Biphobia in the LGBT community

[Pasong Tirad]

A lot of it really just comes down to ignorance. A lot of people can't see themselves being capable of developing romantic and/or sexual attractions with both males and females, and seeing it as an either/or scenario instead of an and/or one the way bisexuals see it. A lot of biphobia I experienced were people who didn't believe that I was bisexual because I was just using the term bisexual because I "still wasn't ready" to come out as homosexual.

I've been bisexual all my life, but I know I'm gonna be ready to come out as gay one day. Just you wait.

[Isdrona]

I've had very limited experience with the LGBT community, but the few times I have experienced 'biphobia' within it, it didn't seem that hateful or mistrustful. It seemed more like they thought I was confused, and they treated that confusion like it was something pitiable. I think I'd honestly prefer it if they hated me, cause it always felt like such condescending nonsense and half-assed empathy crusading.

As a side note: On more than one occasion I've had flirtatious offers to "settle the question for me" (the question being whether I was really straight or gay). To this day probably the cringiest thing I've ever heard.

[Risottia]

Surprise, surprise, LGBT people are people. In other news, water is wet!

EDIT: Also, 5% of humans are completely straight, 5% are completely gay, about 5% (or was it 3%?) are asexual, and the rest belong on the bisexual continuum in between.

Also, 99% of statistical data reported without any source are made up on the spot.

[Hedge Fund Alsace]

- A complete lack of understanding of sexuality - whom you are currently fucking or dating is not relevant; it is solely a measure of what groups of people you are attracted to. Your argument against bisexuality is completely nonsensical to anyone with even a rudimentary understanding
of sexuality. But I suppose that shouldn't be expected of a summer poster.
- Your own seeming uncertainty as to what you are actually arguing. You first say that the term 'transgender' is misapplied, but before explaining this, you immediately switch into the bullshit 'but Chromosomes^TM' argument, and then finally topping it off with a good ol' 1960s-era "mental illness" argument.
- The flaws inherent in your argument. Let me just put them in a nested list, because I think I'll need it.

• "Transgender" just... isn't a widely misused term. You offer no backup for this wildly inaccurate assertion, so I can pretty much dismiss it out of hand.
• There is no biological equivalence between chromosomes and gender (a psychological, neurological, and social issue). There is a correlation, but not an unwavering causation, as evidenced by people born with vaginas and a female gender identity with XY chromosomes and vice versa. As well as transgender people, obviously.
• You misidentify the nature of transgender people's identification as being based on fulfilling gender roles of the opposite gender. While many transgender people enjoy activities associated with their identified gender, this is not always the case (nor is it in cis people, of course). I, for example, am a woman who enjoys science, gaming to some degree, and many other masculine-associated hobbies. Being transgender is not based on superficial qualities, but on a deep internal disconnect between how the brain and body develop.
• "Asking people to refer to you as something that you are not is akin to a mental illness," is not true even if we take the subject at face value. It could be a symptom of a mental illness, but that is not a mental illness.
• There is actually a basis for transgender people claiming to be a gender different from that associated with their assigned sex, in contrast to your messianic example. Admittedly, the exact scientific understanding of exactly how these things arise and perhaps some additional indicators have not been found yet, but there is still evidence. [1] [2] [3] The current most widely accepted hypothesis, if you're wondering, is that genetic and phenotypic sex develop separately from neurological sex. This explains the disconnect.

kthxbye

I appreciate the time and effort you put into your response, unlike other people who, instead of desiring a constructive argument, resorted to ad hominem.
While i can agree with alot of your points, and that - without a doubt - you are far better educated in this subject matter than I will ever be, I still will continue to hold onto my backward beliefs. Just can't shake off the bigoted yoke from growing up in a Christian Conservative household.

[Te Netherlands]

I always have the question: How is it possible you can have feelings for both men and women?

I honestly believe that you only can have feelings for the opposite or same gender. Though I don't really know the whole definition of Bisexuality

[Drongonia]

I always have the question: How is it possible you can have feelings for both men and women?

