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I mean, it's apparently free speech to dox right wingersanyone to the right of Trotsky and mount campaigns to get them fired. It goes both ways amigo.
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Postby First American Empire » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:31 am

Eastkilty wrote:While the KKK is deplorable, you still can't go beat up a Klansman for being a Klansman. That's not right, to attack people because of an opinion. If they were to try to attack you, there is nothing wrong with defending yourself. But walking up to a Klansman, or any racist, and then beating them up, when they aren't causing any physical harm to anyone, and are just trying to get on with life, is wrong.


This is a terrible example that doesn't illustrate your point. The KKK is a terrorist group that has killed more Americans than Al-Qaeda or ISIL. Even if a Klansman isn't actively attacking people at that moment, he's still a literal card-carrying member of the deadliest terrorist group in American history, and is thus a major threat to public safety.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:34 am

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Ifreann wrote:"I think this will happen in the future"
"Who is doing that?"

You know what the future is, yeah? You get that it hasn't happened yet?
Out of interest, has there been particularly widespread evidence of private individuals shooting those suspected of being members of other terrorist organisations?

I hear there's a fair number of people who went to fight ISIS.
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Postby Eastkilty » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:38 am

First American Empire wrote:
Eastkilty wrote:While the KKK is deplorable, you still can't go beat up a Klansman for being a Klansman. That's not right, to attack people because of an opinion. If they were to try to attack you, there is nothing wrong with defending yourself. But walking up to a Klansman, or any racist, and then beating them up, when they aren't causing any physical harm to anyone, and are just trying to get on with life, is wrong.


This is a terrible example that doesn't illustrate your point. The KKK is a terrorist group that has killed more Americans than Al-Qaeda or ISIL. Even if a Klansman isn't actively attacking people at that moment, he's still a literal card-carrying member of the deadliest terrorist group in American history, and is thus a major threat to public safety.


You don't go and beat someone up on the street, regardless. In no way is that justifiable. If they are a threat to public security, get the police.

It would actually be a childish, and dangerous, thing to do, and could ignite unwanted tensions.

And it would also be a crime to beat that Klansman up, without provocation (like self-defence, or trying to protect the public from any dangers that man is trying to inflict).
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Postby Hirota » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:54 am

Ifreann wrote:
Hirota wrote:Out of interest, has there been particularly widespread evidence of private individuals shooting those suspected of being members of other terrorist organisations?

I hear there's a fair number of people who went to fight ISIS.
I think you know quite well that's a dodge at an attempt at an answer, and not a very good one.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:00 pm

Hirota wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I hear there's a fair number of people who went to fight ISIS.
I think you know quite well that's a dodge at an attempt at an answer, and not a very good one.

I don't tend to be too pushed about supporting claims I didn't make.
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Postby Hirota » Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:04 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Hirota wrote:I think you know quite well that's a dodge at an attempt at an answer, and not a very good one.

I don't tend to be too pushed about supporting claims I didn't make.
Kind of begs the question of why you even tried, but okay.

Since it's Gormwoods "claim" let them try and defend it.
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Postby Gormwood » Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:17 pm

Hirota wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I don't tend to be too pushed about supporting claims I didn't make.
Kind of begs the question of why you even tried, but okay.

Since it's Gormwoods "claim" let them try and defend it.

You're the one who made up the talking point of private individuals killing terrorists or suspected terrorists. The point I was making is that if these two douchebags succeed in having Antifa classified as a terror group there's a possibility that any left-leaning protest will be labeled Antifa and promptly arrested for terrorism, or if there's a triggerhappy police or few, any perceived flinching will be called an attempted terror attack and deadly force will be used on the demonstrators. I know you like being smug, but try to read objectively before inserting your bias.
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Postby Oceara » Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:25 pm

I have privacy concerns regarding this, as proposed the only use of the label from what I can see would be to increase law enforcement ability to launch investigations and use surveillance on more than individual suspects but everyone they have any communications with. I am not the biggest fan of potentially being spied on because of my twitter follows if someone shoves Antifa or something similar into their Bio.

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Postby Hirota » Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:26 pm

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Hirota wrote:Kind of begs the question of why you even tried, but okay.

Since it's Gormwoods "claim" let them try and defend it.

You're the one who made up the talking point of private individuals killing terrorists or suspected terrorists.
No, that's literally your scenario. I proposed a method to test it - if it had any basis in reality, or was yet another piece of drivel. It's how the scientific method works - someone proposes a hypothesis, someone determines how to test that hypothesis.

