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Postby Israeli Commonwealth » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:02 pm

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Israeli Commonwealth wrote:Hey so you agree with me that everyone should own a gun to protect themselves from people like ANTIFA!? Good on you mate!

Surely as a Jew you can sympathise with people who oppose the idea you belong in a concentration camp, and are willing to use force to make certain that will not happen ?

Sure. Except Jews (at least the smart ones) also learned, from the soviet union and the Arab League, that socialism is just as bad. And sure, I agree with arresting the KKK and violent Nazis but a lot of the people that ANTIFA attacks are not Nazis or part of the KKK. They are fascists to them, because those in ANTIFA are misguided and ignorant. I am right wing. I support the free market. ANTIFA doesnt
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Postby Grenartia » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:02 pm

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Fascists are inherently terrorists. Therefore, we should make fascists stop existing.

That's your logic, friendo, not mine.

If you're engaging in violence to further your political agenda then you're inherently a terrorist and should be treated as such.


Well, I'm not, so I'm not a terrorist, and not even the people actually milkshaking fascists and punching nazis are terrorists by that definition, since "furthering a political agenda" is not the reason they're doing it.

Just stop being violent, okay? Is it really that hard to not touch people?


Why don't you ask the fascists that? They're the ones whose entire political agenda inherently requires the use of violence.

There is no such thing as "peaceful ethnic cleansing" after all, no matter what that chucklefuck Richard Spencer says.
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:03 pm

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You've got a disdain for South Americans and Muslims (and, yes, I recognize Muslims aren't a race but you still hate them for their otherness). It wouldn't take much more than a cursory search into your post history to confirm that much.

Where have I shown a disdain for South Americans?

Because being against illegal immigration does not mean I hate South Americans.

As for Muslims, I don't hate them. But I freely admit to hating their religion.


Oh, please. Those are some thin-fucking-veils to hide behind.


I'm studying in the medical field.

Doesn't really mean you're an authority on brain hemorrhages.


Nope, but it's also easy enough to do a quick google search. Or, in this case, refer to what Fartsniffage is saying that his brother said.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:04 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:If you're engaging in violence to further your political agenda then you're inherently a terrorist and should be treated as such.


Well, I'm not, so I'm not a terrorist, and not even the people actually milkshaking fascists and punching nazis are terrorists by that definition, since "furthering a political agenda" is not the reason they're doing it.

Good. I'm glad you aren't.

Just stop being violent, okay? Is it really that hard to not touch people?


Why don't you ask the fascists that? They're the ones whose entire political agenda inherently requires the use of violence.

There is no such thing as "peaceful ethnic cleansing" after all, no matter what that chucklefuck Richard Spencer says.

I will be happy to tell fascists that.

Contrary to Torra's lies, I'm not a fascist.

But we aren't talking about Richard Spencer.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:04 pm

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I'm not, but my brother is. So I just called and asked him.

Short answer, you're not getting out in a day. The only way it would happen is if you self-discharge. At the very least they'd want to observe you for 48 hours to see if any serious symptoms present and sending people home to die in the night is seen as a bad thing.

He could have self-discharged.


He's a moron if he did. I don't tend to listen to the opinions of morons.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:05 pm

Torrocca wrote:Oh, please. Those are some thin-fucking-veils to hide behind.


At least for the Muslim one that isn't really a veil at all, I'm in the same camp. You can hold total disdain for a religion and believe it's incompatible with your society and civilization without hating the individual practitioners.
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Postby Israeli Commonwealth » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:06 pm

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Nova Cyberia wrote:He could have self-discharged.


He's a moron if he did. I don't tend to listen to the opinions of morons.

ANTIFA is full of morons. You listen to them.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:06 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:
Where have I shown a disdain for South Americans?

Because being against illegal immigration does not mean I hate South Americans.

As for Muslims, I don't hate them. But I freely admit to hating their religion.


Oh, please. Those are some thin-fucking-veils to hide behind.

Not really.

