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Would God approve of guns?

Yes, god would approve of guns
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No, god would not approve of guns
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Idk, too many contradictions in the bible
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The New California Republic
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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:26 pm

Kannap wrote:
Jeoloba wrote:Sounds fair enough. However he better do it soon because I am a man of little patience.


There's a person at work who writes that Jesus is coming back soon on the blackboard every single week, so if that mysterious writer is any authority...

As an aside, what is your position on guns Kannap? Genuinely curious.
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Postby Kannap » Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:33 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Kannap wrote:
There's a person at work who writes that Jesus is coming back soon on the blackboard every single week, so if that mysterious writer is any authority...

As an aside, what is your position on guns Kannap? Genuinely curious.


I am personally uncomfortable around them, have never held or fired one but have been near them. I believe mass shootings are an issue we need to do something about but genuinely have no really good, firm idea of what a solution would look like. I believe gun ownership is a right in the United States, and while I've been vehemently anti-gun (even in this forum) years in the past, I'd say I've grown to support the 2nd Amendment more than in the past, I still believe the 1st Amendment is the most important though.
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Postby Risastorstein » Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:36 pm

God prefers killing people himself with giant tsunamis and plagues so I think he would be against guns.

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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:37 pm

Kannap wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:As an aside, what is your position on guns Kannap? Genuinely curious.


I am personally uncomfortable around them, have never held or fired one but have been near them. I believe mass shootings are an issue we need to do something about but genuinely have no really good, firm idea of what a solution would look like. I believe gun ownership is a right in the United States, and while I've been vehemently anti-gun (even in this forum) years in the past, I'd say I've grown to support the 2nd Amendment more than in the past, I still believe the 1st Amendment is the most important though.

Ah cool. I own a few, but perhaps surprisingly in light of that I'm generally supportive of some reasonable restrictions on them.
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Postby Kannap » Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:40 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Kannap wrote:
I am personally uncomfortable around them, have never held or fired one but have been near them. I believe mass shootings are an issue we need to do something about but genuinely have no really good, firm idea of what a solution would look like. I believe gun ownership is a right in the United States, and while I've been vehemently anti-gun (even in this forum) years in the past, I'd say I've grown to support the 2nd Amendment more than in the past, I still believe the 1st Amendment is the most important though.

Ah cool. I own a few, but perhaps surprisingly in light of that I'm generally supportive of some reasonable restrictions on them.


I think most gun owners are generally supportive of reasonable restrictions, just the NRA has created this sense of fear that first comes the reasonable things and then comes an outright ban. So even something that a lot of people agree sound good, like a mental background check turns into "they're going to steal your guns!!!!"
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Postby Griemvarant » Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:45 pm

The original Commandment was "Thou shalt not commit murder" but was later changed to discourage violent solutions to problems. Humanity has always faced threats that can't be avoided and must be killed. In this case, guns are acceptable. Guns used for indiscriminate killing are obviously wrong but that's only a tiny subset of the population. We've seen that banning guns doesn't really affect murder rate, as killers will just find a better way to kill. In order to combat indiscriminate murder we need to address the cultural climates that gather violent minds together.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:55 pm

Kannap wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Ah cool. I own a few, but perhaps surprisingly in light of that I'm generally supportive of some reasonable restrictions on them.


I think most gun owners are generally supportive of reasonable restrictions, just the NRA has created this sense of fear that first comes the reasonable things and then comes an outright ban. So even something that a lot of people agree sound good, like a mental background check turns into "they're going to steal your guns!!!!"


That's not really an incorrect claim tbh. My own state of Washington is a good example of that in action. Back in 2014 it was universal background checks and we were assured that was it. Then came bans for anyone under 21 and creating waiting periods and requiring fees and approvals to buy rifles. Now there's murmurs of implementing an outright assault weapons bans, and I give it a few years max before it happens. The slippery slope argument isn't always wrong.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:56 pm

Kannap wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Ah cool. I own a few, but perhaps surprisingly in light of that I'm generally supportive of some reasonable restrictions on them.


I think most gun owners are generally supportive of reasonable restrictions, just the NRA has created this sense of fear that first comes the reasonable things and then comes an outright ban. So even something that a lot of people agree sound good, like a mental background check turns into "they're going to steal your guns!!!!"


Unfortunately, gun grabbers seem hell bent on proving them right.
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Postby Kannap » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:00 pm

Telconi wrote:
Kannap wrote:
I think most gun owners are generally supportive of reasonable restrictions, just the NRA has created this sense of fear that first comes the reasonable things and then comes an outright ban. So even something that a lot of people agree sound good, like a mental background check turns into "they're going to steal your guns!!!!"


Unfortunately, gun grabbers seem hell bent on proving them right.


Which is unfortunate, really, because the reasonable legislation would be nice by itself.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:03 pm

Kannap wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Unfortunately, gun grabbers seem hell bent on proving them right.


