Two Senators want Antifa labled domestic terrorists

[Jack Thomas Lang]

Political violence and stable democracy are mutually exclusive. Unless it's in explicit self-defense, using vigilantism to attack political groups in a democratic country is always bad, yes.

[Scomagia]

Political violence and stable democracy are mutually exclusive. Unless it's in explicit self-defense, using vigilantism to attack political groups in a democratic country is always bad, yes.

Pretty basic stuff, really.

[Ifreann]

It was a question. All you had to do was say, "that's correct" or something.

It was shit is what it was.

And the answer's obviously no. Committing assault or attempting murder doesn't magically exclude you from being against Fascism.

But political violence is good sometimes, yeah? Like, sometimes war is good, yeah?

Hmm.

World War Two is the most clear-cut example of both good and bad political violence but there's always gonna be people who're gonna scream about how you can't actually use that as an example of how Fascism can't be debated because it's not an ideology built around debate, because... reasons or something.

I dunno, thinking about whether political violence is good or bad is giving me a headache, can't we just say it's always bad and then just ignore complicated things like wars and law enforcement?

[Cedoria]

Turns up with a bunch of proud boys, no is oh so badly injured he gave multiple press interviews with absolutely no difficulty the very next day? Yeah, shining pillar of society right there.

No difficulty? Stay out of medicine because you can't tell obvious symptoms of a head injury.

Righto Dr House. I'll defer to your absolutely proven expertise as signs of a head injury. If he was well enough to give interviews, either his injuries weren't as serious as claimed or he was an idiot who defied good medical advice. Still hardly ranks as an innocent bystander given the context in either case.

[Torrocca]

It was shit is what it was.

And the answer's obviously no. Committing assault or attempting murder doesn't magically exclude you from being against Fascism.



World War Two is the most clear-cut example of both good and bad political violence but there's always gonna be people who're gonna scream about how you can't actually use that as an example of how Fascism can't be debated because it's not an ideology built around debate, because... reasons or something.

Nah, it was a simple question. You have a habit of vaguely implying you support violence and then backpedaling. I just wanted to get a clear answer.

... I don't see how me saying that somebody who's committed assault can still be anti-Fascist if they're against Fascism somehow correlates with me supporting or not supporting violence.

[Bear Stearns]

Political violence and stable democracy are mutually exclusive. Unless it's in explicit self-defense, using vigilantism to attack political groups in a democratic country is always bad, yes.

If we're going to accept ANTIFA street violence, then let's return to the glory days of American political violence. Tar and feather supporters of the British Empire and have nativist street gangs beat up Irish people.

[Scomagia]

No difficulty? Stay out of medicine because you can't tell obvious symptoms of a head injury.

Righto Dr House. I'll defer to your absolutely proven expertise as signs of a head injury. If he was well enough to give interviews, either his injuries weren't as serious as claimed or he was an idiot who defied good medical advice. Still hardly ranks as an innocent bystander given the context in either case.

This is all objectively false. Again, shut up about head injuries. It's making you look like someone desperate to downplay what happened.

[Torrocca]

It was shit is what it was.

And the answer's obviously no. Committing assault or attempting murder doesn't magically exclude you from being against Fascism.



World War Two is the most clear-cut example of both good and bad political violence but there's always gonna be people who're gonna scream about how you can't actually use that as an example of how Fascism can't be debated because it's not an ideology built around debate, because... reasons or something.

I dunno, thinking about whether political violence is good or bad is giving me a headache, can't we just say it's always bad and then just ignore complicated things like wars and law enforcement?

Both sides are bad.

[Scomagia]

Nah, it was a simple question. You have a habit of vaguely implying you support violence and then backpedaling. I just wanted to get a clear answer.

... I don't see how me saying that somebody who's committed assault can still be anti-Fascist if they're against Fascism somehow correlates with me supporting or not supporting violence.

Not this thread. Previous Antifa threads. But we'll just let it go because you don't support extra-judicial violence. Right?

[Torrocca]

... I don't see how me saying that somebody who's committed assault can still be anti-Fascist if they're against Fascism somehow correlates with me supporting or not supporting violence.

Not this thread. Previous Antifa threads. But we'll just let it go because you don't support extra-judicial violence. Right?

Context is important.

[Cedoria]

Righto Dr House. I'll defer to your absolutely proven expertise as signs of a head injury. If he was well enough to give interviews, either his injuries weren't as serious as claimed or he was an idiot who defied good medical advice. Still hardly ranks as an innocent bystander given the context in either case.

This is all objectively false. Again, shut up about head injuries. It's making you look like someone desperate to downplay what happened.