The point I was making is that if these two douchebags succeed in having Antifa classified as a terror group there's a possibility that any left-leaning protest will be labeled Antifa and promptly arrested for terrorism, or if there's a triggerhappy police or few, any perceived flinching will be called an attempted terror attack and deadly force will be used on the demonstrators.
Your point was apparently baseless speculation that you have thus far failed to provide any evidence to support will happen.

I know you like being smug, but try to read objectively before inserting your bias.
Please do try and read the rest of my post before writing more insane drivel. Here, I'll make it easier for you:
Hirota wrote:I've not participated in this thread, but I've been reading it. I'm pretty convinced by the arguments that antifa is a faceless mob rather than an organised group, so I disagree with the desires of these two senators. I'm reluctant to use too broad a brush to describe all of antifa as terrorists. It devalues the meaning of the word.

I do think there are certain groups who call themselves antifa who are organised, and provided there is evidence of that particular group being violent...well, that would be a different matter. But they should be evaluated on a case by case basis.
My "bias" is, having considered the arguments, firmly opposed to calling "antifa" as a nebulous term domestic terrorists.

I supposed I'm also biased against people making up fairy tales in their heads too, whilst I'm at it. Maybe I should try and tone down my bias and not judge you so harshly.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:29 pm

Oceara wrote:I have privacy concerns regarding this, as proposed the only use of the label from what I can see would be to increase law enforcement ability to launch investigations and use surveillance on more than individual suspects but everyone they have any communications with. I am not the biggest fan of potentially being spied on because of my twitter follows if someone shoves Antifa or something similar into their Bio.

These are the steps law enforcement must take in order to unearth the secret location of Antifa Headquarters.
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Postby Gormwood » Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:46 pm

Hirota wrote:
Gormwood wrote:You're the one who made up the talking point of private individuals killing terrorists or suspected terrorists.
No, that's literally your scenario. I proposed a method to test it - if it had any basis in reality, or was yet another piece of drivel. It's how the scientific method works - someone proposes a hypothesis, someone determines how to test that hypothesis.

I don't know what country you live in, but in the United Syayes "copper" is accepted as a slang for police.

The point I was making is that if these two douchebags succeed in having Antifa classified as a terror group there's a possibility that any left-leaning protest will be labeled Antifa and promptly arrested for terrorism, or if there's a triggerhappy police or few, any perceived flinching will be called an attempted terror attack and deadly force will be used on the demonstrators.
Your point was apparently baseless speculation that you have thus far failed to provide any evidence to support will happen.

I know you like being smug, but try to read objectively before inserting your bias.
Please do try and read the rest of my post before writing more insane drivel. Here, I'll make it easier for you:
Hirota wrote:I've not participated in this thread, but I've been reading it. I'm pretty convinced by the arguments that antifa is a faceless mob rather than an organised group, so I disagree with the desires of these two senators. I'm reluctant to use too broad a brush to describe all of antifa as terrorists. It devalues the meaning of the word.

I do think there are certain groups who call themselves antifa who are organised, and provided there is evidence of that particular group being violent...well, that would be a different matter. But they should be evaluated on a case by case basis.
My "bias" is, having considered the arguments, firmly opposed to calling "antifa" as a nebulous term domestic terrorists.

I supposed I'm also biased against people making up fairy tales in their heads too, whilst I'm at it. Maybe I should try and tone down my bias and not judge you so harshly.

There you go again being smug and baity.
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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:54 pm

They're closer to street thugs than terrorists, but major community leaders probably should be on some watchlist, though this is assuming their activities haven't already put them on a couple.
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Postby Hirota » Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:56 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Hirota wrote:No, that's literally your scenario. I proposed a method to test it - if it had any basis in reality, or was yet another piece of drivel. It's how the scientific method works - someone proposes a hypothesis, someone determines how to test that hypothesis.

I don't know what country you live in, but in the United Syayes "copper" is accepted as a slang for police.
I'm British, the country that invented the slang word in common usage before the United Syayes [sic] was a country. As interesting as that little sidebar is, I'm still waiting for evidence though.

There you go again being smug and baity.
Mea culpa. I'll try and do better and limit my smug mockery to protect your feelings in the future. But alas, my little character failings are not the topic at hand.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:57 pm

Proctopeo wrote:They're closer to street thugs than terrorists, but major community leaders probably should be on some watchlist, though this is assuming their activities haven't already put them on a couple.

Leftists in the US? Of course they're on a watchlist.
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Postby Gormwood » Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:58 pm

Proctopeo wrote:They're closer to street thugs than terrorists, but major community leaders probably should be on some watchlist, though this is assuming their activities haven't already put them on a couple.

