Two Senators want Antifa labled domestic terrorists

[Telconi]

So you admit that you were being painfully ironic when you implied that ANTIFA attacks bad people and that they do nothing wrong?

Nah. AntiFA's an inherently good thing. More people should be anti-Fascist, tbqh.

Judging by the relative prevalence of their respective ideologies, anti-communist are in a lot higher demand.

[Israeli Commonwealth]

Oh God if Nation States allowed free speech right about now I would blow some fucking freedom onto you.
You know, some ideas in fascism are also very present in communism. Such has a strong authoritarian state. But, weirdly enough, the left of center is still very communist while right of center is generally the libertarian stand point. Meaning, the right has done much more good than the left. If you want a list of center of right ideals here...

Freedom of religion
Free speech
Individual rights
Small government
Free elections
Patriotism
Capitalism (I know you disagree with it, which further makes me hate you beyond explanation)
Innovation
Etc.

These ideals are not by any means right wing. In fact both left and right wing governments have shared them.

Developed by the Center Right Libertarian creators of Republicanism

[Kubra]

I mean when a self described nationalist calls themself a third positionist you know we're going to come to certain sets of assumptions, yeah?

I mean, you're probably not a blairite, so only a few other alternatives come to mind.

Third Positionism is not fascism.

I dunno man, the TWP is fond of the stuff. So was the national alliance.
You'll have to clarify how it's not.

[Torrocca]

It's pretty blatantly more than just that one thing, but I guess you've never heard the phrase, "sum of the parts," huh?

Ah, I forgot. I'm also nationalist and right-wing, and apparently those are the only real qualifiers for fascism as far as you're concerned.

Nah, there's more qualifiers, but again this ain't about you regardless of your continued attempted segues into making it about you.

Nah. AntiFA's an inherently good thing. More people should be anti-Fascist, tbqh.

Oh God if Nation States allowed free speech right about now I would blow some fucking freedom onto you.
You know, some ideas in fascism are also very present in communism. Such has a strong authoritarian state.

You know, you could've just said that you don't know what Communism is.

[Nova Cyberia]

Third Positionism is not fascism.

I dunno man, the TWP is fond of the stuff. So was the national alliance.
You'll have to clarify how it's not.

All Third Positionism is (at least how I and WRA apply it) is an attempt to find a third option between capitalism and socialism/communism. It takes elements from both the left and right and combines them into one.

It's not fascism.

[Vassenor]

Btw am I the only one going farther into depression by reading how some people are so brainwashed they genuinely think communism works.



Seriously though. I need a couple glasses of pure alcohol after that.

As opposed to all the people who genuinely think fascism is not only OK but needs to be defended?

[Torrocca]

Ah, yes, I too remember how a Nazi committing vehicular homicide was actually a man expressing his angst over the existence of illegal immigration.

Ah you mean the incident to which a prominent patrician lady referenced as, I quote:

"the rally where an edgy shitposter hilariously memed his car into a crowd of people"

Yes this was an act of terrorism. Copycat from ISIS.

Yup. As we know, that fine person on that side was just experiencing economic anxiety over the existence of illegal immigration, totally.

[Nova Cyberia]

Ah, I forgot. I'm also nationalist and right-wing, and apparently those are the only real qualifiers for fascism as far as you're concerned.

Nah, there's more qualifiers, but again this ain't about you regardless of your continued attempted segues into making it about you.

Oh God if Nation States allowed free speech right about now I would blow some fucking freedom onto you.
You know, some ideas in fascism are also very present in communism. Such has a strong authoritarian state.

You know, you could've just said that you don't know what Communism is.

You're the one who branded me a fascist. I simply asked you to explain how, which you've continually failed to do.

[The South Falls]

These ideals are not by any means right wing. In fact both left and right wing governments have shared them.

Developed by the Center Right Libertarian creators of Republicanism

I would think that you cant really ascribe a "wing" to the creators of the American Experiment. They spanned the political gamut.

[Nakena]

I dunno man, the TWP is fond of the stuff. So was the national alliance.
You'll have to clarify how it's not.

All Third Positionism is (at least how I and WRA apply it) is an attempt to find a third option between capitalism and socialism/communism. It takes elements from both the left and right and combines them into one.

It's not fascism.

Count me in.

[Gormwood]

Love how this turned into the HUAC Thread.

[The South Falls]

I dunno man, the TWP is fond of the stuff. So was the national alliance.
You'll have to clarify how it's not.

All Third Positionism is (at least how I and WRA apply it) is an attempt to find a third option between capitalism and socialism/communism. It takes elements from both the left and right and combines them into one.

It's not fascism.

It's essentially a syncretic ideology, not a fascist one. Third positionism can be seen as a blanket term, that, like reactionary, some fascists can be ascribed under.

[Greater Roman State]

Ah yes, those very nice and respectable citizens who smack people over the head with bike locks and smash storefront windows because they just happen to be there, as opposed to those dumb meanie-heads who just want people to follow the established immigration law, because they're evil.

Ah, yes, I too remember how a Nazi committing vehicular homicide was actually a man expressing his angst over the existence of illegal immigration.

Firstly, not all people on the right are Nazis, yet ANTIFA attacks them anyways. There are differences between right wingers and Nazis and yet ANTIFA fails to respect those differences.
Secondly, even innocent bystanders get caught up in the violence. In light of this, how are ANTIFA a bunch of "nice people"? They're less anti-fascist and more anti-whatever they can get their hands on.
Thirdly, you seem to have drawn the comparison between ANTIFA and Nazis all by yourself, citing similarities between the Nazi vehicular road rage in Charlottesville and the ANTIFA bike lock incident. Since you have drawn this comparison, it follows that since Nazis and ANTIFA are alike, and Nazis are bad, then ANTIFA must also be bad.

