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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:07 am

Salus Maior wrote:Antifa by their own philosophy are terrorists by definition.

"the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."

Punching a police officer to escape custody: Terrorism.
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Postby Israeli Commonwealth » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:08 am

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Israeli Commonwealth wrote:Oh I am sorry. They are indiscriminately attacking police officer, right wing speakers, conservative lobbyist, etc. Need links?

https://kprcradio.iheart.com/featured/t ... by-police/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mor ... 6d59541de3
https://studybreaks.com/news-politics/a ... s-college/
And there are more.


Still waiting for you to prove that they are levying war against the United States.

Alright here is some food for thought. The Mafia. They did not do much directly against the united states but the united states government got drawn in and they were tried on federal terms. They were not a terror group because they were not political. Antifa is the communist mafia.
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Postby Galloism » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:08 am

Ifreann wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:Antifa by their own philosophy are terrorists by definition.

"the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."

Punching a police officer to escape custody: Terrorism.

I mean, even squinting hard that seems to lack a political aim.
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Postby Israeli Commonwealth » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:09 am

Highever wrote:
Israeli Commonwealth wrote:No the one that was led by Nationalists. Off topic.

Uh yeah, left wing nationalists. Sinn Fein even back then which was the majority of the Revolutionary Dail was left wing.

We can debate this another time mate, I don't want to get in trouble for threadjacking.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:09 am

Israeli Commonwealth wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Still waiting for you to prove that they are levying war against the United States.

Alright here is some food for thought. The Mafia. They did not do much directly against the united states but the united states government got drawn in and they were tried on federal terms. They were not a terror group because they were not political. Antifa is the communist mafia.

Antifa in the US is barley socialist let alone communist
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:09 am

Ifreann wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:Antifa by their own philosophy are terrorists by definition.

"the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."

Punching a police officer to escape custody: Terrorism.


Purely self defense.
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Postby Highever » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:09 am

Israeli Commonwealth wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Still waiting for you to prove that they are levying war against the United States.

Alright here is some food for thought. The Mafia. They did not do much directly against the united states but the united states government got drawn in and they were tried on federal terms. They were not a terror group because they were not political. Antifa is the communist mafia.

Except the part where they are not at all organized, not at all an organization, and not at all based on some sort of structure with a hierarchy and leader.
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:09 am

Israeli Commonwealth wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Still waiting for you to prove that they are levying war against the United States.

Alright here is some food for thought. The Mafia. They did not do much directly against the united states but the united states government got drawn in and they were tried on federal terms. They were not a terror group because they were not political. Antifa is the communist mafia.


I hear straws being grabbed.

So I take it you're admitting your claims that they've committed treason were just hyperbolic bluster?
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Postby Galloism » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:09 am

Israeli Commonwealth wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Still waiting for you to prove that they are levying war against the United States.

Alright here is some food for thought. The Mafia. They did not do much directly against the united states but the united states government got drawn in and they were tried on federal terms. They were not a terror group because they were not political. Antifa is the communist mafia.

That doesn’t really work to describe Antifa - mafias are organized, structured, and have a pretty solid chain of command.

Mafias are neither treasonous nor terrorist, though.
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:10 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Punching a police officer to escape custody: Terrorism.


Purely self defense.


What does Sweden have to do with this?
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Postby Highever » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:10 am

Israeli Commonwealth wrote:
Highever wrote:Uh yeah, left wing nationalists. Sinn Fein even back then which was the majority of the Revolutionary Dail was left wing.

We can debate this another time mate, I don't want to get in trouble for threadjacking.

There is no debate to be had, it is the straight up objective truth.
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Postby Pacomia » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:10 am

Is the Antifa a violent group who should be acknowledged and treated as such? Yes.
Should they be designated domestic terrorists? Maybe.
Will designating them domestic terrorists really do anything? No.

Antifa, as others have said, is not an organisation, although it has clear members. It’s like SJWs.
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Postby Rea » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:11 am

If they're just angry protestors, let them be. Arrest the ones that assault other people or damage property as common criminals.

