Biphobia in the LGBT community

[Lanoraie II]

Game mod, being trans is an actual mental illness. It's classified as a mental illness pretty much everywhere.

No, it isn't.

It is. If you experience dysphoria, you have a mental illness.

[Scomagia]

Game mod, being trans is an actual mental illness. It's classified as a mental illness pretty much everywhere.

No, it isn't.

It doesn't matter for this thread anyway because this thread is about bisexuals, not trans. Trans talk unrelated to bisexuals can go in the Trans Thread.

[Cekoviu]

No, it isn't.

It doesn't matter for this thread anyway because this thread is about bisexuals, not trans. Trans talk unrelated to bisexuals can go in the Trans Thread.

Please don't do this to us.

[The Rich Port]

There are indeed bi-phobic people in the LGBT community. The LGBT community in general is very defensive and always on guard due to, you know, being persecuted for millennia, almost, if not as long as, Christians, Jews, and any other persecuted minorities. As a bisexual person myself, I will say this: it's regrettable, but patience and understanding should always be our first option. Only once that option has been exhausted is aggressive defense an option.

A lot of people don't do it out of malice. They do it because they're scared. So the thing I ask people is to please not be scared of me. I'm harmless.

I'm looking for someone to love, same as everybody else.

[Purgatio]

I find it incredibly unlikely that biphobia is some huge phenomenon amongst gays and lesbians given that so many people on Grindr have no issues mentioning openly that they are bi in their bio (which I find unlikely if there were a stigma against bisexuals held by most in the LGBT community). I'm not denying there are obviously individual biphobic gays and lesbians but I'm just saying its a small minority of assholes, who will exist in any community, including straight people.

[Lanoraie II]

I'm looking for someone to love, same as everybody else.

What is love? Baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more...

[The Rich Port]

This may be a bit off-topic in terms of OP's subject, but i felt that this needed to be made clear.


It is impossible to be bisexual.

I liken it to a mental illness as with transgenders; if you are a man, and you like men, you are gay. If you also like women, but are currently dating men, that still makes you gay.

You cannot be 'biphobic' if the very concept of being 'bisexual' is a contradiction in and of itself.

As with transgenders (a bit off-topic sry) - I find it a highly misused term. According to Google's definition, a transgender person is denoted as someone, "whose sense of... ...identity and gender does not correspond with their birth sex.."

To sum it up, you can be a man who likes girly things, dresses like a girl, 'talks' like a girl, but that does not mean that makes said person a girl. If your last pair of chromosomes are XY, then that means you are still a man. Asking people to refer to you as something that you are clearly not is akin to a mental illness;

Say if I were walking around claiming I was the second coming of Christ. People would, right away, ostracize me, laugh at me and dismiss me as loony. But when a man walks around calling himself a woman - asking others to refer to him as such - people encourage that type of behaviour?

But i digress.

Listen, I do not care what you do with your life, and i certainly do not care whether you like men or women. But if you have the need to go out of your way, and assert to me what gender you prefer me to call you, count me out.

If the entire crux of your personality revolves around the self gratification you receive when someone calls you something you are clearly not, you are a shallow human being.

Just be yourself, and don't bother anyone.

You're seriously proposing that it's impossible to like two different things at the same time?

The logic fail is real.

This is like saying because you like apples, it's impossible to like oranges.

Also, yeah, people have been TRYING to be themselves for centuries now. Being gay used to be a fucking crime. Gay marriage became a thing less than a few years ago, for fuck's sake.

Did you even TRY to think before you posted this?

Also, you say you don't care, but you posted a rambling, ranting no-think-piece about it.

[The New California Republic]

This may be a bit off-topic in terms of OP's subject, but i felt that this needed to be made clear.


It is impossible to be bisexual.

I liken it to a mental illness as with transgenders; if you are a man, and you like men, you are gay. If you also like women, but are currently dating men, that still makes you gay.

You cannot be 'biphobic' if the very concept of being 'bisexual' is a contradiction in and of itself.

As with transgenders (a bit off-topic sry) - I find it a highly misused term. According to Google's definition, a transgender person is denoted as someone, "whose sense of... ...identity and gender does not correspond with their birth sex.."

