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Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:36 am**

Israeli Commonwealth wrote:
Galloism wrote:Beaten for carrying an American flag. Unbelievable.

Yeah. Here is my belief...
If you don't like the best country on Earth, the United States of America, then fucking leave faggot.

We aren’t the best nation on earth. The US is a great nation but there are many ways in which we can be better

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:37 am**

Israeli Commonwealth wrote:
Highever wrote:I would say it isnt debateable at all that it is certainly not THE best in the world. It's in the top like, 10 sure, but hardly the best.

Sorry, I am very patriotic. But my belief stands. If you are in the US you should love her. You may not always agree with her, like I disagreed with Clinton Bush and Obama but I still loved the United States.

To blindly and nonsensically say it is perfect and the best and not acknowledge its flaws in order to work to fix them and improve the nation is the opposite of loving the country really.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:37 am**

Vassenor wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:That statement, stupid as it is, isn't advocating censorship.

No, it's advocating deporting people for their political views.

Funny. Antifa supports killing people for the political views.

Check mate

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:37 am**

Thermodolia wrote:
Israeli Commonwealth wrote:Yeah. Here is my belief...
If you don't like the best country on Earth, the United States of America, then fucking leave faggot.

We aren’t the best nation on earth. The US is a great nation but there are many ways in which we can be better

What nations would you say are better? Certainly not the UK.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:38 am**

Highever wrote:
Israeli Commonwealth wrote:Sorry, I am very patriotic. But my belief stands. If you are in the US you should love her. You may not always agree with her, like I disagreed with Clinton Bush and Obama but I still loved the United States.

To blindly and nonsensically say it is perfect and the best and not acknowledge its flaws in order to work to fix them and improve the nation is the opposite of loving the country really.

No. Nothing is perfect. But to me America is ideal. Flaws? Yes. Namely Antifa. Shootings, debt, and the restriction of certain rights are things that should be fixed. I acknowledge that.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:38 am**

Pacomia wrote:
Highever wrote:I would say it isnt debateable at all that it is certainly not THE best in the world. It's in the top like, 10 sure, but hardly the best.

Top 10s or Top 20s seems about right.

It's hard to take claims to being the best seriously when the murder rate is comparable to third world nations and your education system almost never ranks in even the top 15.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:39 am**

Israeli Commonwealth wrote:
Highever wrote:To blindly and nonsensically say it is perfect and the best and not acknowledge its flaws in order to work to fix them and improve the nation is the opposite of loving the country really.

No. Nothing is perfect. But to me America is ideal. Flaws? Yes. Namely Antifa. Shootings, debt, and the restriction of certain rights are things that should be fixed. I acknowledge that.

Also, can we talk about how your signature says you support an ACTUAL TERRORIST ORGANISATION?

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:40 am**

Israeli Commonwealth wrote:
Highever wrote:To blindly and nonsensically say it is perfect and the best and not acknowledge its flaws in order to work to fix them and improve the nation is the opposite of loving the country really.

No. Nothing is perfect. But to me America is ideal. Flaws? Yes. Namely Antifa. Shootings, debt, and the restriction of certain rights are things that should be fixed. I acknowledge that.

In the list of issues that the United states has that needs to be fixed, antifa is hardly even worth noting, let alone naming first.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:40 am**

Israeli Commonwealth wrote:
Highever wrote:I would say it isnt debateable at all that it is certainly not THE best in the world. It's in the top like, 10 sure, but hardly the best.

Sorry, I am very patriotic. But my belief stands. If you are in the US you should love her. You may not always agree with her, like I disagreed with Clinton Bush and Obama but I still loved the United States.

That doesn’t mean you need to go around with rose-tinted glasses, thinking that everything is 100% fine. And no you don’t need to live the US just not hate it

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:41 am**

Vassenor wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:That statement, stupid as it is, isn't advocating censorship.

No, it's advocating deporting people for their political views.