If Antifa starts turning into an actual armed militant movement like the Symbionese Liberation Army, it has crossed the line into domestic terrorism. But so far I haven't seen that happening.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:11 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Israeli Commonwealth wrote:Alright here is some food for thought. The Mafia. They did not do much directly against the united states but the united states government got drawn in and they were tried on federal terms. They were not a terror group because they were not political. Antifa is the communist mafia.

Antifa in the US is barley socialist let alone communist


Most of them are anarchists as far as I can tell.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:11 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Punching a police officer to escape custody: Terrorism.


Purely self defense.

Am I wrong? Punching a police officer to escape custody is unlawful violence against a civilian in pursuit of political aims. So it is, in fact, terrorism to resist arrest.

Right?
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Postby Galloism » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:12 am

Ifreann wrote:

Am I wrong? Punching a police officer to escape custody is unlawful violence against a civilian in pursuit of political aims. So it is, in fact, terrorism to resist arrest.

Right?

What’s the political aim?
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Postby Pacomia » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:12 am

Rea wrote:If they're just angry protestors, let them be. Arrest the ones that assault other people or damage property as common criminals.

If Antifa starts turning into an actual armed militant group like the Symbionese Liberation Army, it has crossed the line into domestic terrorism. But so far I haven't seen that happening.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:12 am

Pacomia wrote:Is the Antifa a violent group who should be acknowledged and treated as such? Yes.
Should they be designated domestic terrorists? Maybe.
Will designating them domestic terrorists really do anything? No.

Antifa, as others have said, is not an organisation, although it has clear members. It’s like SJWs.

This ^^ I must say that it is annoying when Antifa supporters scream when the term "member" is used, forgetting that "member" does not only apply to official organizations.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:12 am

Ifreann wrote:

Am I wrong? Punching a police officer to escape custody is unlawful violence against a civilian in pursuit of political aims. So it is, in fact, terrorism to resist arrest.

Right?


Police officers usually aren't considered civilians in the colloquial sense.
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Postby Pacomia » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:13 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Antifa in the US is barley socialist let alone communist


Most of them are anarchists as far as I can tell.

Anarchy is their main ideology, some are also far left. Almost all are socially far leftist.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:13 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Antifa in the US is barley socialist let alone communist


Most of them are anarchists as far as I can tell.

From what I’ve found they are a bunch of liberals who don’t like trump
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Postby Israeli Commonwealth » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:13 am

Highever wrote:
Israeli Commonwealth wrote:Alright here is some food for thought. The Mafia. They did not do much directly against the united states but the united states government got drawn in and they were tried on federal terms. They were not a terror group because they were not political. Antifa is the communist mafia.

Except the part where they are not at all organized, not at all an organization, and not at all based on some sort of structure with a hierarchy and leader.

https://refusefascism.org/
https://phillyantifa.org/
https://www.facebook.com/antiFaUSA
https://torchantifa.org/
https://antifascistnetwork.org/
"NO organization" "No hierarchy"
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:13 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Am I wrong? Punching a police officer to escape custody is unlawful violence against a civilian in pursuit of political aims. So it is, in fact, terrorism to resist arrest.

Right?


Police officers usually aren't considered civilians in the colloquial sense.

If Sam Vimes says they're civilians, they're civilians.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:15 am

Israeli Commonwealth wrote:
Highever wrote:Except the part where they are not at all organized, not at all an organization, and not at all based on some sort of structure with a hierarchy and leader.

https://refusefascism.org/
https://phillyantifa.org/
https://www.facebook.com/antiFaUSA
https://torchantifa.org/
https://antifascistnetwork.org/
"NO organization" "No hierarchy"

None of that proves that Antifa is organized
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:15 am

Israeli Commonwealth wrote:
Highever wrote:Except the part where they are not at all organized, not at all an organization, and not at all based on some sort of structure with a hierarchy and leader.

https://refusefascism.org/
https://phillyantifa.org/
https://www.facebook.com/antiFaUSA
https://torchantifa.org/
https://antifascistnetwork.org/
"NO organization" "No hierarchy"


So are you actually going to prove that all of the various disparate Antifa movements have committed treason or not?
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