To sum it up, you can be a man who likes girly things, dresses like a girl, 'talks' like a girl, but that does not mean that makes said person a girl. If your last pair of chromosomes are XY, then that means you are still a man. Asking people to refer to you as something that you are clearly not is akin to a mental illness;

Say if I were walking around claiming I was the second coming of Christ. People would, right away, ostracize me, laugh at me and dismiss me as loony. But when a man walks around calling himself a woman - asking others to refer to him as such - people encourage that type of behaviour?

But i digress.

Listen, I do not care what you do with your life, and i certainly do not care whether you like men or women. But if you have the need to go out of your way, and assert to me what gender you prefer me to call you, count me out.

If the entire crux of your personality revolves around the self gratification you receive when someone calls you something you are clearly not, you are a shallow human being.

Just be yourself, and don't bother anyone.

You're seriously proposing that it's impossible to like two different things at the same time?

The logic fail is real.

This is like saying because you like apples, it's impossible to like oranges.

Also, yeah, people have been TRYING to be themselves for centuries now. Being gay used to be a fucking crime. Gay marriage became a thing less than a few years ago, for fuck's sake.

Did you even TRY to think before you posted this?

It's almost as if people have a greater mental capacity than a goldfish and can actually think about more than one thing and want more than one thing at the same time. Who would've guessed?

[Scomagia]

It doesn't matter for this thread anyway because this thread is about bisexuals, not trans. Trans talk unrelated to bisexuals can go in the Trans Thread.

Please don't do this to us.

Do what, suggest that the thread not get derailed into talk about trans again ?

[Cekoviu]

You're seriously proposing that it's impossible to like two different things at the same time?

The logic fail is real.

This is like saying because you like apples, it's impossible to like oranges.

Also, yeah, people have been TRYING to be themselves for centuries now. Being gay used to be a fucking crime. Gay marriage became a thing less than a few years ago, for fuck's sake.

Did you even TRY to think before you posted this?

It's almost as if people have a greater mental capacity than a goldfish and can actually think about more than one thing and want more than one thing at the same time. Who would've guessed?

Hold yer horses, buckaroo.

[Cekoviu]

Please don't do this to us.

Do what, suggest that the thread not get derailed into talk about trans again ?

Send transphobes who are unwilling to change into a place that is used for support and tips.

[The New California Republic]

It's almost as if people have a greater mental capacity than a goldfish and can actually think about more than one thing and want more than one thing at the same time. Who would've guessed?

Hold yer horses, buckaroo.

Yeah I know. My fish also recognises certain cues, it was just a figure of speech.

[The Rich Port]

It's almost as if people have a greater mental capacity than a goldfish and can actually think about more than one thing and want more than one thing at the same time. Who would've guessed?

Hold yer horses, buckaroo.

THERE'S A GOLDFISH IN MY BOOT.

A BISEXUAL GOLDFISH.

[Cekoviu]

Hold yer horses, buckaroo.

Yeah I know. My fish also recognises certain cues, it was just a figure of speech.

Dammit, I just realized I could've said seahorses instead of horses. Wasted opportunity.

[N7eternia]

There are indeed bi-phobic people in the LGBT community. The LGBT community in general is very defensive and always on guard due to, you know, being persecuted for millennia, almost, if not as long as, Christians, Jews, and any other persecuted minorities. As a bisexual person myself, I will say this: it's regrettable, but patience and understanding should always be our first option. Only once that option has been exhausted is aggressive defense an option.

A lot of people don't do it out of malice. They do it because they're scared. So the thing I ask people is to please not be scared of me. I'm harmless.

I'm looking for someone to love, same as everybody else.

Well said. This is the same for me.

[Crockerland]

Biphobia is very disturbing. It seems, for one thing, the radical, homophobic/transphobic "queer movement", unfortunately associated with the LGBT community, does not like that bisexual people are attracted to the two genders. This seems to be a very big problem in the "LGBTTQIAAPPGNCNB+ Community", just look at the psychotic meltdown they had against mayor Pete for not being sufficiently woke and diverse. It seems that they consider bi women "not radical enough to fully commit to the implied lesbian practice of feminist theory," or an "too a-political, too evasive, too namby-pamby, too binary."

Another issue likely contributing to the biphobia and bi erasure is that many gay people identify as bi for brief spans of time when first coming to terms with our sexuality. Nobody is born knowing they're gay, most people figure it out gradually. Anyways, some people with little empathy and lots of ego can project that onto bi people and decide that you just haven't really come to terms with being gay yet, because they, in their infinite narcissism wisdom, know so much better than you about who you are. This is especially something that young bi people will be bombarded with.

