Two Senators want Antifa labled domestic terrorists

[Strahcoin]

Israeli Commonwealth has a point.

If we have Antifa (which supposedly fights fascism), why can't we have "Antico" (short for anti-communism)?


Well, it's a mystery why people would bash facts.

I mean, if you wanted an antico you could have one.

Great!

Now, the "members" of Antico shall falsely all liberals as "communist" and use violence to suppress them, and then it will claim that it didn't do so. And if that sounds wrong (which it is), replace "Antico" with "Antifa", "liberals" with "conservatives", and "communist" with "fascist". If you don't see anything wrong with that, then you're using a double standard.

[Kubra]

I mean, if you wanted an antico you could have one.

Great!

Now, the "members" of Antico shall falsely all liberals as "communist" and use violence to suppress them, and then it will claim that it didn't do so. And if that sounds wrong (which it is), replace "Antico" with "Antifa", "liberals" with "conservatives", and "communist" with "fascist". If you don't see anything wrong with that, then you're using a double standard.

Oh wait a minute if this is all you want to do why not just john the John Birch Society?

[Necroghastia]

I love how there's so many people in this thread who are like "well not ALL right-wingers" and then go and try to claim every antifascist is chomping at the bit to go beat the shit out of innocent people.

It's almost like one of these is an entire half of the political spectrum, and one of these is a specific identity group with specific goals.

You know, you're right. Heck, probably more than half of the political spectrum are anti-fascist.

[Telconi]

Firstly, not all people on the right are Nazis, yet ANTIFA attacks them anyways. There are differences between right wingers and Nazis and yet ANTIFA fails to respect those differences.

You do realize right-wingers who aren't Fascists or Nazis have the freedom to not associate themselves with Fascists and Nazis by not participating in rallies filled with Fascists and Nazis, correct?

Though I'd like to see how you propose AntiFA avoid fighting non-Fascist right-wingers partaking in a Fascist rally. Perhaps they could individually poll every member of such an event to determine who isn't a Fascist?

Secondly, even innocent bystanders get caught up in the violence. In light of this, how are ANTIFA a bunch of "nice people"? They're less anti-fascist and more anti-whatever they can get their hands on.

I see you've managed to miss the entire fucking thread of left-wingers and other AntiFA supporters who've repeatedly criticized incidents of innocent people getting attacked.

Thirdly, you seem to have drawn the comparison between ANTIFA and Nazis all by yourself, citing similarities between the Nazi vehicular road rage in Charlottesville and the ANTIFA bike lock incident. Since you have drawn this comparison, it follows that since Nazis and ANTIFA are alike, and Nazis are bad, then ANTIFA must also be bad.

Nope, I drew no such comparison. You're the one suggesting a singular bikelock incident is morally equivalent to the shit that AntiFA's opposition has pulled, not me.

And they equally have the freedom to associate with such. You don't have to be a fascist to find common cause with them at times.

Shut the fuck up, go back home, and attack zero people. If they all did this, I guarantee you, with one hundred percent certainty. They would never attack anyone wrongfully.

[The South Falls]

I love how there's so many people in this thread who are like "well not ALL right-wingers" and then go and try to claim every antifascist is chomping at the bit to go beat the shit out of innocent people.

It's almost like one of these is an entire half of the political spectrum, and one of these is a specific identity group with specific goals.

It's almost like Antifa is a group with multiple chapters that don't have one uniform directive

[Telconi]

It's almost like one of these is an entire half of the political spectrum, and one of these is a specific identity group with specific goals.

You know, you're right. Heck, probably more than half of the political spectrum are anti-fascist.

Opposition to fascism and identifying one's self as an anti-fascist are two very different things.

[Torrocca]

You do realize right-wingers who aren't Fascists or Nazis have the freedom to not associate themselves with Fascists and Nazis by not participating in rallies filled with Fascists and Nazis, correct?

Though I'd like to see how you propose AntiFA avoid fighting non-Fascist right-wingers partaking in a Fascist rally. Perhaps they could individually poll every member of such an event to determine who isn't a Fascist?



I see you've managed to miss the entire fucking thread of left-wingers and other AntiFA supporters who've repeatedly criticized incidents of innocent people getting attacked.



Nope, I drew no such comparison. You're the one suggesting a singular bikelock incident is morally equivalent to the shit that AntiFA's opposition has pulled, not me.

And they equally have the freedom to associate with such. You don't have to be a fascist to find common cause with them at times.

