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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:28 pm
by Strahcoin
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Strahcoin wrote:The alt-right is not right-wing. The alt-right believes in a government-planned economy, diving the nation based on ethnicity, suppressing opposing ideologies, and prohibiting immigration. The right believes in a free-market capitalist economy, uniting the nation's people as members of that nation, supporting the freedom of speech, and allowing immigration based on merit. Not to mention that fascism was founded by a student of Marx...


Wait, I thought world peace was good...


ISIS members still remain, but Trump has done so well that ISIS is effectively "defeated". While eliminating ISIS altogether would be ideal, the fact that Trump has gotten far closer than presidents before him is applaudable by itself.

You can have peace without saying you effectively love Kim. That is a stupid excuse.

Trump was obviously joking. He jokes a lot; the people get it, but the media doesn't.

PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:33 pm
by Highever
Strahcoin wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:You can have peace without saying you effectively love Kim. That is a stupid excuse.

Trump was obviously joking. He jokes a lot; the people get it, but the media doesn't.

Yeah sure that's what it is, just a very long, very deep cover joke.

PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:36 pm
by Wallenburg
Strahcoin wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
When the President mentioned that we have "fine people on many sides," or when several GOP congressmen have openly espoused ideas I would consider far-right, I don't think it's a stretch to say that the GOP's condemnations of the alt-right are half-assed at best, and completely disingenuous at worst.

The alt-right is not right-wing. The alt-right believes in a government-planned economy, diving the nation based on ethnicity, suppressing opposing ideologies, and prohibiting immigration. The right believes in a free-market capitalist economy, uniting the nation's people as members of that nation, supporting the freedom of speech, and allowing immigration based on merit. Not to mention that fascism was founded by a student of Marx...

Citing PragerU, a far-right blog channel that has hosted multiple actual fascists, as "proof" that fascism is actually socialism.

Let's just forget that fascists have always and continue to murder socialists because of their fundamental and radical differences.

PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:37 pm
by Washington Resistance Army
Strahcoin wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
When the President mentioned that we have "fine people on many sides," or when several GOP congressmen have openly espoused ideas I would consider far-right, I don't think it's a stretch to say that the GOP's condemnations of the alt-right are half-assed at best, and completely disingenuous at worst.

The alt-right is not right-wing. The alt-right believes in a government-planned economy, diving the nation based on ethnicity, suppressing opposing ideologies, and prohibiting immigration. The right believes in a free-market capitalist economy, uniting the nation's people as members of that nation, supporting the freedom of speech, and allowing immigration based on merit. Not to mention that fascism was founded by a student of Marx...


Pro-tip: stop watching Prager and you'll become a hundred times more proficient at debate.

PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:37 pm
by LiberNovusAmericae
Strahcoin wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:You can have peace without saying you effectively love Kim. That is a stupid excuse.

Trump was obviously joking. He jokes a lot; the people get it, but the media doesn't.

He talks out of his ass, without thinking.

PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:48 pm
by Diopolis
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Union of Sovereign States and Republics wrote:At least he made peace with North Korea, the boogeyman of our time.

It won't last as there really wasn't a deal. He also seems to love Kim's dictatorial rule, which is not a characteristic that should be welcomed in a U.S. President.

I don't care about what Trump thinks of some foreignstani leader. He's gotten us peace in a conflict we badly mishandled from the beginning. That alone earns my respect.

PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:51 pm
by The Xenopolis Confederation
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Strahcoin wrote:Trump was obviously joking. He jokes a lot; the people get it, but the media doesn't.

He talks out of his ass, without thinking.

That's true. Trump speaks in a really stupid manner almost by intention. As if he wants to get people to think he's dumb.

PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:52 pm
by Lanoraie II
Ifreann wrote:
Zupruicor wrote:Ignoring the fact that Antifa has caused irreparable damage against a Conservative Journalist.

Irreparable damage? Last I heard the alleged journalist was well enough the next day to do TV interviews.


You heard wrong. He has brain damage and is having trouble with memory issues and speaking slowly. Not to mention emotional scars.

PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:53 pm
by Seythennia
Strahcoin wrote:The alt-right is not right-wing. The alt-right believes in a government-planned economy, diving the nation based on ethnicity, suppressing opposing ideologies, and prohibiting immigration.

The alt-right is so loosely defined that it's almost impossible to assign any beliefs to it as a whole. It's basically a blanket covering anything from "I'm proud of Confederate history" to "Hitler didn't do enough". Those four beliefs you mentioned are more popular in the latter, who are of course the most vocal of the alt-right.

PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:59 pm
by Distance Running
Major-Tom wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:The alt-right is rightfully condemned by many, and we have alt-right murderers in prison.


When the President mentioned that we have "fine people on many sides," or when several GOP congressmen have openly espoused ideas I would consider far-right, I don't think it's a stretch to say that the GOP's condemnations of the alt-right are half-assed at best, and completely disingenuous at worst.


Enough eisegesis of that line. Trump said there were "fine people on both sides" of the issue of tearing down the Confederate statue (anyone who denies this is not worth the air they breath, much less your time) and directly condemned the white supremacists. If you are using "far right" as a euphemism for "racist", you are guilty of circular reasoning.

The alt-right has never gotten a pass, while Antifa's misdeeds have been buried to the utmost of the lefties' abilities.

PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:59 pm
by Gormwood
Strahcoin wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:You can have peace without saying you effectively love Kim. That is a stupid excuse.

Trump was obviously joking. He jokes a lot; the people get it, but the media doesn't.

Starting to believe this guy's a satirical account like Hiddenrun.

PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:01 pm
by Distance Running
Wallenburg wrote:
Strahcoin wrote:The alt-right is not right-wing. The alt-right believes in a government-planned economy, diving the nation based on ethnicity, suppressing opposing ideologies, and prohibiting immigration. The right believes in a free-market capitalist economy, uniting the nation's people as members of that nation, supporting the freedom of speech, and allowing immigration based on merit. Not to mention that fascism was founded by a student of Marx...

Citing PragerU, a far-right blog channel that has hosted multiple actual fascists, as "proof" that fascism is actually socialism.

Let's just forget that fascists have always and continue to murder socialists because of their fundamental and radical differences.


You do realize that fascists and socialists/communists recognize each other as allies against filthy capitalists? See vote for confirmation of Hitler...

PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:01 pm
by Highever
Wallenburg wrote:
Strahcoin wrote:The alt-right is not right-wing. The alt-right believes in a government-planned economy, diving the nation based on ethnicity, suppressing opposing ideologies, and prohibiting immigration. The right believes in a free-market capitalist economy, uniting the nation's people as members of that nation, supporting the freedom of speech, and allowing immigration based on merit. Not to mention that fascism was founded by a student of Marx...

Citing PragerU, a far-right blog channel that has hosted multiple actual fascists, as "proof" that fascism is actually socialism.

Let's just forget that fascists have always and continue to murder socialists because of their fundamental and radical differences.

Ah PragerU's timeless argument of "Nazis are left wing, socialist is in the NAME you libtards.

Nazis arent nationalist it doesnt matter that it says it in the name."

PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:02 pm
by Washington Resistance Army
Highever wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Citing PragerU, a far-right blog channel that has hosted multiple actual fascists, as "proof" that fascism is actually socialism.

Let's just forget that fascists have always and continue to murder socialists because of their fundamental and radical differences.

Ah PragerU's timeless argument of "Nazis are left wing, socialist is in the NAME you libtards.

Nazis arent nationalist it doesnt matter that it says it in the name."


Okay so I'm familiar with their claims on the former, but did they really say the NSDAP wasn't nationalist?

PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:03 pm
by Distance Running
Highever wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Citing PragerU, a far-right blog channel that has hosted multiple actual fascists, as "proof" that fascism is actually socialism.

Let's just forget that fascists have always and continue to murder socialists because of their fundamental and radical differences.

