Would God approve of Guns

[Al Mumtahanah]

He approves of using weapons correctly, same as one's eyes and tongue.

[The Grims]

I am God, and yes, I do in fact approve of guns.

...Wait, God is a Satanist?

Who else should God worship but himself ?

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

Satan's dope, though.

[ElCKuT]

He approves of using weapons correctly, same as one's eyes and tongue.

^This

[Big Jim P]

Satan's dope, though.

Thank you.

[Australian rePublic]

Way to take a Bible verse completely out of context

[MineLegotia and Equestria]

Also btw, the Commandment actually reads 'Thou Shall not Murder' not kill. Kill therefore means you can't kill a focken mosquito, but murder means you can't just kill humans. Just to clarify

[Radiatia]

This thread reminds me of an interesting story I heard in which, when crossbows were first invented, the English refused to use them as they felt it was "un-Christian" to do so, and instead chose to continue using longbows.

I don't really have a view on what a deity I don't believe in may or may not think of guns, other than to point out that this debate has existed in various forms for centuries.

[Big Jim P]

Also btw, the Commandment actually reads 'Thou Shall not Murder' not kill. Kill therefore means you can't kill a focken mosquito, but murder means you can't just kill humans. Just to clarify

For further clarification: not all killing of humans is murder.

[Australian rePublic]

Also btw, the Commandment actually reads 'Thou Shall not Murder' not kill. Kill therefore means you can't kill a focken mosquito, but murder means you can't just kill humans. Just to clarify

Definately, Jesus Himself ate meat, and let's not forget all the rules about animal sacrafice in the Pentatuch

[Big Jim P]

Also btw, the Commandment actually reads 'Thou Shall not Murder' not kill. Kill therefore means you can't kill a focken mosquito, but murder means you can't just kill humans. Just to clarify

Definately, Jesus Himself ate meat, and let's not forget all the rules about animal sacrafice in the Pentatuch

There is also all of the killing necessary to take Israel from the Caananites. Or the destruction of Jericho. I am sure there are other examples.

[Australian rePublic]

Definately, Jesus Himself ate meat, and let's not forget all the rules about animal sacrafice in the Pentatuch

There is also all of the killing necessary to take Israel from the Caananites. Or the destruction of Jericho. I am sure there are other examples.

Actually, God's listed a bunch of reasons why He let the Isralites take Cannan, and He told the Isralites that if they behave in the same fashion, they too, will be expelled

[Big Jim P]

There is also all of the killing necessary to take Israel from the Caananites. Or the destruction of Jericho. I am sure there are other examples.

Actually, God's listed a bunch of reasons why He let the Isralites take Cannan, and He told the Isralites that if they behave in the same fashion, they too, will be expelled

Still supports my point that even biblically, not all killing of humans is murder.

[Erythrean Thebes]

The war which Jesus implied in that verse is a war of rhetoric and discourse against hyprocrisy and falsehood. He did not mean a literal war of physical force. He meant to take the favored tactic of bodily oppression and personal enslavement used by the power-hungry regimes of the ancient world to keep order and wanted to flip it by attacking them where they were weak and feeble, in the realm of moral reasoning and personal integrity. In that sense, through his unanswerable attacks on the low character and the hypocritical lifestyle of the Herodian regime and the majority of the degenerate Jews, he was bringing a sword to slay their wicked lives.

No, God would not have approved of guns. The Bible implies that God does not genuinely approve of anything about mankind. He intended to kill all humans because he was disgusted by them. He was only persuaded not to do so by the humble and quiescent lifestyle of Noah, however the Bible implies that the nicest thing he could say about Noah was that the man was a quaint little weirdo who showed some perverted echo of the original virtue of Adam and Eve.

[Nakena]

The Bible implies that God does not genuinely approve of anything about mankind. He intended to kill all humans because he was disgusted by them. He was only persuaded not to do so by the humble and quiescent lifestyle of Noah, however the Bible implies that the nicest thing he could say about Noah was that the man was a quaint little weirdo who showed some perverted echo of the original virtue of Adam and Eve.