Which is unfortunate, really, because the reasonable legislation would be nice by itself.


It's at the point now where there's nothing to be gained from coming to the table. Appeasement doesn't work on the unappeasable.

Ol' Neville Chamberlain learned this the hard way, and now we have too.
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Postby Falangist Yunnan » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:12 pm

Why not tackle this from a different viewpoint?

Instead of asking trivial questions like these, why not tackle the root of our problems;
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Postby US-SSR » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:14 pm

Not a theist but, despite all the blessing of things that priests do, I don't think the Christian God is in the business of approving or disapproving of them. afaik He's more into actions and motives. He's on record as disapproving of killing regardless of the instrument used to kill.
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:15 pm

Telconi wrote:
Kannap wrote:
I think most gun owners are generally supportive of reasonable restrictions, just the NRA has created this sense of fear that first comes the reasonable things and then comes an outright ban. So even something that a lot of people agree sound good, like a mental background check turns into "they're going to steal your guns!!!!"


Unfortunately, gun grabbers seem hell bent on proving them right.

Nonsense. For years the "gun grabbers" have been meeting them more than halfway with pitiful half-measures like proposed assault weapons bans, micro-stamping bills, closing the gun show loophole, etc.

And gun nuts kept smearing them as "coming for your guns" anyway. This proved beyond a reasonable doubt that reality had no influence on gun nuts' worldview, which should've been no surprise from a worldview built on the idea that a bunch of non-uniformed civilians opening fire on a mass shooter and becoming indistinguishable FROM the shooter was a good idea.

It's only now that we realize that, no matter what we do, we were going to be falsely accused of "coming for your guns," that we have nothing to lose by actually doing so.

Welcome to the natural consequences of crying wolf.
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Postby Trinadaed » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:16 pm

I think God would approve of guns, if used correctly.
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:24 pm

Trinadaed wrote:I think God would approve of guns, if used correctly.

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Like this, I assume.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:29 pm

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Unfortunately, gun grabbers seem hell bent on proving them right.

Nonsense. For years the "gun grabbers" have been meeting them more than halfway with pitiful half-measures like proposed assault weapons bans, micro-stamping bills, closing the gun show loophole, etc.

And gun nuts kept smearing them as "coming for your guns" anyway. This proved beyond a reasonable doubt that reality had no influence on gun nuts' worldview, which should've been no surprise from a worldview built on the idea that a bunch of non-uniformed civilians opening fire on a mass shooter and becoming indistinguishable FROM the shooter was a good idea.

It's only now that we realize that, no matter what we do, we were going to be falsely accused of "coming for your guns," that we have nothing to lose by actually doing so.

Welcome to the natural consequences of crying wolf.



>Pitiful half measures
>gun bans

Yes, the accusations were totally false ...
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Postby Telconi » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:30 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Trinadaed wrote:I think God would approve of guns, if used correctly.

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Like this, I assume.


The book should be a bible tho.
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:33 pm

Telconi wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:
Image
Like this, I assume.


The book should be a bible tho.

The Bible should be the book always slowly sliding without a bookend, left at the bottom of an aesthetically unpleasing pile. It's much more representative of its content and temporal trends in relevance.
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Postby Jeoloba » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:41 pm

Griemvarant wrote:The original Commandment was "Thou shalt not commit murder" but was later changed to discourage violent solutions to problems. Humanity has always faced threats that can't be avoided and must be killed. In this case, guns are acceptable. Guns used for indiscriminate killing are obviously wrong but that's only a tiny subset of the population. We've seen that banning guns doesn't really affect murder rate, as killers will just find a better way to kill. In order to combat indiscriminate murder we need to address the cultural climates that gather violent minds together.

Ik about the original Commandment. I made an Edit addressing it yet it was not in the exact words. I will fix that.
Edit: Never mind I already did address it in the exact words, I just forgot to say it was the original Commandment.
Edit 2: I actually did not it in the exact words. My bad yet again.
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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:45 pm

I am God, and yes, I do in fact approve of guns. 8)
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Postby Jeoloba » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:47 pm

Big Jim P wrote:I am God, and yes, I do in fact approve of guns. 8)

Hey God, which bible is the correct bible?

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Postby Union of Sovereign States and Republics » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:49 pm

Seeing as the original concoction for gunpowder was a potion to create eternal life, I don't think he'd necessarily approve of the powder, which is pretty instrumental in firearms.
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:49 pm

Big Jim P wrote:I am God, and yes, I do in fact approve of guns. 8)

...Wait, God is a Satanist?
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Postby Jeoloba » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:51 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:I am God, and yes, I do in fact approve of guns. 8)

...Wait, God is a Satanist?

No, Satan is God and God is Satan.

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Postby Tokora » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:51 pm

Not for civilians.

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