Given the advancements we are quickly making in the fields of psychology, sociology, neuroscience, and advanced computing, it is not impossible to think that the vast majority of our life choices may, in the future, be able to be predicted by an AI
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:[*]It is because people value the delusion of free will that things like the tragedy of the commons exists
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:[*]It is because people think their choices are free that deceptive advertising is so effective[/list]While I certainly don't think society always has it right, it seems to me that if we continue down the path of unchecked individualism, we will run into issues with our society, our resources, and our own happiness. Perhaps it is better to focus on society as a whole, rather than focus on fighting for "choice" where none really exists. I do not yet have a solution to what this would look like in the West, and I don't pretend to.
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:So, NSG, should we continue to pretend that the individual knows best?
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