Biphobia in the LGBT community

[Scomagia]

I think the issue is stupid fucking tribalism, really.

Humans are naturally predisposed to want a feeling of belonging in a group, friends, political beliefs, favorite type of cheese. This isn’t unique in its tribalist similarities, and generally this group provides helpful support and knowledge that can save lives, so I don’t really think this is the greatest example of stupid tribalism. I think racists are better example of stupid tribalism

I think biphobia is an example of the stupidity of sexual tribalism. A rather glaring example, actually.

[Agarntrop]

Saying bisexuality is transphobic is like saying that being gay is misogynist. It simply isn't true.

It's mostly TERFs with this opinion, and they are after all the scum of the earth.

Isn't being transphobic the very nature of a TERF anyway?

[Paleoconservative Citizens]

I don't believe there is an absolute straight, there is at least a slight percentage of same sex attraction, even if it's very minute. Growing up, it's natural to feel attracted to your own sex, even slightly. So I would think most people are actually heteroflexible, but identify as heterosexual.

[Cekoviu]

It's mostly TERFs with this opinion, and they are after all the scum of the earth.

Isn't being transphobic the very nature of a TERF anyway?

Yeah, but it's rare to find one without some fun mixed-in bigotry like despising sex workers and men.

[Lamaredia]

It's mostly TERFs with this opinion, and they are after all the scum of the earth.

Isn't being transphobic the very nature of a TERF anyway?

Yeah, but I was talking more about the second part. TERFs believe that bisexual women are confused lesbians, and that bisexual/homosexual men are misogynists that hate women.

[Scomagia]

I think the issue is stupid fucking tribalism, really.

Riiiight, which provides the misplaced sense of justice.

I guess?

[Thermodolia]

It's stupid and trivial and implies that I have some special solidarity as a bisexual with lesbians, gays, and trans over heterosexuals. That's just not true.

For a majority of the community it is true. Almost all, because it is an overarching term and a community. If you want to pick and choose who you support in the community, you arent really being a true member of the community and support network

What community? The Gay community is by and large extremely toxic and I don’t want any part of that

[Lamaredia]

I mean, bisexuality per definition is attraction to the two sexes, same as homosexuality is attraction to your own sex and heterosexuality is attraction to the opposite sex. Sex and gender are two very different things.

That's not true, though. If you define it by deconstructing it into the independent meanings of the affixes used, yes, but that's not the functional definition. Like, if a completely gay man (Kinsey 6) dates a trans man, he's not bisexual all of a sudden just because the guy doesn't have a dick.

That has actually been a matter of discussion here in my local LGBTQ+ community. One of my acquaintances didn't want to be in a relationship with a FTM-transgendered individual because he was attracted to the male sex. It's an interesting discussion of how each person defines their sexuality for sure.

[Eastern Denmark]

Humans are naturally predisposed to want a feeling of belonging in a group, friends, political beliefs, favorite type of cheese. This isn’t unique in its tribalist similarities, and generally this group provides helpful support and knowledge that can save lives, so I don’t really think this is the greatest example of stupid tribalism. I think racists are better example of stupid tribalism

I think biphobia is an example of the stupidity of sexual tribalism. A rather glaring example, actually.

I mean, yeah? I guess you could look at it that way, the same way it is with homophobia

[Agarntrop]

Isn't being transphobic the very nature of a TERF anyway?

Yeah, but I was talking more about the second part. TERFs believe that bisexual women are confused lesbians, and that bisexual/homosexual men are misogynists that hate women.

They sound like disgusting human beings.

[Eastern Denmark]

For a majority of the community it is true. Almost all, because it is an overarching term and a community. If you want to pick and choose who you support in the community, you arent really being a true member of the community and support network

What community? The Gay community is by and large extremely toxic and I don’t want any part of that

Not the by and large gay community in the media that is centered around Rupauls drag race or whatever hot cheap garbage they’re on now. But like smaller divisions, such as a schools or community’s LGBT group that are generally less toxic and trashy and focus more on education and providing resources. Or some online groups that are the same

[Scomagia]

For a majority of the community it is true. Almost all, because it is an overarching term and a community. If you want to pick and choose who you support in the community, you arent really being a true member of the community and support network

What community? The Gay community is by and large extremely toxic and I don’t want any part of that

Ah, so I'm not alone in not wanting to be in the LGBT "community".

