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Postby Bluelight-R006 » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:19 am

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Bluelight-R006 wrote:Perhaps they could deport them somewhere else for the sake of building other countries and societies?


India's people overall, are too dark in complexion to serve this purpose for most developed countries. It'd be bad if the Indians cause the lighter skin colors to darken in future generations. If a majority brown country has a shortage of men however, they should be sent there instead. Whatever results in more racially homogenous countries is more good in my eyes.

Wouldn’t there still be some white people who, at the start of this deportation, never met black people, and thus their future generations would be white?

Also, what’s the point? I don’t see the disadvantage of being a black person.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:21 am

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India's people overall, are too dark in complexion to serve this purpose for most developed countries. It'd be bad if the Indians cause the lighter skin colors to darken in future generations. If a majority brown country has a shortage of men however, they should be sent there instead. Whatever results in more racially homogenous countries is more good in my eyes.

Wouldn’t there still be some white people who, at the start of this deportation, never met black people, and thus their future generations would be white?

Also, what’s the point? I don’t see the disadvantage of being a black person.

He is a racial supremacist, black people are bad that is his point.
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Postby Soviet Tankistan » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:24 am

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Saiwania wrote:In most societies its males that're less valuable than women, and they're not wrong to think that in the sense that fewer men can still manage to impregnate lots of women but a population expansion simply can't happen if the reverse scenario is true where there is a severe shortage of men but a surplus of women.

This is a problem because it's hurting the population, and we need more people. I'd solve it by banning abortion altogether, then seeing what happens.

Banning abortions of females actually. And affirmative action would help even the gap in the long term.
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Postby Vivolkha » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:24 am

Ifreann wrote:How can you possibly enforce a law against sex-selective abortion? All a person has to do is lie about why they're having an abortion.

Parents in India can't (legally) know their baby's sex until they are born. If it turns out it's a girl they can only resort to killing the baby once it is born - also banned for obvious reasons.

This would not be a problem if gender inequality issues were addressed.
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Postby Saiwania » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:26 am

The South Falls wrote:Here we go again. If I, a black guy, live next to you, and build your house, you're really going to still be angry if, say, on the job, I meet a white lady and have kids?


At minimum, it'd upset me. If you're Black, I'd want you pairing with a Black woman instead or a woman that is sufficiently dark in complexion as to not result in the skin color changing in the next generation. I don't think I'd allow for it, just as I don't want to allow a White man to get with a Black woman and so on.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:26 am

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Ifreann wrote:How can you possibly enforce a law against sex-selective abortion? All a person has to do is lie about why they're having an abortion.

I read that you can tell the sex of your fetus via ultrasound from 16-20 weeks on, so one easy way to enforce a law against sex-selective abortion would be to ban abortion after 16 weeks. It's barely rocket science.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:27 am

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The South Falls wrote:Here we go again. If I, a black guy, live next to you, and build your house, you're really going to still be angry if, say, on the job, I meet a white lady and have kids?


At minimum, it'd upset me. If you're Black, I'd want you pairing with a Black woman instead or a woman that is sufficiently dark in complexion as to not result in the skin color changing in the next generation. I don't think I'd allow for it, just as I don't want to allow a White man to get with a Black woman and so on.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:28 am

Vivolkha wrote:
Ifreann wrote:How can you possibly enforce a law against sex-selective abortion? All a person has to do is lie about why they're having an abortion.

Parents in India can't (legally) know their baby's sex until they are born. If it turns out it's a girl they can only resort to killing the baby once it is born - also banned for obvious reasons.

This would not be a problem if gender inequality issues were addressed.


So presumably clinics take money under the counter to reveal the gender from scans. Otherwise Indian people are really good at guessing.
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Postby Andsed » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:44 am

Saiwania wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Here we go again. If I, a black guy, live next to you, and build your house, you're really going to still be angry if, say, on the job, I meet a white lady and have kids?


