Should driving stoned be regulated?

[Kowani]

So people are ok with DNA collection without arrest or court order?

Well…I am, yeah.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Driving stoned, distracted, tired, or drunk is dangerous.

Not only to you but to other people.

All of the above should be and are illegal for your safety and the safety of others.

If your driving while tired, pull over to the side of the road and take a nap. Or go to a motel or something.

If you plan on getting drunk, don't plan on driving. Walk, take a train, bus, taxi, uber, or have a buddy who didn't drink any alcohol drive you home.

Plan on getting high, don't drive.

Do not call or text anyone while driving. Whatever you want to tell someone via text or call, it can wait until you parked your car somewhere.

Also, this applies to people being angry before going for a drive. Calm down, then drive when you feel you are calm.

[Scomagia]

You shouldn't drive under the effects of any intoxicant. It's pretty standard stuff.

[Scomagia]

Driving stoned, distracted, tired, or drunk is dangerous.

Not only to you but to other people.

All of the above should be and are illegal for your safety and the safety of others.

If your driving while tired, pull over to the side of the road and take a nap. Or go to a motel or something.

If you plan on getting drunk, don't plan on driving. Walk, take a train, bus, taxi, uber, or have a buddy who didn't drink any alcohol drive you home.

Plan on getting high, don't drive.

Do not call or text anyone while driving. Whatever you want to tell someone via text or call, it can wait until you parked your car somewhere.

Also, this applies to people being angry before going for a drive. Calm down, then drive when you feel you are calm.

Hands free calls should be okay. It's hardly different from talking to a passenger. But otherwise, spot on.

[The New California Republic]

You shouldn't drive under the effects of any intoxicant. It's pretty standard stuff.

Yup. Narcotics alter your mental state and/or perceptions to something other than normal; and when carrying out a task that requires concentration and awareness of one's surroundings, such as driving, it's positively dangerous.

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As someone who loves weed, I can confidently say that driving while high is a bad idea and no one should do it.

I admit to being ignorant about how testing for THC levels works, but I do think just like a small amount of alcohol should be legally okay so should a small amount of weed, but it's better to be cautious and take the bus or get an Uber.

[Caracasus]

Isn't that going to be a bit of a problem if (or let's face it when) it is legalised though? I thought the problem was that the trace chemicals that drug tests pick up on identify cannabis use up to a month after you smoked.

There are tests that only pick up on it up to several hours after taking cannabis:

This saliva test detects the Δ9-THC, which is the molecule of cannabis that can be found specifically in the mouth. The smoke of a marijuana cigarette is full of this molecule. This smoke will contaminate the oral cavity during smoking a joint, and it leaves a trail for several hours. Note: this test detects the same marijuana salivary traces as those sought in the screening carried out at the roadside by the police forces. So this is a true innovation in testing saliva, and not a simple modified urine test.

https://www.narcocheck.com/en/saliva-dr ... -test.html

So a positive test will indicate that a person is still under the influence. It won't detect it if the person smoked da herb more than a few hours ago.

Cheers for the info, that makes a lot more sense then!

[Scomagia]

You shouldn't drive under the effects of any intoxicant. It's pretty standard stuff.

Yup. Narcotics alter your mental state and/or perceptions to something other than normal; and when carrying out a task that requires concentration and awareness of one's surroundings, such as driving, it's positively dangerous.

The greater danger is the loss of reaction time. I haven't noticed it to be as bad from cannabis as from alcohol but it's still real. I juggle and when I juggle under the effects of various intoxicants the reaction time deficiency is crystal clear. If something makes me juggle worse then it's a safe bet it'll make me drive worse, too.

[Scomagia]

As someone who loves weed, I can confidently say that driving while high is a bad idea and no one should do it.

I admit to being ignorant about how testing for THC levels works, but I do think just like a small amount of alcohol should be legally okay so should a small amount of weed, but it's better to be cautious and take the bus or get an Uber.

Yeah, I am sure there's a reasonable level where you're safe to drive. That said, I don't take chances. If I've drank a little or done anything else, I'm not driving.

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There are tests that only pick up on it up to several hours after taking cannabis:


So a positive test will indicate that a person is still under the influence. It won't detect it if the person smoked da herb more than a few hours ago.

I wonder if it works with spice.

I'm biased by a horrible experience with spice like a decade ago but who the hell still touches that shit? The only benefit was that it was legal and easily accessible. Nowadays there is no benefit whatsoever and I don't think anyone in their right mind would ever touch it. If you're breaking the law either way why not get real weed?

[Scomagia]

I wonder if it works with spice.

I'm biased by a horrible experience with spice like a decade ago but who the hell still touches that shit? The only benefit was that it was legal and easily accessible. Nowadays there is no benefit whatsoever and I don't think anyone in their right mind would ever touch it. If you're breaking the law either way why not get real weed?

Spice is legal in some places.

I never touched it, myself. It always seemed very sketchy.

[Caracasus]

Yup. Narcotics alter your mental state and/or perceptions to something other than normal; and when carrying out a task that requires concentration and awareness of one's surroundings, such as driving, it's positively dangerous.

The greater danger is the loss of reaction time. I haven't noticed it to be as bad from cannabis as from alcohol but it's still real. I juggle and when I juggle under the effects of various intoxicants the reaction time deficiency is crystal clear. If something makes me juggle worse then it's a safe bet it'll make me drive worse, too.

Yeah there was a really intersting experiment I saw on tv a while back where they got these pilots to have a couple of drinks, still (back then I think) under the limit. They then rated how badly it had affected them - they all said hardly at all - and then they all had a go in their flight sim.

They all had way worse reaction times than they thought they would. It was quite amazing really.