In any case, Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Trans people should not feel unwelcome or out of place in our own community.

[Salandriagado]

Wow. So wrong, and yet so opinionated.

Can you elaborate to me why you think this line of thought is wrong?

Apart from all of the blatant transphobic bullshit you shoehorned in there for no reason: it's possible to like more than one thing. For example: I quite like apples. I also quite like oranges. That doesn't mean I'm an apple-lover who happens to eat oranges, or an orange-lover who happens to eat apples. It means that I'm a person who likes both apples and oranges.

[Salandriagado]

Nevertheless, the T in LGB-T should be removed as it's not a sexual orientation.

The LGB and the T go together because they are and have always been allies in the fight against bigotry. Not to mention that there's constant, significant overlap between both because gender is weird and we LGB people tend to love to mess with its weirdness.

Trans people threw bricks at the cops alongside lesbians and gay guys during the Stonewall riots. They can stay, and all the TERF shit and transphobic gay nonsense is gonna have to deal with it.

There's a legitimate argument to make that the challenges posed are different, and need different approaches, and that merging them together tends to lead towards people forgetting the "T": there's the old bullshit "but we've got gay marriage now, why do we need LGBT campaigners?" line, which exemplifies the shitty end of that scale. Similarly, I don't feel like I should be grouped in with the rest of those categories, being asexual: most of the major challenges faced by those groups simply don't affect me, so it feels kinda wrong to put something that has never, at least in my experience, gone beyond some off-colour jokes, to something that still sometimes leads to people being murdered and otherwise denied basic rights.

On another note, I guess we could merge the "L" and "G", for acronym-shortenning purposes: it's not like we actually use "gay" to refer only to gay men anyway.

I always have the question: How is it possible you can have feelings for both men and women?

I honestly believe that you only can have feelings for the opposite or same gender. Though I don't really know the whole definition of Bisexuality

Have you had at least two romantic partners in your life? Did you have feelings for both of them, despite the differences between them? It's exactly like that, except with one particular difference.

[The Rich Port]

*** Warned for trolling ***.

Game mod, being trans is an actual mental illness. It's classified as a mental illness pretty much everywhere and was taken off the DSM solely because of backlash, with very little studies to back up the claims that it isn't a mental illness.

https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-fam ... rt-q-and-a

Gender dysphoria is distinct from both trans-sexuality and being transgender.

Amazing what you find out when you read.

[Scomagia]

Game mod, being trans is an actual mental illness. It's classified as a mental illness pretty much everywhere and was taken off the DSM solely because of backlash, with very little studies to back up the claims that it isn't a mental illness.

https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-fam ... rt-q-and-a

Gender dysphoria is distinct from both trans-sexuality and being transgender.

Amazing what you find out when you read.

And yet this is still the bisexual thread....

[The Rich Port]

https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-fam ... rt-q-and-a

Gender dysphoria is distinct from both trans-sexuality and being transgender.

Amazing what you find out when you read.

And yet this is still the bisexual thread....

Fine, jeez. >_>

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog ... ed-science

But then if I post this the thread is over.

[Threlizdun]

You don't, and no one is saying you owe it to trans people to be attracted to them. But you were claiming you were experiencing biphobia for expressing transphobic viewpoints, and that is false. You were the one coming in here acting like you were being discriminated against for holding blatantly transphobic beliefs.

No, I've experienced biphobia from people like you who immediately try to make it about trans people instead of the fact I don't find the trans condition or modified genitals attractive. And again, you can call me names but I'm all for trans people getting better and figuring out who they are, but I'm very against bodily mutilation and them acting like I'm a big meanie poo poo head for not finding that attractive.

I've literally said nothing but "I'm bi so I like cis men and cis women" and had some trans person on twitter skreee at me for it. It reeks of both insecurity and mental illness to be this overly defensive when a bisexual person excludes them, even though bisexual means being attracted to both genders, typically as they were born, not as they've become.

People calling you out on transphobic statements like "trans people are mentally ill" and that transitioning is "bodily mutilation" isnt about mental illness or insecurity; they're calling you out on your bigotry. What is insecure is the way that you're going around complaining about trans people subjecting you to biphobic attacks when again, no one in this thread has said that you need to be attracted to trans people, merely that the beliefs you expressed are transphobic.