Yeah so why worship something like that?

At the very least the OT should be ditched into the dumpster.

[Erythrean Thebes]

The Bible implies that God does not genuinely approve of anything about mankind. He intended to kill all humans because he was disgusted by them. He was only persuaded not to do so by the humble and quiescent lifestyle of Noah, however the Bible implies that the nicest thing he could say about Noah was that the man was a quaint little weirdo who showed some perverted echo of the original virtue of Adam and Eve.

Yeah so why worship something like that?

At the very least the OT should be ditched into the dumpster.

I can think of 2 reasons

1), first of all, if the Bible seems true to you, that would be one reason why you would believe it. In a certain sense, this is part of the reason why people who grow up Christian from birth believe in Christianity

2), in my opinion, it is erroneous to view the Bible as a set of individual episodes, among which one can pick any individual book or verse and cite it as a standalone law. As a message to mankind, it can only be understood in toto. That means that the Bible is really a single story about how mankind devastated themselves by betraying their creator, but over time slowly won back the favor of God by expiating the sin of their race through a series of trials and tribulations, until at last the final contamination was undone by the voluntary sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

(By the way, if you don't see it this way, then you see it from the Jewish perspective. Viewing the Bible as a historical preserve of all the laws and customs of the chosen people is the Jewish view of the Bible).

Taking it all together, human history under the governance of God turns out to be not unfair or totally desolate. We all know that vice exists, that it is wrong. I don't think any logically sound means of justifying vice as truly good or acceptable exist. Therefore, we know that if wickedness comes to punishment and ruin in the Bible, that's fair and a good thing to see. Therefore, if hypothetically our ancestors were punished for their wrongdoing, what's the complaint? And anyway, it leads up to a particularly wise and ingenious member of our race redeeming us all for his act of heroism and restoring the message of a way of life to the world that wards against doing evil and inspires people to value the merits of doing good with themselves, their minds, and their actions. Those who will recognize the value of that and do it can go to death without the taint of our fallen ancestors. Even if not desirable to many hedonists and prideful tautologists of the millennial age, that's a good and agreeable deal for mankind.


I want to add that the true principled criticism of the Bible is not that it is wrong or unfair, it is that it is most likely false, and cannot be verified by science.

[The Alma Mater]

Taking it all together, human history under the governance of God turns out to be not unfair or totally desolate. We all know that vice exists, that it is wrong. I don't think any logically sound means of justifying vice as truly good or acceptable exist. Therefore, we know that if wickedness comes to punishment and ruin in the Bible, that's fair and a good thing to see. Therefore, if hypothetically our ancestors were punished for their wrongdoing, what's the complaint?

Usually one of these 2:
1. If Adam and Eve had not eaten from the tree of knowledge yet, they cannot be held accountable for any wrongdoing.
2. The punishment does not fit the crime. A boy stealing an apple is doing a bad thing, but pumping him full of lead with a shotgun after which one sets fire to his grandmas home is not an appropiate response.

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The God of the Bible would absolutely approve of guns, considering he told his followers to kill every male and every grown woman in their enemies' country and keep their young girls for sex, so yeah with how efficient guns are at killing I think God would be all about them guns.

[The Alma Mater]

The God of the Bible would absolutely approve of guns, considering he told his followers to kill every male and every grown woman in their enemies' country and keep their young girls for sex, so yeah with how efficient guns are at killing I think God would be all about them guns.

Depends on how bulletproof God himself is. And his angels. And his heavenly son.

[Jeoloba]

Way to take a Bible verse completely out of context

Already addressed this in an edit. You don't have to remind me.

[Jeoloba]

Also btw, the Commandment actually reads 'Thou Shall not Murder' not kill. Kill therefore means you can't kill a focken mosquito, but murder means you can't just kill humans. Just to clarify

Ik I addressed this in Edit 2.

[Venizlobo]

Way to take a Bible verse completely out of context

Already addressed this in an edit. You don't have to remind me.

Australian rePublic could be wrong. His argument seems to be in a spiritual context. This argument is used to justify a lot of things that are in the bible saying the original meaning is wrong and it is a spiritual meaning, changing the literal meaning to fit their view.

