Two Senators want Antifa labled domestic terrorists

[Greater Roman State]

ftfy <3

Because the USA promised to keep fighting nazis under the "never again" creed. Antifa is honoring that promise
Sadly, the country instead rightshifted and became more rightwing than Hitler ever was - so now half of it qualifies as nazi.

This is an absolutely absurd statement. Hitler put people in concentration camps and killed everyone who wasn't a Nazi. Putting Republicans and Nazis in the same camp is absolutely disingenuous.

[Trollgaard]

ftfy <3

Because the USA promised to keep fighting nazis under the "never again" creed. Antifa is honoring that promise
Sadly, the country instead rightshifted and became more rightwing than Hitler ever was - so now half of it qualifies as nazi.

What the fuck

[Kubra]

Because the USA promised to keep fighting nazis under the "never again" creed. Antifa is honoring that promise
Sadly, the country instead rightshifted and became more rightwing than Hitler ever was - so now half of it qualifies as nazi.

This is an absolutely absurd statement. Hitler put people in concentration camps and killed everyone who wasn't a Nazi. Putting Republicans and Nazis in the same camp is absolutely disingenuous.

didn't kill junger

[Telconi]

ftfy <3

Because the USA promised to keep fighting nazis under the "never again" creed. Antifa is honoring that promise
Sadly, the country instead rightshifted and became more rightwing than Hitler ever was - so now half of it qualifies as nazi.

NSG isn't for roleplay.

[Necroghastia]

Every single antifa group is a terrorist?

Yes.

Every single antifa group is a terrorist?

Yep.

y'all gonna give sources to back this up - that every single person who calls themself antifascist is a terrorist - or am I free to dismiss this as the baseless, blustering bullshit it looks like?

[Cenomannos infecisse santo Insel]

This is great news

[Telconi]

Yes.

Yep.

y'all gonna give sources to back this up - that every single person who calls themself antifascist is a terrorist - or am I free to dismiss this as the baseless, blustering bullshit it looks like?

Well providing sources to back up your newly relocated goalposts is probably foolish, even if they had it.

[Kaltovar]

I saw someone say that "people saying Antifa is the real Fascism are themselves Fascist". That is literally the exact kind of behavior which a Fascist exhibits: Quick to designate people into the class of those who deserve to be destroyed, paranoid and less interested in the rights of the wrongfully convicted than with terminating the guilty, and organizing in large blocs of people all wearing the same uniform to commit mob violence against these hastily-designated enemies while "purifying the country of evil" and justifying it by claiming they only fight evil people so therefore anyone who is against them is evil.

There is a difference however between a casual member, a simple protestor, and someone who participates in mob violence.

I don't think somebody should be a criminal simply for associating with the group because I know too many misguided people who literally do not believe that Antifa is an organization which participates in organized Fascist violence. They would also not partake in violence themselves, but idiotically call themselves "Members of Antifa" despite never having even been to a protest. Kind of like your cousin Ned who talks about the Race War incessantly but never hurts anyone because he's waiting for imaginary Iraqi vampires to invade from a time portal to the Soviet Union? Yeah, I view the casual members as the left wing version of Cousin Ned. Clearly insane and advocating murderous ideology, but not directly guilty of anything other than stupidity (which should be tolerated in a civilized society)

However, I'm very much in favor of the FBI heavily infiltrating them grabbing anyone who organizes serious violent activities and charging them with terrorism. Because violence to enact political change is the textbook definition of terrorism.

[Kubra]

Syncretism certainly existed before fascism. Third positionism did not.
This is still not an explanation. On what particular policies do you differ from Terza Posizione, Troisième Voie, or the National Alliance?

I reject totalitarism, racialism (aka racist bullshit) and christianity (in my case) to begin with.

Point two alone puts me at odds with most far-right group for whom, according to my very own experience, racism and/or antisemitism are the central part of their worldview.

That and a few other things.

And hey, that's a perfectly fine response. That draws at least a rough line between you and hitherto existing third position movements.
What is your opinion on Forza Nuova?

[Kubra]

I saw someone say that "people saying Antifa is the real Fascism are themselves Fascist". That is literally the exact kind of behavior which a Fascist exhibits: Quick to designate people into the class of those who deserve to be destroyed, paranoid and less interested in the rights of the wrongfully convicted than with terminating the guilty, and organizing in large blocs of people all wearing the same uniform to commit mob violence against these hastily-designated enemies while "purifying the country of evil" and justifying it by claiming they only fight evil people so therefore anyone who is against them is evil.

There is a difference however between a casual member, a simple protestor, and someone who participates in mob violence.

I don't think somebody should be a criminal simply for associating with the group because I know too many misguided people who literally do not believe that Antifa is an organization which participates in organized Fascist violence. They would also not partake in violence themselves, but idiotically call themselves "Members of Antifa" despite never having even been to a protest. Kind of like your cousin Ned who talks about the Race War incessantly but never hurts anyone because he's waiting for imaginary Iraqi vampires to invade from a time portal to the Soviet Union? Yeah, I view the casual members as the left wing version of Cousin Ned. Clearly insane and advocating murderous ideology, but not directly guilty of anything other than stupidity (which should be tolerated in a civilized society)

However, I'm very much in favor of the FBI heavily infiltrating them grabbing anyone who organizes serious violent activities and charging them with terrorism. Because violence to enact political change is the textbook definition of terrorism.

"violence to enact political change" describes most war.
I'm no fan of the stuff, don't get me wrong, but a more exact definition is needed.

[Trinitarium]

It's a good day when totalitarian thugs are seen for the violent scum that they are.

