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Postby Threlizdun » Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:04 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:I don't know why you keep putting community in scare quotes. You can dislike a community, but that doesn't make it not a community.

Because it doesn't resemble an actual community. Colloquially, it is a community, but it bears no resemblance to, for instance, a local religious community or a community of neighbors. It's really more of an association.

Except our community has shared political histories, a vast number of organizations we have operated within, a culture that we have created, and a propensity to gather in spaces organized by and for other queer people. You can say we aren't a "real community" all I want, but literally most of my friends and the people I interact with at this point are queer. We have our own traditions, art, music, slang, in-jokes, and iconography. Yes, it's an actual community.
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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:14 pm

Bread Herbert wrote:
Imperium of Dragonia wrote:The 'oppressed' group who demands tolerance is itself intolerant.
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Why is oppressed in quotations?


Evidently, he doesn't know what the word oppressed means.

Also... Yeah. How can a group that asks for tolerance be intolerant.

It's an oxymoron lots of people ignore.
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Postby Threlizdun » Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:18 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:I don't advocate for that. Queer liberationism contrasts itself with assimilationism, not in the sense of arguing for a seperate society, but in critiquing the idea that we all can or even should try to assimilate into a white supremacist, patriarchal, capitalist, settler colonial state. Further, it links our struggles to the fight for liberation for people of color, indigenous people, women, the working class, and disabled people. It asks that our activism return to a fight for the protection of our most vulnerable, rather than having those in our community who can donate the most money and appear least threatening to cisnormative and heteronormative culture. It's the idea that the culture and lifestyles our community have created are beautiful and worthy of celebration, not watering down so that we can be more acceptable to those complicit in our oppression.


XD oh jeez i shoulda worded that better, I wasn't directing it at you, I was directing it at the people who advocate for that.

But hey I didn't know your position on that so, good enough XD

Ah, sorry. I misunderstood who you were directing that to.
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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:28 pm

Comes Sourly wrote:WELCOME TO ANOTHER EPISODE OF WHY GAYS™ AND LESBIANS™ (BUT MAINLY THESE AWFUL CIS MALE GAYS™) ARE THE WORST PIECES OF SHIT ON EARTH


Yeah, literally nobody ever said that except you.

I'm not against people being cis.

I think you're projecting. :roll:
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Postby Fascist Soyouso » Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:02 pm

Comes Sourly wrote:WELCOME TO ANOTHER EPISODE OF WHY GAYS™ AND LESBIANS™ (BUT MAINLY THESE AWFUL CIS MALE GAYS™) ARE THE WORST PIECES OF SHIT ON EARTH

Woah there, pal. That's a lot of edge, and this is coming from me. Chill lmao.
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Postby Araraukar » Sun Jul 28, 2019 8:13 am

Risottia wrote:
Araraukar wrote:Surprise, surprise, LGBT people are people. In other news, water is wet!

EDIT: Also, 5% of humans are completely straight, 5% are completely gay, about 5% (or was it 3%?) are asexual, and the rest belong on the bisexual continuum in between.

Also, 99% of statistical data reported without any source are made up on the spot.

That's not, though. Look it up yourself if you don't believe me.

Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar wrote:What pseudo science are you using?

If the name Kinsey isn't familiar, you probably don't know, so I suggest educating yourself. It's not a pseudo science like "intelligent design", but an actual real science that explores the human condition in terms of sexuality, sex preferences and related experiences.



I'm a gay nonbinary transmale myself (if that's too difficult, think "gay man" and you'll get close enough), but I've had straight/bi dreams or the random "I wonder what it'd be like to be with a woman" thing, without it completely freaking me out. I'm still not actually attracted to women. I'm also generally speaking not attracted to black (darker-than-your-basic-Latino, for those that keep count) or Far East guys, which I doubt has anything to do with racism and more just "meh, I'll leave them for others", just like I am with women.

