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Two Senators want Antifa labled domestic terrorists

PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:53 pm
by Union of Sovereign States and Republics
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... spartanntp

Two Republican senators have introduced a nonbinding resolution that would label antifascists — known as antifa — as “domestic terrorists,” doubling down against radical activists who have drawn criticism from conservatives and President Trump.

“Antifa are terrorists, violent masked bullies who ‘fight fascism’ with actual fascism, protected by Liberal privilege,” Sen. Bill Cassidy (R-La.) said in a statement. “Bullies get their way until someone says no. Elected officials must have courage, not cowardice, to prevent terror.”


Hina Shamsi, director of the national security project at the American Civil Liberties Union, told The Washington Post that she opposes labeling groups as domestic terrorists. “It is dangerous and overly broad to use labels that are disconnected [from] actual individual conduct,” she said. “And as we’ve seen how ‘terrorism’ has been used already in this country, any such scheme raises significant due process, equal protection and First Amendment constitutional concerns.”


Designating a group as a domestic terrorist organization expands law enforcement’s ability to investigate it. The label also means that police can not only investigate a specific suspect, but also look into groups that person affiliates with, Neal Katyal, a Georgetown University law professor and former national security adviser, told NPR.

Similar concerns may be the reason the federal government does not make public an official list of domestic terrorist groups, Jerome Bjelopera, a specialist in organized crime and terrorism, wrote in a Congressional Research Service report. The government does include domestic and international terrorists on its terrorist watch list, Bjelopera wrote.


So, as the article says, two republican senators want Antifa declared a terrorist organization.

Personally, I couldn't be more happy about this. Finally taking action against these left-wing versions of the white supremacists is long overdue. While I'm just as anti-supremacist as the next guy, Antifa's not much better, given their blatant lack of respect for the police force, veterans, and anyone who isn't on the left.

Thoughts, NSG?

PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:55 pm
by Pacomia
Yeah, Antifa is a violent extremist organisation with a known history of violence and disturbance. I support this, and I’m a liberal.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:55 pm
by Jack Thomas Lang
Antifa aren't terrorists, and labeling them as such sets a dangerous precedent. They can be violent criminals, and if members of Antifa commit vandalism and violent crimes they should be prosecuted and dealt with by the law. Calling them all terrorists is probably a step too far.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:56 pm
by Ifreann
Nothing to see here, just the GOP trying to ban dissent against Trump.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:56 pm
by Union of Sovereign States and Republics
Pacomia wrote:Yeah, Antifa is a violent extremist organisation with a known history of violence and disturbance. I support this, and I’m a liberal.

If this passes, can't wait for a resolution on PETA.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:57 pm
by Pacomia
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:Antifa aren't terrorists, and labeling them as such sets a dangerous precedent. They can be violent criminals, and if members of Antifa commit vandalism and violent crimes they should be prosecuted and dealt with by the law. Calling them all terrorists is probably a step too far.

Organised criminals?

PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:57 pm
by Zupruicor
Ifreann wrote:Nothing to see here, just the GOP trying to ban dissent against Trump.

Ignoring the fact that Antifa has caused irreparable damage against a Conservative Journalist.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:57 pm
by Pacomia
Union of Sovereign States and Republics wrote:
Pacomia wrote:Yeah, Antifa is a violent extremist organisation with a known history of violence and disturbance. I support this, and I’m a liberal.

If this passes, can't wait for a resolution on PETA.

They’re not terrorists. PETA is annoying, but they don’t deserve legal action.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:58 pm
by Wallenburg
Gotta love fascists protecting fascism by calling anti-fascism "the real fascism".

PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:58 pm
by Jean-Paul Sartre
Zupruicor wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Nothing to see here, just the GOP trying to ban dissent against Trump.

Ignoring the fact that Antifa has caused irreparable damage against a Conservative Journalist.

Who exposed DSA members to Nazis. I’m no fan of Antifa, but he absolutely had it coming.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:59 pm
by Union of Sovereign States and Republics
Pacomia wrote:
Union of Sovereign States and Republics wrote:If this passes, can't wait for a resolution on PETA.

They’re not terrorists. PETA is annoying, but they don’t deserve legal action.

If anything, they're an organized criminal organization. I don't think that anyone wants a group that kidnaps and exterminates domesticated animals and kills 90% of animals in their "care" roaming around on American soil.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:59 pm
by Pacomia
Wallenburg wrote:Gotta love fascists protecting fascism by calling anti-fascism "the real fascism".

