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Postby Kubra » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:55 pm

Israeli Commonwealth wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
>Implying I was being ironic

Ohoho, that's such a folly, Tel. ;)

Yep I detect a commie.
ahahahaha well I mean what do we give you a medal now
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Postby Israeli Commonwealth » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:56 pm

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Israeli Commonwealth wrote:Yep I detect a commie.
ahahahaha well I mean what do we give you a medal now

Oh please. Make sure it says "Commie Detector" across the front xD
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:56 pm

Israeli Commonwealth wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
>Implying I was being ironic

Ohoho, that's such a folly, Tel. ;)

Yep I detect a commie.


It took you that long?

Telconi wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
>Implying I was being ironic

Ohoho, that's such a folly, Tel. ;)


No. I was actually implying you failed the first criteria.


Well, I'm not an actual person, so I guess points to you.
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Postby Nakena » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:58 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Israeli Commonwealth wrote:Yep I detect a commie.


It took you that long?

Telconi wrote:
No. I was actually implying you failed the first criteria.


Well, I'm not an actual person, so I guess points to you.


So you admit you have ascended to become a literal meme of our own?

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Postby Telconi » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:58 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Israeli Commonwealth wrote:Yep I detect a commie.


It took you that long?

Telconi wrote:
No. I was actually implying you failed the first criteria.


Well, I'm not an actual person, so I guess points to you.


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Postby Torrocca » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:58 pm

Nakena wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
It took you that long?



Well, I'm not an actual person, so I guess points to you.


So you admit you have ascended to become a literal meme of our own?


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Postby Nova Cyberia » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:59 pm

Nakena wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
It took you that long?



Well, I'm not an actual person, so I guess points to you.


So you admit you have ascended to become a literal meme of our own?

I thought she already was?
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Postby Israeli Commonwealth » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:00 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Nakena wrote:
So you admit you have ascended to become a literal meme of our own?


I am irony. Nothing more, nothing less.

So you admit that you were being painfully ironic when you implied that ANTIFA attacks bad people and that they do nothing wrong?
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Postby Israeli Commonwealth » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:01 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Nakena wrote:
So you admit you have ascended to become a literal meme of our own?

I thought she already was?

They are, and will continue to become more so, a meme. As they dont know anything about economics, logic, life, or how society works.
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I am pro gun,
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and I will personally attack anyone that hates the United States of America.
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Postby Greater Roman State » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:01 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Telconi wrote:
But we totally won't be terrorists if we do stop the same level as Antifa, because Antifa is just nice people who oppose mean people.


Correct. :)

Ah yes, those very nice and respectable citizens who smack people over the head with bike locks and smash storefront windows because they just happen to be there, as opposed to those dumb meanie-heads who just want people to follow the established immigration law, because they're evil.

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Postby Torrocca » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:01 pm

Israeli Commonwealth wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
I am irony. Nothing more, nothing less.

So you admit that you were being painfully ironic when you implied that ANTIFA attacks bad people and that they do nothing wrong?


Nah. AntiFA's an inherently good thing. More people should be anti-Fascist, tbqh.
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:02 pm

Greater Roman State wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Correct. :)

Ah yes, those very nice and respectable citizens who smack people over the head with bike locks and smash storefront windows because they just happen to be there, as opposed to those dumb meanie-heads who just want people to follow the established immigration law, because they're evil.


Ah, yes, I too remember how a Nazi committing vehicular homicide was actually a man expressing his angst over the existence of illegal immigration.
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Postby Kubra » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:03 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Israeli Commonwealth wrote:So you admit that you were being painfully ironic when you implied that ANTIFA attacks bad people and that they do nothing wrong?


Nah. AntiFA's an inherently good thing. More people should be anti-Fascist, tbqh.
And more people should be communist, come to think of it.
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:04 pm

Kubra wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Nah. AntiFA's an inherently good thing. More people should be anti-Fascist, tbqh.
And more people should be communist, come to think of it.


Hell yeah. >:3
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:04 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Greater Roman State wrote:Ah yes, those very nice and respectable citizens who smack people over the head with bike locks and smash storefront windows because they just happen to be there, as opposed to those dumb meanie-heads who just want people to follow the established immigration law, because they're evil.


Ah, yes, I too remember how a Nazi committing vehicular homicide was actually a man expressing his angst over the existence of illegal immigration.

Well, you tried to say I was fascist because I oppose illegal immigration so it does sound like an accurate representation of your views, tbh.
Yes, yes, I get it. I'm racist and fascist because I disagree with you. Can we skip that part? I've heard it a million times before and I guarantee it won't be any different when you do it
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:05 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Ah, yes, I too remember how a Nazi committing vehicular homicide was actually a man expressing his angst over the existence of illegal immigration.

Well, you tried to say I was fascist because I oppose illegal immigration so it does sound like an accurate representation of your views, tbh.


It's pretty blatantly more than just that one thing, but I guess you've never heard the phrase, "sum of the parts," huh?
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Postby Kubra » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:05 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Ah, yes, I too remember how a Nazi committing vehicular homicide was actually a man expressing his angst over the existence of illegal immigration.