"Don't come here illegally" isn't racist.

Why don't you actually provide fucking evidence of me slandering South Americans?

Doesn't really mean you're an authority on brain hemorrhages.


Nope, but it's also easy enough to do a quick google search. Or, in this case, refer to what Fartsniffage is saying that his brother said.

So, again, he could have self-discharged.
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Postby ElCKuT » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:07 pm

Israeli Commonwealth wrote:
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He's a moron if he did. I don't tend to listen to the opinions of morons.

ANTIFA is full of morons.

Which group?
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:07 pm

Israeli Commonwealth wrote:
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He's a moron if he did. I don't tend to listen to the opinions of morons.

ANTIFA is full of morons. You listen to them.


Lol.

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Postby Nova Cyberia » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:08 pm

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Nova Cyberia wrote:He could have self-discharged.


He's a moron if he did. I don't tend to listen to the opinions of morons.

I'm not talking about his opinion.
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Postby Kubra » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:09 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Well, I'm not, so I'm not a terrorist, and not even the people actually milkshaking fascists and punching nazis are terrorists by that definition, since "furthering a political agenda" is not the reason they're doing it.

Good. I'm glad you aren't.


Why don't you ask the fascists that? They're the ones whose entire political agenda inherently requires the use of violence.

There is no such thing as "peaceful ethnic cleansing" after all, no matter what that chucklefuck Richard Spencer says.

I will be happy to tell fascists that.

Contrary to Torra's lies, I'm not a fascist.

But we aren't talking about Richard Spencer.
Unless you've recently been out on a demonstration, I don't think you're the one who was being referred to.
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Postby The South Falls » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:12 pm

Richard Spencer is almost like a human antifa.
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Postby Grenartia » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:13 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Well, I'm not, so I'm not a terrorist, and not even the people actually milkshaking fascists and punching nazis are terrorists by that definition, since "furthering a political agenda" is not the reason they're doing it.

Good. I'm glad you aren't.


Why don't you ask the fascists that? They're the ones whose entire political agenda inherently requires the use of violence.

There is no such thing as "peaceful ethnic cleansing" after all, no matter what that chucklefuck Richard Spencer says.

I will be happy to tell fascists that.

Contrary to Torra's lies, I'm not a fascist.

But we aren't talking about Richard Spencer.


I form my own opinions on who is and isn't a fascist.

And in a sense, yes we are talking about Richard Spencer, because he is a fascist, and any discussion about antifascism must also involve discussions about fascism and fascists. You cannot reasonably separate the topics from each other, at least not without making any discussion of them meaningless to have.

Israeli Commonwealth wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
He's a moron if he did. I don't tend to listen to the opinions of morons.

ANTIFA is full of morons. You listen to them.


:roll:

I'm gonna be honest, you don't sound much older than 13.
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Postby Kubra » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:13 pm

As for the brain bleed, Buzzfeed put out an article from the guy who brought him to the hospital who confirmed that he did suffer a subarachnoid hemorrhage. Coming from Buzzfeed, I'll trust that.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:14 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:Good. I'm glad you aren't.


I will be happy to tell fascists that.

Contrary to Torra's lies, I'm not a fascist.

But we aren't talking about Richard Spencer.


I form my own opinions on who is and isn't a fascist.

And your opinions are oftentimes wrong.

And in a sense, yes we are talking about Richard Spencer, because he is a fascist, and any discussion about antifascism must also involve discussions about fascism and fascists. You cannot reasonably separate the topics from each other, at least not without making any discussion of them meaningless to have.

If you have to rely on fascists to give your group credibility then you've already failed.

Either stand on your own feet or go away.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:16 pm

Kubra wrote:As for the brain bleed, Buzzfeed put out an article from the guy who brought him to the hospital who confirmed that he did suffer a subarachnoid hemorrhage. Coming from Buzzfeed, I'll trust that.

Good, now we can put this shitty denial to rest.
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Postby Israeli Commonwealth » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:16 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:Good. I'm glad you aren't.