At minimum, it'd upset me. If you're Black, I'd want you pairing with a Black woman instead or a woman that is sufficiently dark in complexion as to not result in the skin color changing in the next generation. I don't think I'd allow for it, just as I don't want to allow a White man to get with a Black woman and so on.

Imagine believing you have any right to get upset at a stranger for simply having an interracial relationship. :rofl:

But yeah India has some serious issues regarding how it treats females.
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Postby Saiwania » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:51 am

Andsed wrote:Imagine believing you have any right to get upset at a stranger for simply having an interracial relationship.


I'm not the sort to want to make a scene and confront someone over this, but such a sight would certainly cause me to fume internally. I'm more in favor of this being made into an obscenity law perhaps. If it were illegal for people to publicly or privately display affection outside their racial group.
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Postby EastKekistan » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:57 am

Jolthig wrote:-covering 132 villages (to finish title).

Any parents found to have carried out female foeticide will face legal action, district magistrate says

An investigation into suspected sex-selective abortions has been launched by magistrates in a district of northern India after government data showed none of the 216 children born across 132 villages over three months were girls.

The official birth rate was “alarming” and pointed towards widespread female foeticide, authorities in Uttarkashi, Uttarakhand state, said.

The country outlawed the selective abortion of female foetuses in 1994 but the practice remains commonplace in the country, where parents often see boys as breadwinners and girls as costly liabilities.

The last population census, conducted in 2011, found there were only 943 females per 1,000 males in India.

The area’s recent female birth rate – collected by the local health department – was “suspicious and has highlighted female foeticide”, said Ashish Chauhan, Uttarkashi’s district magistrate.

The 132 villages where no girls were born over three months have all been marked as part of a “red zone”, which means local data will be scrutinised more closely and health workers have been asked to be vigilant.

Any parents found to have carried out female foeticide will face legal action, Mr Chauhan said, in comments reported by the TNN news agency.

Legislative assembly member Gopal Rawat said: “It is shocking to have a zero girl child birth rate in 132 village of the district, as we have rarely heard of seen any incident of female foeticide in the hills.

“I have directed the health department to find out the real cause of such alarming figures and to take serious action to resolve it.”

He added authorities would also launch “a massive awareness campaign” in the hope of reversing the trend.

Last year an Indian government report found about 63 million women were statistically "missing" from the country's population due to a preference for male children.

"Issues relating to son preference are a matter for Indian society as a whole to reflect upon," the report said.

In India's patriarchal society, male children are seen as future breadwinners and caregivers who have an obligation to look after their parents when they age.

Daughters are seen as costly because parents are often pressured to pay dowries when they marry, despite the custom being banned in 1961.

Last year police found 19 aborted female foetuses near a hospital in the state of Maharashtra.

They were discovered by officers investigating the death of a woman who had undergone an illegal abortion.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 15541.html

Holy cow. 132 villages?

Man, this is alarming for India, and I'm glad they're taking steps to eradicate this horrible practice and traditions. No one should abort a child just because they're female. Not only is it morally wrong, but it's also bad for the economy, and it denies future mothers to produce the next generation of people. I hope and pray India may have better enforcement on this issue.

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Postby The South Falls » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:58 am

Saiwania wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Here we go again. If I, a black guy, live next to you, and build your house, you're really going to still be angry if, say, on the job, I meet a white lady and have kids?


At minimum, it'd upset me. If you're Black, I'd want you pairing with a Black woman instead or a woman that is sufficiently dark in complexion as to not result in the skin color changing in the next generation. I don't think I'd allow for it, just as I don't want to allow a White man to get with a Black woman and so on.

And why is this? You prefer an ethno state? There would probably be a reciprocal effect, where a white man may go to a majority-black nation and have kids with a black woman.
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Postby Novus America » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:00 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Vivolkha wrote:Parents in India can't (legally) know their baby's sex until they are born. If it turns out it's a girl they can only resort to killing the baby once it is born - also banned for obvious reasons.

This would not be a problem if gender inequality issues were addressed.