[Tombradyonia]

I remember this conversation was started by me in the What if America banned guns forum but stopped, mainly because it was off topic. So I decided to make a forum for it.
In the bible it says "Thou shalt not kill" -Exodus 20:13, and guns were made to do just that. However as most us know, the bible is full of contradictions.

“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.” -Matthew 10:34

This clearly contradicts the quote from the bible "Thou shalt not kill".

So what do you guys think, do you think God would approve of guns, not approve of guns, or not know what god would think because of all those contradictions in the bible?
Edit: Thou shalt not murder sounds better than Thou shalt not kill.
Edit 2: Thou shalt not commit murder is the Original Commandment not Thou shalt not kill.
Edit 3: The contradiction I mentioned before is not a good one so the new one is the Israelites murdering people for their holy land.

It doesn't. The bible's command 'thou shalt not kill' refers only to the devout believers not killing the other devout believers. Just like the islamic quran, the christian bible clearly distinguishes between believers and non believers.

Killing non believers is warmly supported, recommended and is described multiple times in the bible (take Moses ordering his soldiers to basically genocide the Medianites or the mass murder of all Egypt's first born).
The god of the bible loves killing, preferably applying the economies of scale. Remember that story in the bible where this god drowns just about everyone? Including pregnant women? Nothing but endless murder, slaughter, persecution and enslavement of non believers. This book is extremely immoral and so are its teachings.

Satan's dope, though.

Thank you.

I like how according to the stories 'satan' rebelled against 'god'. I mean, who wouldn't? "Worship me and do what I say unquestioningly or else eternal torture", what kind of a bullshit blackmail is that?
Satan is positively a choir boy compared to the mass murdering tyrant 'god' who is vengeful, jealous and very easily triggered into mass slaughter of people it* doesn't like.

*I refer to god and gods as 'it'

[Venizlobo]

I remember this conversation was started by me in the What if America banned guns forum but stopped, mainly because it was off topic. So I decided to make a forum for it.
In the bible it says "Thou shalt not kill" -Exodus 20:13, and guns were made to do just that. However as most us know, the bible is full of contradictions.

This clearly contradicts the quote from the bible "Thou shalt not kill".

So what do you guys think, do you think God would approve of guns, not approve of guns, or not know what god would think because of all those contradictions in the bible?
Edit: Thou shalt not murder sounds better than Thou shalt not kill.
Edit 2: Thou shalt not commit murder is the Original Commandment not Thou shalt not kill.
Edit 3: The contradiction I mentioned before is not a good one so the new one is the Israelites murdering people for their holy land.

It doesn't. The bible's command 'thou shalt not kill' refers only to the devout believers not killing the other devout believers. Just like the islamic quran, the christian bible clearly distinguishes between believers and non believers.

Killing non believers is warmly supported, recommended and is described multiple times in the bible (take Moses ordering his soldiers to basically genocide the Medianites or the mass murder of all Egypt's first born).
The god of the bible loves killing, preferably applying the economies of scale. Remember that story in the bible where this god drowns just about everyone? Including pregnant women? Nothing but endless murder, slaughter, persecution and enslavement of non believers. This book is extremely immoral and so are its teachings.

Thank you.

I like how according to the stories 'satan' rebelled against 'god'. I mean, who wouldn't? "Worship me and do what I say unquestioningly or else eternal torture", what kind of a bullshit blackmail is that?
Satan is positively a choir boy compared to the mass murdering tyrant 'god' who is vengeful, jealous and very easily triggered into mass slaughter of people it* doesn't like.

*I refer to god and gods as 'it'

Yet again another example of changing the meaning of something in the bible. The bible clearly says "Thou shalt not kill". The commandment does not say "Thou shalt not kill, but kill non believers". You are changing the natural and written meaning of something by interpreting it in a way that is was not written to fit your view. That interpretation did not come from gods, it came from you.

[Vassenor]

What would the modern equivalent of "beat your swords into plowshares" be, anyway?