I honestly believe that you only can have feelings for the opposite or same gender. Though I don't really know the whole definition of Bisexuality

I guess you'll never know unless you feel that way.

[Vassenor]

I always have the question: How is it possible you can have feelings for both men and women?

I honestly believe that you only can have feelings for the opposite or same gender. Though I don't really know the whole definition of Bisexuality

Just because you don't believe something can be true doesn't mean it isn't true.

[New haven america]

1. I always have the question: How is it possible you can have feelings for both men and women?

2. I honestly believe that you only can have feelings for the opposite or same gender. 3. Though I don't really know the whole definition of Bisexuality

1. You know how some guys like women, and then some who like men? Yeah well, Bi guys, like both. Amazing, I know. Same thing applies to women too, and even trans and non binary people.
2. Have you ever been bi?
3. Bisexuality: romantic attraction, sexual attraction, or sexual behavior toward both males and females.

[Dacoromanian]

This is why you should NOT trust the LGBT Mafia.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I’m probably showing that I still have much English to learn, but…what is “biphodia?”

Fear of feet!

I think OP meant biphobia, fear of bisexual people I’d wager.

[Vassenor]

This is why you should NOT trust the LGBT Mafia.

Personally I don't trust people who think the "LGBT Mafia" is a thing.

[The New California Republic]

I appreciate the time and effort you put into your response, unlike other people who, instead of desiring a constructive argument, resorted to ad hominem.
While i can agree with alot of your points, and that - without a doubt - you are far better educated in this subject matter than I will ever be, I still will continue to hold onto my backward beliefs. Just can't shake off the bigoted yoke from growing up in a Christian Conservative household.

Well that is your loss I guess, that you continue to have these wrong views despite being shown evidence to the contrary.

I always have the question: How is it possible you can have feelings for both men and women?

I honestly believe that you only can have feelings for the opposite or same gender. Though I don't really know the whole definition of Bisexuality

Is it really that difficult to believe that such a thing happens? It's a pretty simple concept...

[Dacoromanian]

This is why you should NOT trust the LGBT Mafia.

Personally I don't trust people who think the "LGBT Mafia" is a thing.

You don't know the underworlds of such a community. And I won't recommend you to check. Unless you're a trained military to enter in the Interpol.
It really exist a large group within LGBT community which make use of rape, drugs, gambling, guns and slavery.

[The New California Republic]

Personally I don't trust people who think the "LGBT Mafia" is a thing.

You don't know the underworlds of such a community. And I won't recommend you to check. Unless you're a trained military to enter in the Interpol.
It really exist a large group within LGBT community which make use of rape, drugs, gambling, guns and slavery.

[citation needed]

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Personally I don't trust people who think the "LGBT Mafia" is a thing.

You don't know the underworlds of such a community. And I won't recommend you to check. Unless you're a trained military to enter in the Interpol.
It really exist a large group within LGBT community which make use of rape, drugs, gambling, guns and slavery.

This reads like a comic book. Or a badly written fanfic.

[Ors Might]

As a kid growing up I always felt disconnected from the LGBT community, even after I started meeting other sexual minorities. Strangely enough, it wasn’t due to any perceived biphobia. It more felt like that if I began to identify with this community built upon nothing but not being straight and/or cis, I’d be declaring my sexuality to be a bigger part of my identity than it really was for me.

I didn’t want to be a bisexual who happened to be me. I was just me and I happened to find both men and women attractive.

On a side note, one of the most offensive things I’ve found about biphobia is how lazy and unoriginal the slurs are. I mean, “breeder”? Seriously? That’s not a slur, that’s a fetish.

[Bread Herbert]

One of my friends is bisexual and he has encountered a lot of biphobia from gay people.

[Lanoraie II]

The only biphobia I've experienced is from (trans/otherkin/"xirple"s) people claiming some sort of -ist for being attracted to males and females and not trans people.

[Threlizdun]

Surprise, surprise, LGBT people are people. In other news, water is wet!