So presumably clinics take money under the counter to reveal the gender from scans. Otherwise Indian people are really good at guessing.


You mean there could be like, corruption in India? Say it ain’t so! :o

In all seriousness passing a law where the rule of law does not exist (such as rural India) of course has limited efficacy.

Changing this is therefore not at all easy.
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Postby Andsed » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:02 am

Saiwania wrote:
Andsed wrote:Imagine believing you have any right to get upset at a stranger for simply having an interracial relationship.


I'm not the sort to want to make a scene and confront someone over this, but such a sight would certainly cause me to fume internally. I'm more in favor of this being made into an obscenity law perhaps. If it were illegal for people to publicly or privately display affection outside their racial group.

Still utterly ridiculous and pathetic to get upset over an interracial relationship.
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Postby Bluelight-R006 » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:02 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Bluelight-R006 wrote:Wouldn’t there still be some white people who, at the start of this deportation, never met black people, and thus their future generations would be white?

Also, what’s the point? I don’t see the disadvantage of being a black person.

He is a racial supremacist, black people are bad that is his point.

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The South Falls wrote:Here we go again. If I, a black guy, live next to you, and build your house, you're really going to still be angry if, say, on the job, I meet a white lady and have kids?


At minimum, it'd upset me. If you're Black, I'd want you pairing with a Black woman instead or a woman that is sufficiently dark in complexion as to not result in the skin color changing in the next generation. I don't think I'd allow for it, just as I don't want to allow a White man to get with a Black woman and so on.

I don’t see how this would affect humanity, bringing it to collapse and ruins. Only worry about things that truly affect our nature. Not something as innocent as skin colour.

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Postby EastKekistan » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:02 am

Sigh. Does every thread in which there is Sai has to be a miscegenation thread?

Well, whatever. Indians aren't a race. More importantly race isn't the same as skin color. I have met very white Indians from places such as Bihar and very dark ones from places such as Tamil Nadu.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:35 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Vivolkha wrote:Parents in India can't (legally) know their baby's sex until they are born. If it turns out it's a girl they can only resort to killing the baby once it is born - also banned for obvious reasons.

This would not be a problem if gender inequality issues were addressed.


So presumably clinics take money under the counter to reveal the gender from scans. Otherwise Indian people are really good at guessing.

You can see on the ultrasound. Sometimes the kid will not roll in the right position to tell, but usually they do.
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So much moralism, zero practicality.
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Postby Des-Bal » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:43 am

Let em do what they want. I'd be against any solution to this problem that required moderating or penalizing individual behavior, with the obvious exception of definitely no killing babies.
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Postby Heloin » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:47 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
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So presumably clinics take money under the counter to reveal the gender from scans. Otherwise Indian people are really good at guessing.

You can see on the ultrasound. Sometimes the kid will not roll in the right position to tell, but usually they do.

Need to start training fetuses to be modest and cover themselves up during scans to save their lives.

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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:50 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
So presumably clinics take money under the counter to reveal the gender from scans. Otherwise Indian people are really good at guessing.

You can see on the ultrasound. Sometimes the kid will not roll in the right position to tell, but usually they do.


My understanding is that Indian clinics aren't allowed to give parents any ultrasound that reveals the sex of the foetus.
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Postby EastKekistan » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:51 am

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Ethel mermania wrote:You can see on the ultrasound. Sometimes the kid will not roll in the right position to tell, but usually they do.

Need to start training fetuses to be modest and cover themselves up during scans to save their lives.

You know that's not the problem..Instead the patriarchy (literally, not the feminist expanded version of the term) is.

The problem will go away if individual autonomy is protected.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:56 am

At some point girls will become super-valuable out of rarity and there'll be hundreds of families desperately competing to have the village woman marry into their family.
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Postby EastKekistan » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:57 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:At some point girls will become super-valuable out of rarity and there'll be hundreds of families desperately competing to have the village woman marry into their family.

Not really. I think you underestimate the power of trads.
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