Ah PragerU's timeless argument of "Nazis are left wing, socialist is in the NAME you libtards.

Nazis arent nationalist it doesnt matter that it says it in the name."


You do realize Nazis can't and couldn't get traction with conservatives, if for no other reason than their abortion position?

PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:05 pm
by Highever
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Highever wrote:Ah PragerU's timeless argument of "Nazis are left wing, socialist is in the NAME you libtards.

Nazis arent nationalist it doesnt matter that it says it in the name."


Okay so I'm familiar with their claims on the former, but did they really say the NSDAP wasn't nationalist?

99%. Let me see if I can track it down.

PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:05 pm
by Washington Resistance Army
Distance Running wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Citing PragerU, a far-right blog channel that has hosted multiple actual fascists, as "proof" that fascism is actually socialism.

Let's just forget that fascists have always and continue to murder socialists because of their fundamental and radical differences.


You do realize that fascists and socialists/communists recognize each other as allies against filthy capitalists? See vote for confirmation of Hitler...


The Red-Brown Alliance is not a thing except in the writings of people like Yockey and a few other third position theoreticians. More often than not they're the most determined of enemies.

PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:06 pm
by Rojava Free State
"the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims." This is the definition of terrorism. This is exactly what antifa does. They are terrorists in the flesh

PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:06 pm
by Distance Running
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Distance Running wrote:
You do realize that fascists and socialists/communists recognize each other as allies against filthy capitalists? See vote for confirmation of Hitler...


The Red-Brown Alliance is not a thing except in the writings of people like Yockey and a few other third position theoreticians. More often than not they're the most determined of enemies.


You can say what you like but you can't change history there chief.

PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:07 pm
by Washington Resistance Army
Distance Running wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Red-Brown Alliance is not a thing except in the writings of people like Yockey and a few other third position theoreticians. More often than not they're the most determined of enemies.


You can say what you like but you can't change history there chief.


I have a feeling only one of us knows the history on this topic lol

PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:08 pm
by Rojava Free State
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Distance Running wrote:
You do realize that fascists and socialists/communists recognize each other as allies against filthy capitalists? See vote for confirmation of Hitler...


The Red-Brown Alliance is not a thing except in the writings of people like Yockey and a few other third position theoreticians. More often than not they're the most determined of enemies.


Communists and fascists have been mortal enemies since day one. Communists support ending the nation state and bringing about worldwide proletariat solidarity while fascists are highly nationalistic and seek to do away with class warfare in favor of loyalty to the nation. As a result, nazis hate communists with a passion and communists hate nazis

PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:09 pm
by Distance Running
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Distance Running wrote:
You can say what you like but you can't change history there chief.


I have a feeling only one of us knows the history on this topic lol


I don't disagree with the literal interpretation of your words. I hope you don't disagree with a literal interpretation of history.

PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:10 pm
by Distance Running
Rojava Free State wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Red-Brown Alliance is not a thing except in the writings of people like Yockey and a few other third position theoreticians. More often than not they're the most determined of enemies.


Communists and fascists have been mortal enemies since day one. Communists support ending the nation state and bringing about worldwide proletariat solidarity while fascists are highly nationalistic and seek to do away with class warfare in favor of loyalty to the nation. As a result, nazis hate communists with a passion and communists hate nazis


Soviets weren't nationalistic at all. But then again, they weren't real Communists were they?

PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:11 pm
by Leninist Haven
Distance Running wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I have a feeling only one of us knows the history on this topic lol


I don't disagree with the literal interpretation of your words. I hope you don't agree with a literal interpretation of history.


Antifa, in its original form in Weimar Germany, was a primarily communist (but also parts liberal, social dem, etc) "organization" (term used loosely) whose purpose was to disrupt Nazi supporters. It was most wellknown for violent clashes against Nazis. I'm not sure how what you're saying even makes sense from Antifa's perspective, let alone Operation Barbarossa's.

PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:12 pm
by Highever
"Hitler was no nationalist." Unfortunately I cant link to the exact time code atm but its near the end.