I neither know nor claimed to know anything about head injuries.
But speaking as a sensible person, if I were a victim of an assault that left me with serious head injuries, I wouldn't be up and ranting to multiple press agencies about it the very next day. But then I wouldn't have been caught dead involved with the groups Ngo was running around with either. Funny that.

[Scomagia]

This is all objectively false. Again, shut up about head injuries. It's making you look like someone desperate to downplay what happened.

I neither know nor claimed to know anything about head injuries.
But speaking as a sensible person, if I were a victim of an assault that left me with serious head injuries, I wouldn't be up and ranting to multiple press agencies about it the very next day. But then I wouldn't have been caught dead involved with the groups Ngo was running around with either. Funny that.

So you're just saying things to say them. Got it.

[Ifreann]

I dunno, thinking about whether political violence is good or bad is giving me a headache, can't we just say it's always bad and then just ignore complicated things like wars and law enforcement?

Both sides are bad.

Enlightening.

[Scomagia]

Not this thread. Previous Antifa threads. But we'll just let it go because you don't support extra-judicial violence. Right?

Context is important.

Is it wrong to commit assaults or isn't it?

[United States of Devonta]

This is all objectively false. Again, shut up about head injuries. It's making you look like someone desperate to downplay what happened.

I neither know nor claimed to know anything about head injuries.
But speaking as a sensible person, if I were a victim of an assault that left me with serious head injuries, I wouldn't be up and ranting to multiple press agencies about it the very next day. But then I wouldn't have been caught dead involved with the groups Ngo was running around with either. Funny that.

Or working with Fascist to dox leftist knowing they could be harmed, sounded like he enjoyed enabling violence till it came to him.

[Torrocca]

Context is important.

Is it wrong to commit assaults or isn't it?

Context. Is. Important. I'm not gonna say a blanket yes or no, simply because of that "context" part.

[Cedoria]

Context is important.

Is it wrong to commit assaults or isn't it?

I think the whole 'context is important' line gives you a clue. It's not as simple as you like to pretend.

[Torrocca]

Both sides are bad.

Enlightening. .

Cometh, brother, and be divinely enlightened by my centrism.

[Scomagia]

I neither know nor claimed to know anything about head injuries.
But speaking as a sensible person, if I were a victim of an assault that left me with serious head injuries, I wouldn't be up and ranting to multiple press agencies about it the very next day. But then I wouldn't have been caught dead involved with the groups Ngo was running around with either. Funny that.

Or working with Fascist to dox leftist knowing they could be harmed, sounded like he enjoyed enabling violence till it came to him.

Ngo may be a cunt but what you are saying is false. The person he "doxxed" was already a media figure.

But it's fun to justify assaults, isn't it?

[Cedoria]

I neither know nor claimed to know anything about head injuries.
But speaking as a sensible person, if I were a victim of an assault that left me with serious head injuries, I wouldn't be up and ranting to multiple press agencies about it the very next day. But then I wouldn't have been caught dead involved with the groups Ngo was running around with either. Funny that.

Or working with Fascist to dox leftist knowing they could be harmed, sounded like he enjoyed enabling violence till it came to him.

Precisely. Innocent my arse.

[United States of Devonta]

Is it wrong to commit assaults or isn't it?

I think the whole 'context is important' line gives you a clue. It's not as simple as you like to pretend.

Most of the political violence Antifa takes part in is wrong. But yes, context is important.

[Scomagia]

Is it wrong to commit assaults or isn't it?

I think the whole 'context is important' line gives you a clue. It's not as simple as you like to pretend.

No, it's actually simple. Assault is wrong. Don't do it.

[Cedoria]

Or working with Fascist to dox leftist knowing they could be harmed, sounded like he enjoyed enabling violence till it came to him.

Ngo may be a cunt but what you are saying is false. The person he "doxxed" was already a media figure.

But it's fun to justify assaults, isn't it?

Not fun. But one figure being a public media person does not excuse the fact that he was openly working with violent hate groups, apparently without an issue till he got a light taste of his own medicine. The people he'd been working with would no doubt have been less restrained in dealing with the people he was unleashing them on.

Yeah, cry me a river this pillar of the community got a knock.

[Cappuccina]

Then several far-right nationalists are also technically ANTIFA too, if that's the definition.

Technically yes, and with regards to that specific fact I see no issue there. The more anti-Fascists, the better.

Fair enough. I agree with you latter statement for sure.

[Scomagia]

Is it wrong to commit assaults or isn't it?

Context. Is. Important. I'm not gonna say a blanket yes or no, simply because of that "context" part.

So you do support extra-judicial violence. It just depends on "context".