They’re sort of fascists, honestly.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:00 pm
by Zupruicor
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
Zupruicor wrote:Ignoring the fact that Antifa has caused irreparable damage against a Conservative Journalist.

Who exposed DSA members to Nazis. I’m no fan of Antifa, but he absolutely had it coming.

Violence is unacceptable, don't defend thugs who use violence to silence their opponents.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:03 pm
by Ifreann
Zupruicor wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Nothing to see here, just the GOP trying to ban dissent against Trump.

Ignoring the fact that Antifa has caused irreparable damage against a Conservative Journalist.

Irreparable damage? Last I heard the alleged journalist was well enough the next day to do TV interviews.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:04 pm
by Pacomia
Zupruicor wrote:
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:Who exposed DSA members to Nazis. I’m no fan of Antifa, but he absolutely had it coming.

Violence is unacceptable, don't defend thugs who use violence to silence their opponents.

I agree with that

PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:04 pm
by Wallenburg
Pacomia wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Gotta love fascists protecting fascism by calling anti-fascism "the real fascism".

They’re sort of fascists, honestly.

They are literally the opposite of fascists. That you disagree with them doesn't make them fascists.
Zupruicor wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Nothing to see here, just the GOP trying to ban dissent against Trump.

Ignoring the fact that Antifa has caused irreparable damage against a Conservative Journalist.

Who makes a living doxxing anti-fascists to fascist groups.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:05 pm
by Jean-Paul Sartre
Zupruicor wrote:
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:Who exposed DSA members to Nazis. I’m no fan of Antifa, but he absolutely had it coming.

Violence is unacceptable, don't defend thugs who use violence to silence their opponents.

Didn’t know doxxing leftists was free speech.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:05 pm
by The Two Jerseys
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:Antifa aren't terrorists, and labeling them as such sets a dangerous precedent. They can be violent criminals, and if members of Antifa commit vandalism and violent crimes they should be prosecuted and dealt with by the law. Calling them all terrorists is probably a step too far.

They use violence to further a political goal, that's the textbook definition of terrorism.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:05 pm
by Union of Sovereign States and Republics
Ifreann wrote:
Zupruicor wrote:Ignoring the fact that Antifa has caused irreparable damage against a Conservative Journalist.

Irreparable damage? Last I heard the alleged journalist was well enough the next day to do TV interviews.

Mental damage is much different than physical damage. A person who got hit on the back of the head with a brick may not have the scars the next day, but he may have been traumatized for it, like the innocent person waving an american flag in protest of white supremacy that Antifa beat.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:06 pm
by Ifreann
Zupruicor wrote:
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:Who exposed DSA members to Nazis. I’m no fan of Antifa, but he absolutely had it coming.

Violence is unacceptable, don't defend thugs who use violence to silence their opponents.

Image

That's Ted Cruz with Gavin McInnes, founder of a violent right-wing gang called the Proud Boys.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:07 pm
by Union of Sovereign States and Republics
Ifreann wrote:
Zupruicor wrote:Violence is unacceptable, don't defend thugs who use violence to silence their opponents.

Image

That's Ted Cruz with Gavin McInnes, founder of a violent right-wing gang called the Proud Boys.

There's no picture there.

Edit: My bad, it only loads in quotes. Weird.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:09 pm
by Nova Cyberia
Well, they should be.

Marching out into the streets and beating the shit out of anyone who disagrees with you politically is terrorism.

They're scum. Treat them as such.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:09 pm
by Ifreann
Union of Sovereign States and Republics wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Irreparable damage? Last I heard the alleged journalist was well enough the next day to do TV interviews.

Mental damage is much different than physical damage. A person who got hit on the back of the head with a brick may not have the scars the next day, but he may have been traumatized for it, like the innocent person waving an american flag in protest of white supremacy that Antifa beat.

He was mentally damaged, but up for television interviews? Gosh. Must be serious. We can only hope he some day recovers.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:11 pm
by LiberNovusAmericae
Ifreann wrote:Nothing to see here, just the GOP trying to ban dissent against Trump.

They would need more than a nonbinding resolution to do that. Plus black clad anarchists are not the only people who criticise Trump.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:13 pm
by Nova Cyberia
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Nothing to see here, just the GOP trying to ban dissent against Trump.

They would need more than a nonbinding resolution to do that. Plus black clad anarchists are not the only people who criticise Trump.

It is rather curious to see that Ifreann views treating violent extremists as terrorists as "banning dissent".

Nothing to see here. Just leftist authoritarians being leftist authoritarians.