The people who threaten with guns, sticks, knives -- and attack with bicycle locks and bottles of urine -- are bullies and cowards for their murderous behavior. I think it's fine to dox terrorists. They should face the full extent of judicial ramifications.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Eh, I think calling them Terrorists would be giving them too much credit. Obnoxious? Sure. But terrorists? Ehh...that's stretching it

Agreed. They're more of a minor street gang.

[Kaltovar]

"violence to enact political change" describes most war.
I'm no fan of the stuff, don't get me wrong, but a more exact definition is needed.

You make a valid point which I will address, but I disagree in the minor regard that I believe most war is ultimately a struggle for resources whose leaders use politics as a disguise to mask wars of exploitation.

Would you accept a modified version of the Websters dictionary definition, "the use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."? It is modified to remove the word "Unlawful" from in front of "use of violence and intimidation", because that implies that such a thing as law can exonerate terrorist behavior. Unlike my previous definition, it heavily weights civilians being the target of your actions and to what extent intimidation accompanies your violence.

Subjectively speaking, bellow:

I consider the attempts of certain sub-groups within Antifa to be terroristic. For example, the recent attempted bombing of an ICE facility ... One could argue that this is a valid method of resistance against a nation which puts people in concentration camps, except that bombing the concentration camp is a great way to also kill the people who are living there, and in the current circumstance will NOT result in an improvement of their living conditions. There have also not been any Mass Killings, and I literally can't see what such a bombing will achieve except giving more power to the far right and possibly killing immigrants or ICE officers.

Objectively speaking: (If you accept the provided definition of terrorism)

For several incidents of Antifa fucking with unrelated civilians (The People, in the terms of Marx) who were painted as Fascists on surreptitious grounds, I refer you to this quora list of which the first and chosen comment is the worst and most sarcastic:
https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-vid ... protesters

[Kubra]

"violence to enact political change" describes most war.
I'm no fan of the stuff, don't get me wrong, but a more exact definition is needed.

You make a valid point which I will address, but I disagree in the minor regard that I believe most war is ultimately a struggle for resources whose leaders use politics as a disguise to mask wars of exploitation.

Would you accept a modified version of the Websters dictionary definition, "the use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."? It is modified to remove the word "Unlawful" from in front of "use of violence and intimidation", because that implies that such a thing as law can exonerate terrorist behavior. Unlike my previous definition, it heavily weights civilians being the target of your actions and to what extent intimidation accompanies your violence.

Subjectively speaking, bellow:

I consider the attempts of certain sub-groups within Antifa to be terroristic. For example, the recent attempted bombing of an ICE facility ... One could argue that this is a valid method of resistance against a nation which puts people in concentration camps, except that bombing the concentration camp is a great way to also kill the people who are living there, and in the current circumstance will NOT result in an improvement of their living conditions. There have also not been any Mass Killings, and I literally can't see what such a bombing will achieve except giving more power to the far right and possibly killing immigrants or ICE officers.

Objectively speaking: (If you accept the provided definition of terrorism)

For several incidents of Antifa fucking with unrelated civilians (The People, in the terms of Marx) who were painted as Fascists on surreptitious grounds, I refer you to this quora list of which the first and chosen comment is the worst and most sarcastic:
https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-vid ... protesters

We are not currently embroiled in a war in afghanistan to obtain resources. There are none worth mentioning. And in any case, territorial wars are inherently political.

I ain't touching the rest.

[Bread Herbert]

Antifa is a domestic terrorist group.

[Vassenor]

Antifa is a domestic terrorist group.

That's a hot take right there. Are you actually going to explain why or are you just going to drop a potentially inflammatory statement and run?

[Kubra]

Antifa is a domestic terrorist group.

no ur a domestic terrorist group

[Bread Herbert]

Antifa is a domestic terrorist group.

That's a hot take right there. Are you actually going to explain why or are you just going to drop a potentially inflammatory statement and run?

Lets see, they actively destroy property and engage in violence against journalists, veterans, police officers, people that are even slightly right-wing, and basically anyone they don't like. They are terrorists. End of discussion. Bye bye.

[ElCKuT]

That's a hot take right there. Are you actually going to explain why or are you just going to drop a potentially inflammatory statement and run?

Lets see, they actively destroy property and engage in violence against journalists, veterans, police officers, people that are even slightly right-wing, and basically anyone they don't like. They are terrorists. End of discussion. Bye bye.

Which antifa group are you talking about?

[Aureumterra]

Lets see, they actively destroy property and engage in violence against journalists, veterans, police officers, people that are even slightly right-wing, and basically anyone they don't like. They are terrorists. End of discussion. Bye bye.

Which antifa group are you talking about?

Smash Racism DC is an example

[Vassenor]

That's a hot take right there. Are you actually going to explain why or are you just going to drop a potentially inflammatory statement and run?

Lets see, they actively destroy property and engage in violence against journalists, veterans, police officers, people that are even slightly right-wing, and basically anyone they don't like. They are terrorists. End of discussion. Bye bye.

Oh, so they're terrorists because FOX News told you so. Got it.

[Bread Herbert]

Lets see, they actively destroy property and engage in violence against journalists, veterans, police officers, people that are even slightly right-wing, and basically anyone they don't like. They are terrorists. End of discussion. Bye bye.

Oh, so they're terrorists because FOX News told you so. Got it.

I don't go by propaganda networks like FauxNews or CNN.

[Vassenor]

Oh, so they're terrorists because FOX News told you so. Got it.

I don't go by propaganda networks like FauxNews or CNN.

Yet you're unironically parroting them.

[Bread Herbert]

I don't go by propaganda networks like FauxNews or CNN.

Yet you're unironically parroting them.

So are you.

[Vassenor]

Yet you're unironically parroting them.

So are you.

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