Well, you tried to say I was fascist because I oppose illegal immigration so it does sound like an accurate representation of your views, tbh.
I mean when a self described nationalist calls themself a third positionist you know we're going to come to certain sets of assumptions, yeah?

I mean, you're probably not a blairite, so only a few other alternatives come to mind.
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Postby Greater Roman State » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:06 pm

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Greater Roman State wrote:Facts: gulags existed. Many millions died in those gulags. Even a broken clock can be right twice a day. Just because someone is wrong about a lot of stuff doesn't mean they can't be right about anything.


Sorry, was there a point you were trying to make here?

Yes. My point is that people can be right about things even if they're wrong about a whole lot of other stuff. Just because Dennis Prager says "communism is just as bad as Nazism" doesn't mean he's wrong simply because he was wrong about a whole ton of other stuff, and you shouldn't just go "well now I know that isn't true just because Dennis Prager said it".

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Postby Nova Cyberia » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:06 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:Well, you tried to say I was fascist because I oppose illegal immigration so it does sound like an accurate representation of your views, tbh.


It's pretty blatantly more than just that one thing, but I guess you've never heard the phrase, "sum of the parts," huh?

Ah, I forgot. I'm also nationalist and right-wing, and apparently those are the only real qualifiers for fascism as far as you're concerned.
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Postby Israeli Commonwealth » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:07 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Israeli Commonwealth wrote:So you admit that you were being painfully ironic when you implied that ANTIFA attacks bad people and that they do nothing wrong?


Nah. AntiFA's an inherently good thing. More people should be anti-Fascist, tbqh.

Oh God if Nation States allowed free speech right about now I would blow some fucking freedom onto you.
You know, some ideas in fascism are also very present in communism. Such has a strong authoritarian state. But, weirdly enough, the left of center is still very communist while right of center is generally the libertarian stand point. Meaning, the right has done much more good than the left. If you want a list of center of right ideals here...

Freedom of religion
Free speech
Individual rights
Small government
Free elections
Patriotism
Capitalism (I know you disagree with it, which further makes me hate you beyond explanation)
Innovation
Etc.
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and I will personally attack anyone that hates the United States of America.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:07 pm

Kubra wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:Well, you tried to say I was fascist because I oppose illegal immigration so it does sound like an accurate representation of your views, tbh.
I mean when a self described nationalist calls themself a third positionist you know we're going to come to certain sets of assumptions, yeah?

I mean, you're probably not a blairite, so only a few other alternatives come to mind.

Third Positionism is not fascism.
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Postby Nakena » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:07 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Greater Roman State wrote:Ah yes, those very nice and respectable citizens who smack people over the head with bike locks and smash storefront windows because they just happen to be there, as opposed to those dumb meanie-heads who just want people to follow the established immigration law, because they're evil.


Ah, yes, I too remember how a Nazi committing vehicular homicide was actually a man expressing his angst over the existence of illegal immigration.


Ah you mean the incident to which a prominent patrician lady referenced as, I quote:

Contrapoints wrote:"the rally where an edgy shitposter hilariously memed his car into a crowd of people"


Yes this was an act of terrorism. Copycat from ISIS.
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Postby The South Falls » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:08 pm

Greater Roman State wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Sorry, was there a point you were trying to make here?

Yes. My point is that people can be right about things even if they're wrong about a whole lot of other stuff. Just because Dennis Prager says "communism is just as bad as Nazism" doesn't mean he's wrong simply because he was wrong about a whole ton of other stuff, and you shouldn't just go "well now I know that isn't true just because Dennis Prager said it".

To be fair, Dennis Prager's negative reputation can lead one to have a more negative opinion of what he says.
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Postby Israeli Commonwealth » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:09 pm

Btw am I the only one going farther into depression by reading how some people are so brainwashed they genuinely think communism works.



Seriously though. I need a couple glasses of pure alcohol after that.
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I am Jewish,
I believe in free speech,
I hate socialists,
I strongly dislike muslims,
I am pro Israel/Zionist,
I am pro gun,
I am pro agriculture,
I am pro trump,
I am somewhat pro IRA (as in I am Irish and pro independence. Not the leftist IRA though),
and I will personally attack anyone that hates the United States of America.
Welcome to the real world :)

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Postby The South Falls » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:09 pm

Israeli Commonwealth wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Nah. AntiFA's an inherently good thing. More people should be anti-Fascist, tbqh.

Oh God if Nation States allowed free speech right about now I would blow some fucking freedom onto you.
You know, some ideas in fascism are also very present in communism. Such has a strong authoritarian state. But, weirdly enough, the left of center is still very communist while right of center is generally the libertarian stand point. Meaning, the right has done much more good than the left. If you want a list of center of right ideals here...

Freedom of religion
Free speech
Individual rights
Small government
Free elections
Patriotism
Capitalism (I know you disagree with it, which further makes me hate you beyond explanation)
Innovation
Etc.

These ideals are not by any means right wing. In fact both left and right wing governments have shared them.
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