I think the problem with driving drunk or whatever is that 90 per cent of the time you probably won't crash. Trouble is that one time in ten, or even that one time in twenty when you actually need to think fast and react quickly, you can't. People get away with it a couple of times and think they will be fine. Then they're not.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

I wonder if it works with spice.

I'm biased by a horrible experience with spice like a decade ago but who the hell still touches that shit? The only benefit was that it was legal and easily accessible. Nowadays there is no benefit whatsoever and I don't think anyone in their right mind would ever touch it. If you're breaking the law either way why not get real weed?

Seem to be a fair few people regularly smoking it in the centre of Leicester. I've no idea of cost comparisons, but it's not like there aren't a huge number of cannabis factories in Leicester, so there's no shortage of the real thing.

[Kubra]

Isn't that going to be a bit of a problem if (or let's face it when) it is legalised though? I thought the problem was that the trace chemicals that drug tests pick up on identify cannabis use up to a month after you smoked.

There are tests that only pick up on it up to several hours after taking cannabis:

This saliva test detects the Δ9-THC, which is the molecule of cannabis that can be found specifically in the mouth. The smoke of a marijuana cigarette is full of this molecule. This smoke will contaminate the oral cavity during smoking a joint, and it leaves a trail for several hours. Note: this test detects the same marijuana salivary traces as those sought in the screening carried out at the roadside by the police forces. So this is a true innovation in testing saliva, and not a simple modified urine test.

https://www.narcocheck.com/en/saliva-dr ... -test.html

So a positive test will indicate that a person is still under the influence. It won't detect it if the person smoked da herb more than a few hours ago.

With edibles on the horizon for Canadian legality in a few months, there are still some difficulties.

[Risottia]

If you take weed from drivers, and cars from stoners, only criminals will have weed and cars.

[Xobria]

This is not a question its a yes

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Driving stoned, distracted, tired, or drunk is dangerous.

Not only to you but to other people.

All of the above should be and are illegal for your safety and the safety of others.

If your driving while tired, pull over to the side of the road and take a nap. Or go to a motel or something.

If you plan on getting drunk, don't plan on driving. Walk, take a train, bus, taxi, uber, or have a buddy who didn't drink any alcohol drive you home.

Plan on getting high, don't drive.

Do not call or text anyone while driving. Whatever you want to tell someone via text or call, it can wait until you parked your car somewhere.

Also, this applies to people being angry before going for a drive. Calm down, then drive when you feel you are calm.

Hands free calls should be okay. It's hardly different from talking to a passenger. But otherwise, spot on.

mythbusters did this, no hands free calls are not safe.

[Scomagia]

Hands free calls should be okay. It's hardly different from talking to a passenger. But otherwise, spot on.

mythbusters did this, no hands free calls are not safe.

Interesting, though I'm not exactly going to take Mythbusters as a proper study.

[Ethel mermania]

mythbusters did this, no hands free calls are not safe.

Interesting, though I'm not exactly going to take Mythbusters as a proper study.

Other studies have shown an increase of accidents while on a hands free phone in a car. I dont remember how bad it was, afterall remember from 1 in a billion to 2 in a billion is an 100% increase in events

[Scomagia]

Interesting, though I'm not exactly going to take Mythbusters as a proper study.

Other studies have shown an increase of accidents while on a hands free phone in a car. I dont remember how bad it was, afterall remember from 1 in a billion to 2 in a billion is an 100% increase in events

Mmm. I'll look for myself shortly.

[Supreme Pwnage]

Absolutely. One of the worst things about stoner culture is how they try to normalize stuff like this. I was telling my friends that I drove like a mile after having 2 beers and they yelled at me for a bit for driving under the influence. Another time, my friend was telling us about how he drove a couple towns over while baked out of his mind and how he forgot the difference between a stop sign and a stop light and no one cared.

Also obligatory driving while tired is as bad as driving drunk...

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

I am all for weed decrimminalization and legalization but its still driving under influence.

[US-SSR]

Just because possession of cannabis is allowed, just like alcohol, driving under the influence is not. Example from the Colorado traffic code:

(f) "Driving under the influence" means driving a motor vehicle or vehicle when a person has consumed alcohol or one or more drugs, or a combination of alcohol and one or more drugs, that affects the person to a degree that the person is substantially incapable, either mentally or physically, or both mentally and physically, to exercise clear judgment, sufficient physical control, or due care in the safe operation of a vehicle.
(g) "Driving while ability impaired" means driving a motor vehicle or vehicle when a person has consumed alcohol or one or more drugs, or a combination of both alcohol and one or more drugs, that affects the person to the slightest degree so that the person is less able than the person ordinarily would have been, either mentally or physically, or both mentally and physically, to exercise clear judgment, sufficient physical control, or due care in the safe operation of a vehicle.

Now if one were to take it to court there would probably be some questions about how much was consumed, how do the cops establish influence or impairment, etc., but I'd hazard a guess there are enough precedents from the days when pot was illegal to make matters fairly clear. Bottom line: don't drive buzzed.

[Hladgos]

I spent a pathetic amount of time researching weed related car accidents and came up with very little so I've no opinion until a nice study on top of the google search can show the difference between percentage of weed smonkers and non smonks in accidents. Until then, everyone I've met in Cali has driven high and the only tales I've heard of accidents while high included other drugs, namely alcohol and coke.

[Tekania]

It already is in my state (Virginia). Our code relating to Driving While Intoxicated is worded in such a way to encompass any alcohol or drug that impairs your operation of a motor vehicle whether said drug is legal, illegal, over the counter or prescribed. If you took enough bendryl to impair you, that is a DWI offense under our law.