EDIT: Also, 5% of humans are completely straight, 5% are completely gay, about 5% (or was it 3%?) are asexual, and the rest belong on the bisexual continuum in between.

Bisexual implies almost equal attraction to both sexes. The terms heteroflexible and homoflexibile are used to refer to people that lean more one way.

Not really, no. Bisexual is a spectrum that refers to attraction to one's own and other genders. Most bisexual people still have preferences, but that doesn't make them any less bisexual. I'm considerably more attracted to women and nonbinary people than I am to men, but I'm still very comfortable within the bisexual label.

Homoflexible and heteroflexible are fine terms for people who feel more aligned to homosexuality or heterosexuality than they do the term bisexuality, but having a preference in itself in no way invalidates one's bisexuality.

The only biphobia I've experienced is from (trans/otherkin/"xirple"s) people claiming some sort of -ist for being attracted to males and females and not trans people.

If you are referring to the claim that "bi means two and therefore excludes nonbinary people", then that is an unfortunate confusion over the term. The term bisexuality certainly did used to primarily refer to attraction to "both men and women", but has since evolved to generally refer to attraction to one's own and other genders, which may include nonbinary identities.

If however you are saying that you personally are attracted to men and women but not trans people, then that is a transphobic statement, because trans men are men and trans women are women.

[Katganistan]

I always have the question: How is it possible you can have feelings for both men and women?

I honestly believe that you only can have feelings for the opposite or same gender. Though I don't really know the whole definition of Bisexuality

Having sexual/romantic attraction to both men and women is bisexuality.

That you have not experienced it does not mean that no one does.

[Fascist Soyouso]

This is why you should NOT trust the LGBT Mafia.

The wh-
Well I guess at least I can live of my dream of being Majima now that I was in the LGBT Yakuza all along. Good to know.

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I appreciate the time and effort you put into your response, unlike other people who, instead of desiring a constructive argument, resorted to ad hominem.

I guess I don't fucking exist now. Thanks for making me type out something in the middle of the night just to ignore it.

While i can agree with alot of your points, and that - without a doubt - you are far better educated in this subject matter than I will ever be, I still will continue to hold onto my backward beliefs. Just can't shake off the bigoted yoke from growing up in a Christian Conservative household.

Well, you wouldn't be the first. Now if you excuse me I'm gonna go bash my skull in

[Dacoromanian]

You don't know the underworlds of such a community. And I won't recommend you to check. Unless you're a trained military to enter in the Interpol.
It really exist a large group within LGBT community which make use of rape, drugs, gambling, guns and slavery.

[citation needed]

Ok. I'm trying to research and find real evidences. All what I can quote for now are these (outdated) sources:

How the Mafia Once Controlled the New York Gay Scene

LGBT PEOPLE WITH CRIMINAL RECORDSFACE CHALLENGES TO REBUILDING THEIR LIVES

Homosexual Serial Killers

This is why you should NOT trust the LGBT Mafia.

The wh-
Well I guess at least I can live of my dream of being Majima now that I was in the LGBT Yakuza all along. Good to know.

I don't think you was in the Yakuza. They're not going to reveal themselves.

[Liriena]

GAY MAFIA GANG
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[Mettaton-EX]

Personally I don't trust people who think the "LGBT Mafia" is a thing.

You don't know the underworlds of such a community. And I won't recommend you to check. Unless you're a trained military to enter in the Interpol.
It really exist a large group within LGBT community which make use of rape, drugs, gambling, guns and slavery.

if this supposed mafia exists, why haven't they disposed of any prominent homophobes?

[The New California Republic]

[citation needed]

Ok. I'm trying to research and find real evidences. All what I can quote for now are these (outdated) sources:

How the Mafia Once Controlled the New York Gay Scene

LGBT PEOPLE WITH CRIMINAL RECORDSFACE CHALLENGES TO REBUILDING THEIR LIVES

Homosexual Serial Killers

None of that proves there is a gay mafia, just that some criminals happen to be homosexual. Try again.