Out of my five best friends (people I feel good talking about anything and everything with), two are bisexuals, one is asexual, one is straight, and one isn't certain (and yes they're "proper adult", it's not a phase). Two of them are also transgender. One of them is also nonbinary, three are women and one is a man. So if I think of some of the LGBTA+ categorizations that I might have problems with understanding how they can be real (not saying they and those people aren't, just that I personally have trouble imagining it - it's a fault in my imagination, not the reality), you'd need to go into things like demisexual or similar less well known ones. Maybe if a friend comes out as one, they'll know me well enough to be able to explain it to me properly. :)
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Postby Rosewald » Sat Aug 03, 2019 8:11 am

Springfeal wrote:The past few years have seen more and more progress made in regards to LGBT rights (well except in Africa, Russia, and Islamic world), with many countries legalizing same-sex marriages. I myself have been getting more involved in activism for LGBT rights. However, I have sadly discovered a sad truth.

It seems that even in the LGBT community, there exists high levels of bigotry. I have met many homosexuals that are bigoted towards transgendered people and additionally I have met many homosexuals that flat out believe that bisexuality doesn't exist and hate those who say they are bisexual with a passion. When I asked them why they hated bisexuals so much, I usually got one of two answers. The first answer is that they think that bisexuality doesn't exist and that bisexuals were really just homosexuals that were lying to themselves. The second answer was that they thought that bisexuality was just a phase that confused young people went through.

As a rebuttal to the latter answer, I stated that it is impossible for bisexuality to be a phase since people cannot change their sexual orientation since sexual orientation is the result of genetic and biological factors. I say that while a few people might think they are bisexual when they are really curious, most bisexuals are genuinely bisexual. That shuts up some of biphobes, but shockingly, others stated that they believed that sexual orientation is a choice. This is coming from homosexuals who are active in the LGBT rights movement. The same movement which works to spread the truth that sexual orientation isn't a choice.

I am not saying that every homosexual is biphobic, I have met many that are not. But, unfortunately, I have met many that are.

So what do you think about this bigotry that exists in the LGBT community and what can be done to solve it? Here is my answer. I think that LGBT organizations should distribute more information on bisexuality (at least as much as they do on homosexuality), and bisexuals should do more to become a more prominent force in the LGBT rights movement. If those two things are done then biphobia rates will quickly go down in both the LGBT community and the straight community.


I’m really sorry you’ve had those experiances. It’s wildly hypocritical of those other members of the LGBT community to treat you that. So many people in life are looking for a black and white answer or to pick a side. Sexuality is a spectrum. Most people don’t fit entirely on one side or the other. Before I came out of the closet, I’m gay, I would go out of my way to let me people know I hate gay people. I was dealing with my own insecurities. I guarantee you some of those people that treated you poorly are also dealing with insecurities of their own. Life is so short. There’s so much bigotry and negativity out there. The only real label you or anyone else should be concerned with is ‘happy’. If romantic relationships with both genders make you happy that’s awesome. Never stop being you and never stop perusing what makes you happy!

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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sat Aug 03, 2019 8:14 am

Galloism wrote:
Springfeal wrote:Bisexual implies almost equal attraction to both sexes. The terms heteroflexible and homoflexibile are used to refer to people that lean more one way.

Huh, new terms.

Oh, those terms have been around for a while, but mainly in social networks for erotic lifestyles. NationStates General is not one of those, of course.

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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sat Aug 03, 2019 8:19 am

BrusselsShithole wrote:
Rosewald wrote:
I’m really sorry you’ve had those experiances. It’s wildly hypocritical of those other members of the LGBT community to treat you that. So many people in life are looking for a black and white answer or to pick a side. Sexuality is a spectrum. Most people don’t fit entirely on one side or the other. Before I came out of the closet, I’m gay, I would go out of my way to let me people know I hate gay people. I was dealing with my own insecurities. I guarantee you some of those people that treated you poorly are also dealing with insecurities of their own. Life is so short. There’s so much bigotry and negativity out there. The only real label you or anyone else should be concerned with is ‘happy’. If romantic relationships with both genders make you happy that’s awesome. Never stop being you and never stop perusing what makes you happy!