Doesn't sound anything special from what police already to. This bill is just a stunt to invoke Antifa as Commie Mutant Trairors everyone is supposed to be terrified of when they're not laughing at them as weak helpless soyboys.
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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:59 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:They're closer to street thugs than terrorists, but major community leaders probably should be on some watchlist, though this is assuming their activities haven't already put them on a couple.

Leftists in the US? Of course they're on a watchlist.

The times of the Red Scare and HUAC are (for now) over, so you'd probably have to make some ripples in the water to get an eye on you.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:00 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Leftists in the US? Of course they're on a watchlist.

The times of the Red Scare and HUAC are (for now) over, so you'd probably have to make some ripples in the water to get an eye on you.

America's still pretty terrified of the left.
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Hirota wrote:
Gormwood wrote:I don't know what country you live in, but in the United Syayes "copper" is accepted as a slang for police.
I'm British, the country that invented the slang word in common usage before the United Syayes [sic] was a country. As interesting as that little sidebar is, I'm still waiting for evidence though.

There you go again being smug and baity.
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Kubra wrote:
Hirota wrote:I'm British, the country that invented the slang word in common usage before the United Syayes [sic] was a country. As interesting as that little sidebar is, I'm still waiting for evidence though.

Mea culpa. I'll try and do better and limt my smug mockery to protect your feelings in the future. But alas, my little character failings are not the topic at hand.
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Grenartia wrote:As an antifascist (as all truly moral and ethical people should be), this is simply a transparent attempt to eliminate political opposition. First its us, tomorrow it will be the rest of you.

Also, how the fuck can antifa be a "terrorist organization" when its not even a fucking organization?

It is not an attempt to eliminate political opposition. It is an attempt to reduce domestic terrorism.

Even if antifa isn't an "organization", it can still be considered terrorists.

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Postby Vassenor » Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:00 pm

Strahcoin wrote:
Grenartia wrote:As an antifascist (as all truly moral and ethical people should be), this is simply a transparent attempt to eliminate political opposition. First its us, tomorrow it will be the rest of you.

Also, how the fuck can antifa be a "terrorist organization" when its not even a fucking organization?

It is not an attempt to eliminate political opposition. It is an attempt to reduce domestic terrorism.

Even if antifa isn't an "organization", it can still be considered terrorists.

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Also what makes veterans inherently requiring of respect?

Veterans protect our nation from enemies. They risk dying and never seeing their families again so that we would be free. World War II veterans fought Nazi Germany to prevent Hitler from expanding his totalitarian, murderous government to the rest of the world.

Veterans should be respected.


You don't see how labelling something as nebulous as "Antifa" a domestic terrorist group can be abused to suppress dissent?
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Postby Gormwood » Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:02 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Strahcoin wrote:It is not an attempt to eliminate political opposition. It is an attempt to reduce domestic terrorism.

Even if antifa isn't an "organization", it can still be considered terrorists.


Veterans protect our nation from enemies. They risk dying and never seeing their families again so that we would be free. World War II veterans fought Nazi Germany to prevent Hitler from expanding his totalitarian, murderous government to the rest of the world.

Veterans should be respected.


You don't see how labelling something as nebulous as "Antifa" a domestic terrorist group can be abused to suppress dissent?

No chance at all Trump supporters in government will hand out Antifa labels like Oprah.
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Postby Strahcoin » Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:04 pm

Cossack Khanate wrote:Disclaimer: I only read the OP

Frankly, antifa is turning into a domestic terrorist organization. There is nothing political behind this. Whether you are conservative or liberal, hell even if you are anti-fascist or fascist, you can agree that antifa has gone too far too many times in the past, and has disrespected the keepers of the peace.

Unless you are fine with the use of violence to achieve leftist change, then there is no way you can support Antifa’s actions.

Agreed.

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Cossack Khanate wrote:Disclaimer: I only read the OP

Frankly, antifa is turning into a domestic terrorist organization. There is nothing political behind this. Whether you are conservative or liberal, hell even if you are anti-fascist or fascist, you can agree that antifa has gone too far too many times in the past, and has disrespected the keepers of the peace.

Unless you are fine with the use of violence to achieve leftist change, then there is no way you can support Antifa’s actions.


Remember, throwing milkshakes at people is the worst terrorism possible. :roll:

It's rude, disrespectful, and unwarranted. Anyone with common sense knows this.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:05 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
You don't see how labelling something as nebulous as "Antifa" a domestic terrorist group can be abused to suppress dissent?

No chance at all Trump supporters in government will hand out Antifa labels like Oprah.

Wouldn't that be ironic?

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