I'm sure you can see why it's totally so weird that non-Fascist right-wingers just happen to end up getting into fights with AntiFA then, right?

Shut the fuck up, go back home, and attack zero people. If they all did this, I guarantee you, with one hundred percent certainty. They would never attack anyone wrongfully.

I, too, prefer to have my Fascism go unchallenged.

[Telconi]

It's almost like one of these is an entire half of the political spectrum, and one of these is a specific identity group with specific goals.

It's almost like Antifa is a group with multiple chapters that don't have one uniform directive

They don't?

[Nova Cyberia]

I don't support the creation of an all-encompassing totalitarian state.

If you asked them, neither did they.
Keep going.

I don't really know any other way to put it but that. I'm a republican, and I believe in republicanism. I don't see why my support for Third Positionism would ever conflict with that. Third Positionism is mainly economic, not political.

[The South Falls]

It's almost like Antifa is a group with multiple chapters that don't have one uniform directive

They don't?

Well, they all oppose fascism, but that's where the similarities end.

[Telconi]

And they equally have the freedom to associate with such. You don't have to be a fascist to find common cause with them at times.

I'm sure you can see why it's totally so weird that non-Fascist right-wingers just happen to end up getting into fights with AntiFA then, right?

Shut the fuck up, go back home, and attack zero people. If they all did this, I guarantee you, with one hundred percent certainty. They would never attack anyone wrongfully.

I, too, prefer to have my Fascism go unchallenged.

The people doing the challenging are a far greater threat than any of the "fascists" they're allegedly challenging.

[Torrocca]

I'm sure you can see why it's totally so weird that non-Fascist right-wingers just happen to end up getting into fights with AntiFA then, right?



I, too, prefer to have my Fascism go unchallenged.

The people doing the challenging are a far greater threat than any of the "fascists" they're allegedly challenging.

Excuse me while I die of laughter.

[Telconi]

They don't?

Well, they all oppose fascism, but that's where the similarities end.

Seems like a directive, and an oddly uniform one at that...

[Telconi]

The people doing the challenging are a far greater threat than any of the "fascists" they're allegedly challenging.

Excuse me while I die of laughter.

You're excused.

[Vassenor]

I'm sure you can see why it's totally so weird that non-Fascist right-wingers just happen to end up getting into fights with AntiFA then, right?



I, too, prefer to have my Fascism go unchallenged.

The people doing the challenging are a far greater threat than any of the "fascists" they're allegedly challenging.

People throwing milkshakes are a far greater threat than people driving cars into counter-protest groups and shooting up churches.

kek.

[Torrocca]

Well, they all oppose fascism, but that's where the similarities end.

Seems like a directive, and an oddly uniform one at that...

It sure is oddly uniform how a social movement that refers to itself as "Anti-Fascist Action" would oppose Fascism. Thanks for pointing out how odd that is, Tel.

[Nakena]

Okay...

Corpriatism, for example, has Christian roots and predates fascism as an ideology. Third Positionism has existed before fascism. Fascists bastardized certain aspects of it.

Syncretism certainly existed before fascism. Third positionism did not.
This is still not an explanation. On what particular policies do you differ from Terza Posizione, Troisième Voie, or the National Alliance?

I reject totalitarism, racialism (aka racist bullshit) and christianity (in my case) to begin with.

Point two alone puts me at odds with most far-right group for whom, according to my very own experience, racism and/or antisemitism are the central part of their worldview.

That and a few other things.

[Telconi]

The people doing the challenging are a far greater threat than any of the "fascists" they're allegedly challenging.

People throwing milkshakes are a far greater threat than people driving cars into counter-protest groups and shooting up churches.

kek.

That's all they ever do, throw milkshakes? Nobody who considered themselves AntiFa has ever done anything else?

[The South Falls]

Well, they all oppose fascism, but that's where the similarities end.

Seems like a directive, and an oddly uniform one at that...

Well, I mean't separate ways of carrying out such a directive. They do not have a uniform way of carrying out the directive.

[Greater Roman State]

Firstly, not all people on the right are Nazis, yet ANTIFA attacks them anyways. There are differences between right wingers and Nazis and yet ANTIFA fails to respect those differences.

You do realize right-wingers who aren't Fascists or Nazis have the freedom to not associate themselves with Fascists and Nazis by not participating in rallies filled with Fascists and Nazis, correct?