I interpreted it as advocating emigration for political views rather than deportation.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:41 am**

Thermodolia wrote:
Israeli Commonwealth wrote:Sorry, I am very patriotic. But my belief stands. If you are in the US you should love her. You may not always agree with her, like I disagreed with Clinton Bush and Obama but I still loved the United States.

That doesn’t mean you need to go around with rose-tinted glasses, thinking that everything is 100% fine. And no you don’t need to live the US just not hate it

Hell, you can even hate it. It’s a free country.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:41 am**

Pacomia wrote:
Israeli Commonwealth wrote:No. Nothing is perfect. But to me America is ideal. Flaws? Yes. Namely Antifa. Shootings, debt, and the restriction of certain rights are things that should be fixed. I acknowledge that.

Also, can we talk about how your signature says you support an ACTUAL TERRORIST ORGANISATION?

The IRA? I support Irish Independence. I do not support the car bombings and killing of civilians. I do support the conventional attacks that USED to occur before the IRA went left wing.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:41 am**

Pacomia wrote:
Israeli Commonwealth wrote:No. Nothing is perfect. But to me America is ideal. Flaws? Yes. Namely Antifa. Shootings, debt, and the restriction of certain rights are things that should be fixed. I acknowledge that.

Also, can we talk about how your signature says you support an ACTUAL TERRORIST ORGANISATION?

Jesus fucking christ I didnt even notice that. Kind of hard to take anything they say about antifa seriously when they support car bombings and sniper attacks but say Antifa are the real terrorists.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:42 am**

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Grenartia wrote:As an antifascist (as all truly moral and ethical people should be), this is simply a transparent attempt to eliminate political opposition. First its us, tomorrow it will be the rest of you.

Also, how the fuck can antifa be a "terrorist organization" when its not even a fucking organization?

I agree, everyone ought to oppose Fascism, but Antifa's philosophy is not just opposition to Fascism, it is an opposition to Fascism by any means necessary, a philosophy that's not immoral or unethical to not hold.

Also, much of Antifa's broad stroke accusations of Fascism also reek of attempting to eliminate political opposition. Much of Antifa seems to think "Fascist" and "conservative" are synonyms.

Grenartia wrote:DI just likes to take any opportunity to "dunk" on me. Plus, if memory serves, she's one of those unironic Nazbol types, so of course she'd think opposing fascism is a bad thing.

From what I know of DI's beliefs, calling her an "unironic NazBol" is quite dishonest.

I will say that it also is working the other way around, and a lot of people are getting worried that absolutely nothing is being called fascism at the same time. There was one popular individual who did the nazi salute, said the nazi chant, argued for deportations of legal citizens based on race (all non-whites), and I'm constantly told that he's not a fascist. It's getting a bit ridiculous in the other direction as well, as even fascist parties are being called "reactionary."

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:42 am**

Israeli Commonwealth wrote:
Pacomia wrote:Also, can we talk about how your signature says you support an ACTUAL TERRORIST ORGANISATION?

The IRA? I support Irish Independence. I do not support the car bombings and killing of civilians. I do support the conventional attacks that USED to occur before the IRA went left wing.

Yeah uh, Ireland has been independant for a while. Theres literally no reason to support a terrorist organization and claim it is supporting independence.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:43 am**

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:We aren’t the best nation on earth. The US is a great nation but there are many ways in which we can be better

What nations would you say are better? Certainly not the UK.

Depends on what the classification is. If it’s about corruption then NZ is the best, if it’s about happy citizens then it’s Costa Rica, if it’s about gun rights it’s the US.

The idea that there’s one single best nation in the world is just bullshit as what someone thinks is the best is subjective

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:43 am**

Israeli Commonwealth wrote:
Pacomia wrote:Also, can we talk about how your signature says you support an ACTUAL TERRORIST ORGANISATION?

The IRA? I support Irish Independence. I do not support the car bombings and killing of civilians. I do support the conventional attacks that USED to occur before the IRA went left wing.