Globohomo = cultural marxism

A brand new user with an absolutely fascinating name suddenly appears while it still is the always eventful NationStates Summer, throwing a few words in the mix. Never heard of 'globohomo', but 'cultural marxism' is the buzzword often dropped by neonazi/alt-right agitators who like to think they are so very smart.

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Postby Cekoviu » Sat Aug 03, 2019 8:50 am

BrusselsShithole wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:A brand new user with an absolutely fascinating name suddenly appears while it still is the always eventful NationStates Summer, throwing a few words in the mix. Never heard of 'globohomo', but 'cultural marxism' is the buzzword often dropped by neonazi/alt-right agitators who like to think they are so very smart.


Can't you just see the connection between the promotion of homosexuality and the lowering of the birthrate of a nation?

Besides the (((alt-right))) is just a buzzword imo.

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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sat Aug 03, 2019 9:07 am

Cekoviu wrote:Lovely.

He effortlessly ticks all the boxes of the recognition list, doesn't he?

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Aug 03, 2019 9:50 am

BrusselsShithole wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:A brand new user with an absolutely fascinating name suddenly appears while it still is the always eventful NationStates Summer, throwing a few words in the mix. Never heard of 'globohomo', but 'cultural marxism' is the buzzword often dropped by neonazi/alt-right agitators who like to think they are so very smart.


Can't you just see the connection between the promotion of homosexuality and the lowering of the birthrate of a nation?

Besides the (((alt-right))) is just a buzzword imo.


Homosexuals want children too and facilitating them getting them fixes this issue.
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Postby Saciu » Sat Aug 03, 2019 9:55 am

Hating bi people because they're being bi is - guess what - a really shitty thing to do. Thank God we're getting closer and closer to a point where we respect each other.
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Postby Araraukar » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:08 pm

Saciu wrote:Thank God we're getting closer and closer to a point where we respect each other.

Despite "God" being used as a way to drive wedges between straight and non-straight people? ;)
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Us cosmopolitan hammers
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Postby Scomagia » Sat Aug 03, 2019 9:38 pm

Araraukar wrote:
Saciu wrote:Thank God we're getting closer and closer to a point where we respect each other.

Despite "God" being used as a way to drive wedges between straight and non-straight people? ;)

Some people fight for gay rights from an explicitly religious viewpoint. "God" is used in a lot of ways and while it has been used as a tool against non-heterosexual people, it has also been a tool for the reverse.
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Postby The Rich Port » Sat Aug 03, 2019 9:48 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Lovely.

He effortlessly ticks all the boxes of the recognition list, doesn't he?


Makes ya wonder: why the fuck do we keep orphans if people just keep making more kids AND not letting people that can't naturally have kids not adopt them.

For shits and giggles?

"Double oof, little Billy, looks like these other people wanted to have a kid that had their DNA. Better luck next time."

"Oh, what about those two nice ladies... They seem so nice and happy."

"Uh, no, what do you think this is, the Lavender Mafia? You're gonna have a mommy and daddy or not at all and like it, little Billy... You entitled little shit."
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Postby Springfeal » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:58 am

My bisexual friend liked a guy but was rejected by him because he "couldn't make up his mind."

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Postby Imperium of Dragonia » Sun Aug 11, 2019 8:06 pm

Bisexuality is literally about liking both sexes. There is no sensible reason for a group where B means Bisexual to be bigoted towards bi's.
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Postby Nakena » Sun Aug 11, 2019 8:09 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:
BrusselsShithole wrote:Globohomo = cultural marxism

A brand new user with an absolutely fascinating name suddenly appears while it still is the always eventful NationStates Summer, throwing a few words in the mix. Never heard of 'globohomo', but 'cultural marxism' is the buzzword often dropped by neonazi/alt-right agitators who like to think they are so very smart.


Globohomo is the memetic sequel to Cultural Marxism.

But not yet as popular or sucessfull. Probably because its a bit too gay.
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