[Kubra]

I dunno man, the TWP is fond of the stuff. So was the national alliance.
You'll have to clarify how it's not.

All Third Positionism is (at least how I and WRA apply it) is an attempt to find a third option between capitalism and socialism/communism. It takes elements from both the left and right and combines them into one.

It's not fascism.

One that happens to only be adopted by neo-fascist parties. You'll have to explain how your third position differs from theirs.

[Nakena]

All Third Positionism is (at least how I and WRA apply it) is an attempt to find a third option between capitalism and socialism/communism. It takes elements from both the left and right and combines them into one.

It's not fascism.

One that happens to only be adopted by neo-fascist parties. You'll have to explain how your third position differs from theirs.

Well you got no less of 3 of us here. Nova did already explain it. WRA can explain it to you. So I can.

We're the Triforcing Trifecta of Tri-Positonism.

[Nova Cyberia]

All Third Positionism is (at least how I and WRA apply it) is an attempt to find a third option between capitalism and socialism/communism. It takes elements from both the left and right and combines them into one.

It's not fascism.

Count me in.

It's pretty dank, tbh.

[Necroghastia]

I love how there's so many people in this thread who are like "well not ALL right-wingers" and then go and try to claim every antifascist is chomping at the bit to go beat the shit out of innocent people.

[Kubra]

One that happens to only be adopted by neo-fascist parties. You'll have to explain how your third position differs from theirs.

Well you got no less of there of us here. Nova did already explain it. WRA can explain it to you. So I can.

We're the Triforcing Trifecta of Tri-Positonism.

He explained it as "an attempt to find a third option between capitalism and socialism/communism. It takes elements from both the left and right and combines them into one." I merely asked to explain how their particular conception differs from previously existing third positionists.
You're more than welcome to take up the mantle.

[Nova Cyberia]

All Third Positionism is (at least how I and WRA apply it) is an attempt to find a third option between capitalism and socialism/communism. It takes elements from both the left and right and combines them into one.

It's not fascism.

One that happens to only be adopted by neo-fascist parties. You'll have to explain how your third position differs from theirs.

Okay...

Corpriatism, for example, has Christian roots and predates fascism as an ideology. Third Positionism has existed before fascism. Fascists bastardized certain aspects of it.

[Telconi]

I love how there's so many people in this thread who are like "well not ALL right-wingers" and then go and try to claim every antifascist is chomping at the bit to go beat the shit out of innocent people.

It's almost like one of these is an entire half of the political spectrum, and one of these is a specific identity group with specific goals.

[Torrocca]

Ah, yes, I too remember how a Nazi committing vehicular homicide was actually a man expressing his angst over the existence of illegal immigration.

Firstly, not all people on the right are Nazis, yet ANTIFA attacks them anyways. There are differences between right wingers and Nazis and yet ANTIFA fails to respect those differences.

You do realize right-wingers who aren't Fascists or Nazis have the freedom to not associate themselves with Fascists and Nazis by not participating in rallies filled with Fascists and Nazis, correct?

Though I'd like to see how you propose AntiFA avoid fighting non-Fascist right-wingers partaking in a Fascist rally. Perhaps they could individually poll every member of such an event to determine who isn't a Fascist?

Secondly, even innocent bystanders get caught up in the violence. In light of this, how are ANTIFA a bunch of "nice people"? They're less anti-fascist and more anti-whatever they can get their hands on.

I see you've managed to miss the entire fucking thread of left-wingers and other AntiFA supporters who've repeatedly criticized incidents of innocent people getting attacked.

Thirdly, you seem to have drawn the comparison between ANTIFA and Nazis all by yourself, citing similarities between the Nazi vehicular road rage in Charlottesville and the ANTIFA bike lock incident. Since you have drawn this comparison, it follows that since Nazis and ANTIFA are alike, and Nazis are bad, then ANTIFA must also be bad.

Nope, I drew no such comparison. You're the one suggesting a singular bikelock incident is morally equivalent to the shit that AntiFA's opposition has pulled, not me.

[Kubra]

One that happens to only be adopted by neo-fascist parties. You'll have to explain how your third position differs from theirs.

Okay...

Corpriatism, for example, has Christian roots and predates fascism as an ideology. Third Positionism has existed before fascism. Fascists bastardized certain aspects of it.

Syncretism certainly existed before fascism. Third positionism did not.
This is still not an explanation. On what particular policies do you differ from Terza Posizione, Troisième Voie, or the National Alliance?

[Nova Cyberia]

Okay...

Corpriatism, for example, has Christian roots and predates fascism as an ideology. Third Positionism has existed before fascism. Fascists bastardized certain aspects of it.

Syncretism certainly existed before fascism. Third positionism did not.
This is still not an explanation. On what particular policies do you differ from Terza Posizione, Troisième Voie, or the National Alliance?

I don't support the creation of an all-encompassing totalitarian state.

[Torrocca]

I love how there's so many people in this thread who are like "well not ALL right-wingers" and then go and try to claim every antifascist is chomping at the bit to go beat the shit out of innocent people.

It's particularly hilarious when you take into account that there's only a handful of cases involving innocent people getting harmed by a social movement made up of upwards of millions of people.

[Kubra]

Syncretism certainly existed before fascism. Third positionism did not.
This is still not an explanation. On what particular policies do you differ from Terza Posizione, Troisième Voie, or the National Alliance?

I don't support the creation of an all-encompassing totalitarian state.

If you asked them, neither did they.
Keep going.