‘No girls born’ for past three months in area of India cover

[Des-Bal]

Horrible.

While I am not directly for or against abortion in general, manly allowing for it to exist when the mother's life is in danger or as a tool to protect to poor from being more in poverty, aborting beacuse they don't like the baby's gender is horrible and shouldn't be done.

I don't see the logic to that. If abortion kills a baby then it's generally terrible, if it doesn't then the reason you get one doesn't really matter. Further the motivation here seems to be protecting the poor from poverty since the boys can be expected to earn more for their families. To cap it all off if abortion kills a baby then isn't abortion to avoid poverty morally equivalent to killing your infant so you don't have to feed it?

[Ostroeuropa]

Horrible.

While I am not directly for or against abortion in general, manly allowing for it to exist when the mother's life is in danger or as a tool to protect to poor from being more in poverty, aborting beacuse they don't like the baby's gender is horrible and shouldn't be done.

I don't see the logic to that. If abortion kills a baby then it's generally terrible, if it doesn't then the reason you get one doesn't really matter. Further the motivation here seems to be protecting the poor from poverty since the boys can be expected to earn more for their families. To cap it all off if abortion kills a baby then isn't abortion to avoid poverty morally equivalent to killing your infant so you don't have to feed it?

"What does it take to turn feminists against abortion?".

Now we know.

This is the thing, caring about this issue is inconsistent with the rhetoric and ideals abortion advocates use frequently. They're not "People", so no harm is being done. It's akin to if we just suddenly had more boys being born through genetic circumstance, morally speaking.


I'm inclined to agree with that, since I am an abortion advocate, and since i'm not a feminist I reject their pearl-clutching cries of how misogynistic it is. (Especially as, as Gallo pointed out, fundamentally it is a result of placing more obligations on men than women. You may as well cry and accuse the confederacy of hating white people because blacks are enslaved, a good example of how feminism warps peoples perceptions of an issue.).


However, I recognize that a gender imbalance is probably a detriment to society and social order, and would support action to end it even if it was due to genetics. That means I support a measure to regulate the abortion on the grounds of societal interest. But that opens that door, and well, are you sure you want that door opened?

[EastKekistan]

See, this is why tradition sucks.

Eh depends on the tradition. Many traditions suck, some do not.
The problem is not tradition per se, but the failure to throw out the traditions that are harmful.

Traditionalism is precisely about keeping something not due to its verifiable merits but instead because it is traditional.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Horrible.

While I am not directly for or against abortion in general, manly allowing for it to exist when the mother's life is in danger or as a tool to protect to poor from being more in poverty, aborting beacuse they don't like the baby's gender is horrible and shouldn't be done.

I don't see the logic to that. If abortion kills a baby then it's generally terrible, if it doesn't then the reason you get one doesn't really matter. Further the motivation here seems to be protecting the poor from poverty since the boys can be expected to earn more for their families. To cap it all off if abortion kills a baby then isn't abortion to avoid poverty morally equivalent to killing your infant so you don't have to feed it?

No, you misunderstood. I only tolerate abortion when it saves the mothers life or when people can't afford a baby.

What some parts of India are doing here, is horrible.

[EastKekistan]

They're about to make a region full of incels. No wonder rape in India is catastrophic.

Uh? Why isn't rape in China catastrophic?

[Ostroeuropa]

I don't see the logic to that. If abortion kills a baby then it's generally terrible, if it doesn't then the reason you get one doesn't really matter. Further the motivation here seems to be protecting the poor from poverty since the boys can be expected to earn more for their families. To cap it all off if abortion kills a baby then isn't abortion to avoid poverty morally equivalent to killing your infant so you don't have to feed it?

No, you misunderstood. I only tolerate abortion when it saves the mothers life or when people can't afford a baby.

What some parts of India are doing here, is horrible.

Like Gallo pointed out, the reasoning they use is they cannot afford a girl, but a boy is a financial asset.

[Bear Stearns]

They're about to make a region full of incels. No wonder rape in India is catastrophic.

Uh? Why isn't rape in China catastrophic?

It is not as bad as India.

India is South Africa-tier when it comes to rape, even though it is supposedly a more advanced and educated country.

[Novus America]

Eh depends on the tradition. Many traditions suck, some do not.
The problem is not tradition per se, but the failure to throw out the traditions that are harmful.

Traditionalism is precisely about keeping something not due to its verifiable merits but instead because it is traditional.

Eh, traditionalism and traditions are not the same thing. Sure traditionalists apply some sacred, deep, illogical meaning to tradition, but not everyone who follows some traditions is a traditionalist.

[Scomagia]

I'm not fond of abortion in general so if someone's reason is "it's a girl", that doesn't strike me as much different than "I just don't want it". It seems inconsistent for pro-abortion people to have an issue with one reasoning over another since, as we have heard many times, it's the woman's body and she has bodily sovereignty.

Anyway, I have no solutions to the problem. I may not like abortion in general but illegalizing it is even more immoral, to me.

[EastKekistan]

Uh? Why isn't rape in China catastrophic?

It is not as bad as India.

India is South Africa-tier when it comes to rape, even though it is supposedly a more advanced and educated country.

That's not why. The main reason is of course...race.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

No, you misunderstood. I only tolerate abortion when it saves the mothers life or when people can't afford a baby.

What some parts of India are doing here, is horrible.

Like Gallo pointed out, the reasoning they use is they cannot afford a girl, but a boy is a financial asset.