[Cannot think of a name]

I thought the term they went with on this issue was 'bi-erasure'.

[Paleoconservative Citizens]

What community? The Gay community is by and large extremely toxic and I don’t want any part of that

Ah, so I'm not alone in not wanting to be in the LGBT "community".

I am heteroflexible and I don't even want to be Considered LGBT

[Cekoviu]

That's not true, though. If you define it by deconstructing it into the independent meanings of the affixes used, yes, but that's not the functional definition. Like, if a completely gay man (Kinsey 6) dates a trans man, he's not bisexual all of a sudden just because the guy doesn't have a dick.

That has actually been a matter of discussion here in my local LGBTQ+ community. One of my acquaintances didn't want to be in a relationship with a FTM-transgendered individual because he was attracted to the male sex. It's an interesting discussion of how each person defines their sexuality for sure.

That is also a possibility, but the point is really that the requirement can't just be [attracted to one specific sex] to define a sexuality. You definitely can be that and fall under a certain sexuality, but gay people, for example, can also be attracted to pre-op trans people of their gender without being DQed from being gay. And bisexual people can be attracted to binary intersex people without becoming pansexual, too.

[Scomagia]

I thought the term they went with on this issue was 'bi-erasure'.

Who is "they"? I've never used that term. I prefer anti-bi as a descriptor.

[Cekoviu]

I thought the term they went with on this issue was 'bi-erasure'.

Biphobia is more the general idea of being prejudiced towards bisexuals. Bi erasure is its natural consequence.

Ah, so I'm not alone in not wanting to be in the LGBT "community".

I am heteroflexible and I don't even want to be Considered LGBT

Don't worry, I don't think anyone was planning on that.

[Thermodolia]

What community? The Gay community is by and large extremely toxic and I don’t want any part of that

Not the by and large gay community in the media that is centered around Rupauls drag race or whatever hot cheap garbage they’re on now. But like smaller divisions, such as a schools or community’s LGBT group that are generally less toxic and trashy and focus more on education and providing resources. Or some online groups that are the same

And those are still pretty fucking toxic. Where I a guy with a generally masculine personality am told that I have repressed my gayness and that I have internalized homophobia for just having a masculine personality.

[Cekoviu]

I thought the term they went with on this issue was 'bi-erasure'.

Who is "they"? I've never used that term. I prefer anti-bi as a descriptor.

People within the LGBTQ+ community with more internal familiarity, or people who study the community.

[Scomagia]

Who is "they"? I've never used that term. I prefer anti-bi as a descriptor.

People within the LGBTQ+ community with more internal familiarity, or people who study the community.

So just some people.

[Thermodolia]

What community? The Gay community is by and large extremely toxic and I don’t want any part of that

Ah, so I'm not alone in not wanting to be in the LGBT "community".

There’s actually a good chunk of people who dont want to be apart of it. That doesn’t mean I don’t want to have gay friends but I don’t want to segregate myself from the rest of the world based on one thing.

[Cannot think of a name]

I thought the term they went with on this issue was 'bi-erasure'.

Who is "they"? I've never used that term. I prefer anti-bi as a descriptor.

Who's "they"...for fuck's sake...

[Eastern Denmark]

Not the by and large gay community in the media that is centered around Rupauls drag race or whatever hot cheap garbage they’re on now. But like smaller divisions, such as a schools or community’s LGBT group that are generally less toxic and trashy and focus more on education and providing resources. Or some online groups that are the same

And those are still pretty fucking toxic. Where I a guy with a generally masculine personality am told that I have repressed my gayness and that I have internalized homophobia for just having a masculine personality.

Well then you met a pretty garbage group, and I’m sorry you experienced that. But don’t take that and decide that any LGBT group is toxic and harmful, because theyre not

[The South Falls]

They preach acceptance of the unhealthy, but refuse to allow the happy to be happy.

[Scomagia]

Ah, so I'm not alone in not wanting to be in the LGBT "community".

There’s actually a good chunk of people who dont want to be apart of it. That doesn’t mean I don’t want to have gay friends but I don’t want to segregate myself from the rest of the world based on one thing.

Sounds like we are on the same page.