[Threlizdun]

Biphobia is very disturbing. It seems, for one thing, the radical, homophobic/transphobic "queer movement", unfortunately associated with the LGBT community, does not like that bisexual people are attracted to the two genders. This seems to be a very big problem in the "LGBTTQIAAPPGNCNB+ Community", just look at the psychotic meltdown they had against mayor Pete for not being sufficiently woke and diverse. It seems that they consider bi women "not radical enough to fully commit to the implied lesbian practice of feminist theory," or an "too a-political, too evasive, too namby-pamby, too binary."

Another issue likely contributing to the biphobia and bi erasure is that many gay people identify as bi for brief spans of time when first coming to terms with our sexuality. Nobody is born knowing they're gay, most people figure it out gradually. Anyways, some people with little empathy and lots of ego can project that onto bi people and decide that you just haven't really come to terms with being gay yet, because they, in their infinite narcissism wisdom, know so much better than you about who you are. This is especially something that young bi people will be bombarded with.

In any case, Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Trans people should not feel unwelcome or out of place in our own community.

Aside from a very small number of people having a misunderstanding that bisexuality is exclusively attraction to cis men and women and not nonbinary people or trans people, this really hasn't been much of an issue. Most of the "drop the B" campaign was started by right wing trolls trying to create division in the community

I've encountered more biphobia from "gold star gays or lesbians", who pride themselves on never having "dirtied themselves" with sex with someone of another gender. These are fortunately growing rarer, but I've had a number of bi women I know encounter them in lesbian spaces.

[The Rich Port]

Biphobia is very disturbing. It seems, for one thing, the radical, homophobic/transphobic "queer movement", unfortunately associated with the LGBT community, does not like that bisexual people are attracted to the two genders. This seems to be a very big problem in the "LGBTTQIAAPPGNCNB+ Community", just look at the psychotic meltdown they had against mayor Pete for not being sufficiently woke and diverse. It seems that they consider bi women "not radical enough to fully commit to the implied lesbian practice of feminist theory," or an "too a-political, too evasive, too namby-pamby, too binary."

Another issue likely contributing to the biphobia and bi erasure is that many gay people identify as bi for brief spans of time when first coming to terms with our sexuality. Nobody is born knowing they're gay, most people figure it out gradually. Anyways, some people with little empathy and lots of ego can project that onto bi people and decide that you just haven't really come to terms with being gay yet, because they, in their infinite narcissism wisdom, know so much better than you about who you are. This is especially something that young bi people will be bombarded with.

In any case, Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Trans people should not feel unwelcome or out of place in our own community.

Aside from a very small number of people having a misunderstanding that bisexuality is exclusively attraction to cis men and women and not nonbinary people or trans people, this really hasn't been much of an issue. Most of the "drop the B" campaign was started by right wing trolls trying to create division in the community

I've encountered more biphobia from "gold star gays or lesbians", who pride themselves on never having "dirtied themselves" with sex with someone of another gender. These are fortunately growing rarer, but I've had a number of bi women I know encounter them in lesbian spaces.

Considering Crockerland is also anti-queer, it's pretty evident he places too much stock on astroturf minorities as it is.

Answering bigotry with more bigotry is never the answer.

This community flourishes in communication, activism, and understanding, not in pathetic extremes.

Unless it's extreme amounts of love.

Yeah I sounded sappy. Screw y'all. I'm allowed to express my emotions.

[Threlizdun]

Aside from a very small number of people having a misunderstanding that bisexuality is exclusively attraction to cis men and women and not nonbinary people or trans people, this really hasn't been much of an issue. Most of the "drop the B" campaign was started by right wing trolls trying to create division in the community

I've encountered more biphobia from "gold star gays or lesbians", who pride themselves on never having "dirtied themselves" with sex with someone of another gender. These are fortunately growing rarer, but I've had a number of bi women I know encounter them in lesbian spaces.

Considering Crockerland is also anti-queer, it's pretty evident he places too much stock on astroturf minorities as it is.

Answering bigotry with more bigotry is never the answer.

This community flourishes in communication, activism, and understanding, not in pathetic extremes.

Unless it's extreme amounts of love.

Yeah I sounded sappy. Screw y'all. I'm allowed to express my emotions.

Eh, sappy idealism is always needed in a movement. Granted, I still argue that we need to remember our radical origins and the fact that our past heroes were people who threw breaks at cops and engaged in militant direct action, but I'm also one of the queer liberationist types Crockerland seems to fear. Any movement needs its fighters and its lovers. Gatekeepers however aren't helpful.