Though I'd like to see how you propose AntiFA avoid fighting non-Fascist right-wingers partaking in a Fascist rally. Perhaps they could individually poll every member of such an event to determine who isn't a Fascist?

Secondly, even innocent bystanders get caught up in the violence. In light of this, how are ANTIFA a bunch of "nice people"? They're less anti-fascist and more anti-whatever they can get their hands on.

I see you've managed to miss the entire fucking thread of left-wingers and other AntiFA supporters who've repeatedly criticized incidents of innocent people getting attacked.

Thirdly, you seem to have drawn the comparison between ANTIFA and Nazis all by yourself, citing similarities between the Nazi vehicular road rage in Charlottesville and the ANTIFA bike lock incident. Since you have drawn this comparison, it follows that since Nazis and ANTIFA are alike, and Nazis are bad, then ANTIFA must also be bad.

Nope, I drew no such comparison. You're the one suggesting a singular bikelock incident is morally equivalent to the shit that AntiFA's opposition has pulled, not me.

1. Hot take: attacking other people is wrong, and attacking people who are at a rally for the purposes of debate (because they've been deplatformed for having ideas others dislike), is not the same as attacking people at a Nazi rally who are all throwing up the Nazi salute and shouting "Heil Hitler, gas the Jews, white power". The difference is that one promotes the flow of ideas, while the other promotes hatred of people different from themselves.
2. How about all the people on the right who criticize incidents of innocent people getting attacked? Oh, yeah, that's right, they don't count, because by being on the right they must tacitly support Nazism.
3. You did. If I say "ANTIFA is not nice because people who smack others on the head with bike locks and smash up storefronts are not nice" and you respond with "Nazis are not nice because people who drive cars into a crowd are not nice, either" then you are complicit with the fact that ANTIFA and the Nazis have both done morally repugnant things, and are therefore not nice.

[Telconi]

Seems like a directive, and an oddly uniform one at that...

Well, I mean't separate ways of carrying out such a directive. They do not have a uniform way of carrying out the directive.

So?

[The South Falls]

Well, I mean't separate ways of carrying out such a directive. They do not have a uniform way of carrying out the directive.

So?

You can't label the entire group Domestic Terrorists.

[Torrocca]

You do realize right-wingers who aren't Fascists or Nazis have the freedom to not associate themselves with Fascists and Nazis by not participating in rallies filled with Fascists and Nazis, correct?

Though I'd like to see how you propose AntiFA avoid fighting non-Fascist right-wingers partaking in a Fascist rally. Perhaps they could individually poll every member of such an event to determine who isn't a Fascist?



I see you've managed to miss the entire fucking thread of left-wingers and other AntiFA supporters who've repeatedly criticized incidents of innocent people getting attacked.



Nope, I drew no such comparison. You're the one suggesting a singular bikelock incident is morally equivalent to the shit that AntiFA's opposition has pulled, not me.

1. Hot take: attacking other people is wrong, and attacking people who are at a rally for the purposes of debate (because they've been deplatformed for having ideas others dislike), is not the same as attacking people at a Nazi rally who are all throwing up the Nazi salute and shouting "Heil Hitler, gas the Jews, white power". The difference is that one promotes the flow of ideas, while the other promotes hatred of people different from themselves.

Hot take: violence is contextual, and somebody punching a Fascist because of the Fascism isn't morally equivalent to a Fascist punching somebody because of their Fascism.

2. How about all the people on the right who criticize incidents of innocent people getting attacked? Oh, yeah, that's right, they don't count, because by being on the right they must tacitly support Nazism.

There's a difference between being a right-winger who merely criticizes those incidents and being a right-winger who uses those incidents to rage against anti-Fascism entirely.

Right-wingers have been on both sides of that in this thread. Those in the former camp are a-okay.

3. You did. If I say "ANTIFA is not nice because people who smack others on the head with bike locks and smash up storefronts are not nice" and you respond with "Nazis are not nice because people who drive cars into a crowd are not nice, either" then you are complicit with the fact that ANTIFA and the Nazis have both done morally repugnant things, and are therefore not nice.

Nah.

[Telconi]

So?

You can't label the entire group Domestic Terrorists.

Why not?

[Torrocca]

You can't label the entire group Domestic Terrorists.

Why not?

Because AntiFA's not an organization (which is a major component to something being a terrorist organization), it's a social movement made up of numerous individuals, groups, and organizations acting independently or co-dependently under the umbrella goal of opposing Fascism.