I don’t think left-right politics had anything to do with it.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:43 am**

Vassenor wrote:
Estanglia wrote:Antifa is not one organisation - at best, it's a group of organisations all with one goal (stop fascism), with some people involved who aren't affiliated with any particular anti-fascist group. Labelling the entire thing a domestic terrorist organisation, because of how loosely organised it is, could lead to non-Antifa antifascists (e.g nonviolent antifascists, antifascists who aren't part of an antifascist organisation, etc) getting treated as domestic terrorists, or violent antifascists not getting labelled domestic terrorists because they're not part of whatever Antifa is considered.

If it's an individual antifascist group that is being labelled domestic terrorists, then it depends on their conduct.

That's what makes this a transparent attempt to ban protests.

I saw it more as a way to hit every violent antifascist group at once, rather than pick off the groups one by one.

Also, if they have to make some sort of argument for why Antifa should be labelled a domestic terrorist group, they can point to any violent action by an antifascist group or person, rather than having to find instances for each individual antifascist group that they want considered domestic terrorists.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:44 am**

Thermodolia wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:What nations would you say are better? Certainly not the UK.

Depends on what the classification is. If it’s about corruption then NZ is the best, if it’s about happy citizens then it’s Costa Rica, if it’s about gun rights it’s the US.

The idea that there’s one single best nation in the world is just bullshit as what someone thinks is the best is subjective

I did a little study and found that if you go purely by statistics, it’s Norway.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:44 am**

Pacomia wrote:
Israeli Commonwealth wrote:No. Nothing is perfect. But to me America is ideal. Flaws? Yes. Namely Antifa. Shootings, debt, and the restriction of certain rights are things that should be fixed. I acknowledge that.

Also, can we talk about how your signature says you support an ACTUAL TERRORIST ORGANISATION?

And that they are willing to attack people who believe differently than them?

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:45 am**

Israeli Commonwealth wrote:
Pacomia wrote:Also, can we talk about how your signature says you support an ACTUAL TERRORIST ORGANISATION?

The IRA? I support Irish Independence. I do not support the car bombings and killing of civilians. I do support the conventional attacks that USED to occur before the IRA went left wing.

Dude the IRA has always been left wing.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:45 am**

Thermodolia wrote:
Pacomia wrote:Also, can we talk about how your signature says you support an ACTUAL TERRORIST ORGANISATION?

And that they are willing to attack people who believe differently than them?

HMMMMMMMMMMMM....

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:45 am**

Vassenor wrote:
Estanglia wrote:Antifa is not one organisation - at best, it's a group of organisations all with one goal (stop fascism), with some people involved who aren't affiliated with any particular anti-fascist group. Labelling the entire thing a domestic terrorist organisation, because of how loosely organised it is, could lead to non-Antifa antifascists (e.g nonviolent antifascists, antifascists who aren't part of an antifascist organisation, etc) getting treated as domestic terrorists, or violent antifascists not getting labelled domestic terrorists because they're not part of whatever Antifa is considered.

If it's an individual antifascist group that is being labelled domestic terrorists, then it depends on their conduct.

That's what makes this a transparent attempt to ban protests.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:45 am**

Pacomia wrote:
Israeli Commonwealth wrote:The IRA? I support Irish Independence. I do not support the car bombings and killing of civilians. I do support the conventional attacks that USED to occur before the IRA went left wing.

I don’t think left-right politics had anything to do with it.

Well it so happens when the IRA got communist support they got more brutal. Anyways we are getting off topic. Let me clarify again I do NOT support the unwarranted killing of innocent Irish and British civilians by the Irish Republican Army. I am only in support of the IRA because I believe Northern Ireland is rightfully Irish.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:46 am**

Thermodolia wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:What nations would you say are better? Certainly not the UK.

Depends on what the classification is. If it’s about corruption then NZ is the best, if it’s about happy citizens then it’s Costa Rica, if it’s about gun rights it’s the US.

The idea that there’s one single best nation in the world is just bullshit as what someone thinks is the best is subjective

Of all the nations I've visited, I found the US to have the best general vibe about it though.

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