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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:56 am

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Drongonia wrote:Good. They are domestic terrorists and this is long overdue. It isn't even a left v right issue at this point, it's violence v peace.

Do you actually think that violence is always wrong?

If yes, maybe have a think about why the police carry weapons.

If no, then you haven't actually provided any criticism of the people you are calling domestic terrorists.


Running at people and hitting them with a hammer because you don't agree with them is wrong. Violence in self defense is not wrong. Antifa is not engaged in self defense. I didn't see patriots prayer prowling the streets looking for antifa. I saw their last rally begin with them setting up shop in the park with American flags and some water bottles and ending with tear gas and pepper spray having to be used to disperse the black clad extremists that showed up to attack them
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:58 am

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Drongonia wrote:Good. They are domestic terrorists and this is long overdue. It isn't even a left v right issue at this point, it's violence v peace.


There you have it. Throwing a milkshake at someone is worse terrorism than shooting up a church. :roll:

As it happens today is the 8th anniversary of Anders Breivik murdering a load of children in the hopes of somehow defending his country from Muslim immigration and Cultural Marxists.

Clearly morally equivalent to getting in a fight with fascists.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:59 am

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Drongonia wrote:Good. They are domestic terrorists and this is long overdue. It isn't even a left v right issue at this point, it's violence v peace.


There you have it. Throwing a milkshake at someone is worse terrorism than shooting up a church. :roll:


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Antifa does more than throw milkshakes
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:01 am

Ifreann wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
There you have it. Throwing a milkshake at someone is worse terrorism than shooting up a church. :roll:

As it happens today is the 8th anniversary of Anders Breivik murdering a load of children in the hopes of somehow defending his country from Muslim immigration and Cultural Marxists.

Clearly morally equivalent to getting in a fight with fascists.

No one here is saying that. :roll: We are just saying you are not in the right.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:01 am

Ifreann wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
There you have it. Throwing a milkshake at someone is worse terrorism than shooting up a church. :roll:

As it happens today is the 8th anniversary of Anders Breivik murdering a load of children in the hopes of somehow defending his country from Muslim immigration and Cultural Marxists.

Clearly morally equivalent to getting in a fight with fascists.


Didn't know ganging up on and beating an Asian American journalist who is gay to the point of serious injury and hospitalization was fighting fascism. I always called it felonious assault with intent to do great bodily harm
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:07 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Ifreann wrote:As it happens today is the 8th anniversary of Anders Breivik murdering a load of children in the hopes of somehow defending his country from Muslim immigration and Cultural Marxists.

Clearly morally equivalent to getting in a fight with fascists.


Didn't know ganging up on and beating an Asian American journalist who is gay to the point of serious injury and hospitalization was fighting fascism. I always called it felonious assault with intent to do great bodily harm


And yet he was OK enough to give interviews to FOX the next day after he'd already been discharged from hospital. Some serious injury.

Also it's interesting you always seem to default to the Ngo incident. If Antifa was such a massive domestic terrorist network you'd think there'd be more to work with than just "one guy got beaten up".
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Postby Gormwood » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:09 am

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Rojava Free State wrote:
Didn't know ganging up on and beating an Asian American journalist who is gay to the point of serious injury and hospitalization was fighting fascism. I always called it felonious assault with intent to do great bodily harm


And yet he was OK enough to give interviews to FOX the next day after he'd already been discharged from hospital. Some serious injury.

Also it's interesting you always seem to default to the Ngo incident. If Antifa was such a massive domestic terrorist network you'd think there'd be more to work with than just "one guy got beaten up".

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Postby Big Jim P » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:12 am

Vassenor wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Didn't know ganging up on and beating an Asian American journalist who is gay to the point of serious injury and hospitalization was fighting fascism. I always called it felonious assault with intent to do great bodily harm


And yet he was OK enough to give interviews to FOX the next day after he'd already been discharged from hospital. Some serious injury.

Also it's interesting you always seem to default to the Ngo incident. If Antifa was such a massive domestic terrorist network you'd think there'd be more to work with than just "one guy got beaten up".


They beat up (or attempt to) anyone they disagree with politically. I doubt if any one of them could even identify a real fascist if one bit them on the ass.

Of course, beating someone up (or attempting to) because they don't agree with your politics, is fascism.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:12 am

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Vassenor wrote:
And yet he was OK enough to give interviews to FOX the next day after he'd already been discharged from hospital. Some serious injury.

Also it's interesting you always seem to default to the Ngo incident. If Antifa was such a massive domestic terrorist network you'd think there'd be more to work with than just "one guy got beaten up".

One guy who doxxed a protestor with spinal injury to neo-Nazis.


One claims they were left with a brain haemorrhage that healed remarkably quickly when it came time to sob story it to FOX.

The other was left with actual life changing injuries after being beaten by the Proud Boys.

But clearly the former is the more heinous assault here.
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:16 am

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Rojava Free State wrote:
Didn't know ganging up on and beating an Asian American journalist who is gay to the point of serious injury and hospitalization was fighting fascism. I always called it felonious assault with intent to do great bodily harm


And yet he was OK enough to give interviews to FOX the next day after he'd already been discharged from hospital. Some serious injury.

Also it's interesting you always seem to default to the Ngo incident. If Antifa was such a massive domestic terrorist network you'd think there'd be more to work with than just "one guy got beaten up".

ANTIFA throwing molotov cocktails in Berkeley, California, perhaps?
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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:16 am

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Rojava Free State wrote:
Didn't know ganging up on and beating an Asian American journalist who is gay to the point of serious injury and hospitalization was fighting fascism. I always called it felonious assault with intent to do great bodily harm


And yet he was OK enough to give interviews to FOX the next day after he'd already been discharged from hospital. Some serious injury.