Thats faulty reasoning on the so called parents part then. A girl can grow up and get a job to afford a living just like a boy can.

[EastKekistan]

Traditionalism is precisely about keeping something not due to its verifiable merits but instead because it is traditional.

Eh, traditionalism and traditions are not the same thing. Sure traditionalists apply some sacred, deep, illogical meaning to tradition, but not everyone who follows some traditions is a traditionalist.

Right. Traditions are often maintained due to inertia rather than traditionalism.

[EastKekistan]

Like Gallo pointed out, the reasoning they use is they cannot afford a girl, but a boy is a financial asset.

Thats faulty reasoning on the so called parents part then. A girl can grow up and get a job to afford a living just like a boy can.

It isn't faulty reasoning. Their assumptions work as long as traditional Indian society won't change.

[Bear Stearns]

It is not as bad as India.

India is South Africa-tier when it comes to rape, even though it is supposedly a more advanced and educated country.

That's not why. The main reason is of course...race.

I'd imagine that in India, much like in South Africa, the rape problem is largely confined to a few social classes.

[Ostroeuropa]

Like Gallo pointed out, the reasoning they use is they cannot afford a girl, but a boy is a financial asset.

Thats faulty reasoning on the so called parents part then. A girl can grow up and get a job to afford a living just like a boy can.

She can, but she's not under an obligation to financially support her parents in retirement. Moreover, marrying her off will cost the parents a dowry, as they are expected to pay the husband to look after her.

A man on the other hand costs no dowry, and is pressured by society to financially support his parents in retirement even if he hates them.

It's a good example of how feminism has not actually delivered equality, and then feminists turning around and crying about foul play because their own botched, selfish vision of equality leaves women with consequences. (see The Pay gap in the west and so on.).

Rather than insist women could also provide for their loved ones and must be allowed to do so to the same degree as men with the same negative reputation if they fail to do so, they just argued women should be able to have jobs and so on. I.E, all of the benefits, none of the obligations.

[Novus America]

Eh, traditionalism and traditions are not the same thing. Sure traditionalists apply some sacred, deep, illogical meaning to tradition, but not everyone who follows some traditions is a traditionalist.

Right. Traditions are often maintained due to inertia rather than traditionalism.

Or sometimes out of pragmatism too. Traditions CAN be logical and pragmatic, although many are not.

[EastKekistan]

That's not why. The main reason is of course...race.

I'd imagine that in India, much like in South Africa, the rape problem is largely confined to a few social classes.

Uh..in South Africa the male rape rate is about 25%. So it is definitely not confined to a few social classes. Instead it is a part of the culture.

[Bear Stearns]

I'd imagine that in India, much like in South Africa, the rape problem is largely confined to a few social classes.

Uh..in South Africa the male rape rate us about 25%.

I guarantee you that about 90% of those rapists belong to one group.

[Katganistan]

Perhaps they could deport them somewhere else for the sake of building other countries and societies?

India's people overall, are too dark in complexion to serve this purpose for most developed countries. It'd be bad if the Indians cause the lighter skin colors to darken in future generations. If a majority brown country has a shortage of men however, they should be sent there instead. Whatever results in more racially homogenous countries is more good in my eyes.

Yes, well, there is nothing intrinsically or aesthetically wrong with brown people, nothing that makes them less intelligent given the same schooling, and in fact light skin tones correlate with higher instances of skin cancer, and light eye colors with age-related macular degeneration.

So pretty much, there are very good reasons for not having inbred populations full of cancer and blindness genes.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Thats faulty reasoning on the so called parents part then. A girl can grow up and get a job to afford a living just like a boy can.

It isn't faulty reasoning. Their assumptions work as long as traditional Indian society won't change.

female labour force participation was at 27% in 2018.

While still a very poor rate that India as a whole needs to work on improving, that is still a significant percent.

Therefor, still faulty reasoning.

[Ostroeuropa]

India's people overall, are too dark in complexion to serve this purpose for most developed countries. It'd be bad if the Indians cause the lighter skin colors to darken in future generations. If a majority brown country has a shortage of men however, they should be sent there instead. Whatever results in more racially homogenous countries is more good in my eyes.

Yes, well, there is nothing intrinsically or aesthetically wrong with brown people, nothing that makes them less intelligent given the same schooling, and in fact light skin tones correlate with higher instances of skin cancer, and light eye colors with age-related macular degeneration.

So pretty much, there are very good reasons for not having inbred populations full of cancer and blindness genes.

Tfw when mods manage to out-racist the resident forum racist.

[EastKekistan]

Uh..in South Africa the male rape rate us about 25%.

I guarantee you that about 90% of those rapists belong to one group.

You mean racial, ethnic or what? Of course.

[Novus America]

Like Gallo pointed out, the reasoning they use is they cannot afford a girl, but a boy is a financial asset.

Thats faulty reasoning on the so called parents part then. A girl can grow up and get a job to afford a living just like a boy can.

You have it backwards. The faulty reasoning is not on the part of the parents. From a purely selfish, am-moral individual perspective aborting a female makes perfect sense, in context of Indian society. The problem is society more than the individual decision.

[Bear Stearns]

I don't feel like reading the OP, can someone tell me if this region is urban or rural?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I wouldn’t be surprised if this just indicative of gendercide at play. Female infanticide as well as female fetal abortions are not uncommon in many parts of India. Rural areas even more.