I will be happy to tell fascists that.

Contrary to Torra's lies, I'm not a fascist.

But we aren't talking about Richard Spencer.


I form my own opinions on who is and isn't a fascist.

And in a sense, yes we are talking about Richard Spencer, because he is a fascist, and any discussion about antifascism must also involve discussions about fascism and fascists. You cannot reasonably separate the topics from each other, at least not without making any discussion of them meaningless to have.

Israeli Commonwealth wrote:ANTIFA is full of morons. You listen to them.


:roll:

I'm gonna be honest, you don't sound much older than 13.

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Postby Kubra » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:16 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
I form my own opinions on who is and isn't a fascist.

And your opinions are oftentimes wrong.

And in a sense, yes we are talking about Richard Spencer, because he is a fascist, and any discussion about antifascism must also involve discussions about fascism and fascists. You cannot reasonably separate the topics from each other, at least not without making any discussion of them meaningless to have.

If you have to rely on fascists to give your group credibility then you've already failed.

Either stand on your own feet or go away.
Uhhh ok s how do you separate anti-fascism from the topic of fascism
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Postby Grenartia » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:16 pm

Kubra wrote:As for the brain bleed, Buzzfeed put out an article from the guy who brought him to the hospital who confirmed that he did suffer a subarachnoid hemorrhage. Coming from Buzzfeed, I'll trust that.


Alright, so the dumbass self-discharged, and decided to go on national TV to talk about an event while still suffering the effects of a brain injury. Doesn't sound like a particularly wise course of action to me. Then again, we're talking about the same guy who spread lies about actual journalists and got them put on Atomwaffen's hitlist.
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Postby Kubra » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:17 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Kubra wrote:As for the brain bleed, Buzzfeed put out an article from the guy who brought him to the hospital who confirmed that he did suffer a subarachnoid hemorrhage. Coming from Buzzfeed, I'll trust that.

Good, now we can put this shitty denial to rest.
Well I mean to be discharged in a day it was probably not what we might call life threatening.
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:17 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Oh, please. Those are some thin-fucking-veils to hide behind.

Not really.

"Don't come here illegally" isn't racist.

Why don't you actually provide fucking evidence of me slandering South Americans?


Your entire fucking notion for dealing with the problem of illegal immigration is to make it excessively more difficult for South Americans to migrate to America, considering your love for shit like the border wall. That's the racist part, champ.


Nope, but it's also easy enough to do a quick google search. Or, in this case, refer to what Fartsniffage is saying that his brother said.

So, again, he could have self-discharged.


Which is something I doubt any good doctor would've allowed to happen if he actually had a hemorrhage.
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Postby Griemvarant » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:18 pm

My biggest question: why is fascism portrayed as a universal evil yet communism - which has spurred numerous genocides and, to date, always spawns tyrannical hellscapes - is still considered a viable ideology by many? An enormous number of Antifa terrorists (because using violence and intimidation to advance a political goal is the definition of terrorism) proudly display the hammer and sickle, and people are permitted to openly call themselves communists without fear of vigilante gangs hunting them down.

What makes fascism so much worse than communism?
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Postby Israeli Commonwealth » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:19 pm

Kubra wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:Good, now we can put this shitty denial to rest.
Well I mean to be discharged in a day it was probably not what we might call life threatening.

He could have had a concussion which bruised and caused a light bleed in the lower brain. If it was treated quickly and he had a high enough platelet count it is possible to be released in a day
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Postby Grenartia » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:19 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
I form my own opinions on who is and isn't a fascist.

And your opinions are oftentimes wrong.


And yours aren't?

And in a sense, yes we are talking about Richard Spencer, because he is a fascist, and any discussion about antifascism must also involve discussions about fascism and fascists. You cannot reasonably separate the topics from each other, at least not without making any discussion of them meaningless to have.

If you have to rely on fascists to give your group credibility then you've already failed.

Either stand on your own feet or go away.


Case in point.
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