Also it's interesting you always seem to default to the Ngo incident. If Antifa was such a massive domestic terrorist network you'd think there'd be more to work with than just "one guy got beaten up".


Did you not read the links I posted like three or four posts up? It isn't just one incident, these guys are freaking criminals and nothing more
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What about the far right movements like the KKK and NSM?
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Postby Big Jim P » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:20 am

East Ustya wrote:What about the far right movements like the KKK and NSM?


KKK are remnants of terrorist organizations.

NSM? I don't know who those are.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:21 am

East Ustya wrote:What about the far right movements like the KKK and NSM?


The KKK has been considered a terrorist group by almost everyone for a while now. It's this kind of whataboutism that is destroying america, and it has to stop. Like you think most of us don't consider the klan to be terrorists? They are, but that doesn't excuse antifa for basically starting a riot everywhere they go. It doesn't excuse them for looting and burning random businesses in Oakland and Portland the week trump was elected. It doesn't excuse them for attacking reporters. They're still thugs. Is it really hard for people to understand that breaking windows, burning people's property and assaulting random people you disagree with makes you a criminal?
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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:21 am

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East Ustya wrote:What about the far right movements like the KKK and NSM?


KKK are remnants of terrorist organizations.

NSM? I don't know who those are.


The national socialist movement.

They're nazis
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:22 am

East Ustya wrote:What about the far right movements like the KKK and NSM?


We're not allowed to talk about those because it makes it harder to use this to justify sweeping up dissenters in the guise of a counter-terrorist action.
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Postby Big Jim P » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:23 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
East Ustya wrote:What about the far right movements like the KKK and NSM?


The KKK has been considered a terrorist group by almost everyone for a while now. It's this kind of whataboutism that is destroying america, and it has to stop. Like you think most of us don't consider the klan to be terrorists? They are, but that doesn't excuse antifa for basically starting a riot everywhere they go. It doesn't excuse them for looting and burning random businesses in Oakland and Portland the week trump was elected. It doesn't excuse them for attacking reporters. They're still thugs. Is it really hard for people to understand that breaking windows, burning people's property and assaulting random people you disagree with makes you a criminal?


Eventually they will attempt an assault on someone armed and they will be shot dead.

I note a lack of antifa where this is likely to happen.

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Postby East Ustya » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:23 am

Vassenor wrote:
East Ustya wrote:What about the far right movements like the KKK and NSM?


We're not allowed to talk about those because it makes it harder to use this to justify sweeping up dissenters in the guise of a counter-terrorist action.

On Nationstates you mean?
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Postby Big Jim P » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:24 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
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KKK are remnants of terrorist organizations.

NSM? I don't know who those are.


The national socialist movement.

They're nazis


Thanx. Just as bad as antifa then.

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Postby East Ustya » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:25 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
East Ustya wrote:What about the far right movements like the KKK and NSM?


The KKK has been considered a terrorist group by almost everyone for a while now. It's this kind of whataboutism that is destroying america, and it has to stop. Like you think most of us don't consider the klan to be terrorists? They are, but that doesn't excuse antifa for basically starting a riot everywhere they go. It doesn't excuse them for looting and burning random businesses in Oakland and Portland the week trump was elected. It doesn't excuse them for attacking reporters. They're still thugs. Is it really hard for people to understand that breaking windows, burning people's property and assaulting random people you disagree with makes you a criminal?

You are still ignoring my point by diverting attention away from the problem.

I only asked a question, but apparently that is a taboo one in the so called ''land of the free''.
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Postby Big Jim P » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:25 am

Vassenor wrote:
East Ustya wrote:What about the far right movements like the KKK and NSM?


We're not allowed to talk about those because it makes it harder to use this to justify sweeping up dissenters in the guise of a counter-terrorist action.


There is a distinct difference between dissent, and assault/ADW.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:27 am

East Ustya wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
The KKK has been considered a terrorist group by almost everyone for a while now. It's this kind of whataboutism that is destroying america, and it has to stop. Like you think most of us don't consider the klan to be terrorists? They are, but that doesn't excuse antifa for basically starting a riot everywhere they go. It doesn't excuse them for looting and burning random businesses in Oakland and Portland the week trump was elected. It doesn't excuse them for attacking reporters. They're still thugs. Is it really hard for people to understand that breaking windows, burning people's property and assaulting random people you disagree with makes you a criminal?

You are still ignoring my point by dicerting attention away from the problem.


You wanna label them terrorists too? Fine, they're violent thugs who commit horrific acts to further their agendas. They are terrorists in the definition. The KKK has already been targeted multiple times with anti terror legislation including many of the anti mask laws you see in multiple states (former due to klan violence). I agree with the right to be anti fascist but I am against violently attacking random people and vandalism in the name of "fighting fascism"
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Postby Fahran » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:28 am

I wouldn't label them as domestic terrorists in blanket terms, though many of the chapters that appear in the media for provoking riots, heckling people, and engaging in assaults and vandalism to further their ideology are effectively terrorist cells. Honestly, having the police arrest them when they do illegal things or employ better surveillance at protests where masked thugs will be present in large numbers would be a nice start.
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Postby Fahran » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:29 am

Vassenor wrote:
East Ustya wrote:What about the far right movements like the KKK and NSM?


We're not allowed to talk about those because it makes it harder to use this to justify sweeping up dissenters in the guise of a counter-terrorist action.

I want to arrest them when they do naughty things too, frankly.
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