Two Senators want Antifa labled domestic terrorists

[Mettaton-EX]

any definition of terrorism that starts out with "unlawful" is 100% worthless

generally terrorist behavior falls under a definition of unlawfulness, save for in tinpot dictatorships

"most places have laws against terrorism, which is defined as an unlawful activity etc" is a circular argument

[Telconi]

generally terrorist behavior falls under a definition of unlawfulness, save for in tinpot dictatorships

"most places have laws against terrorism, which is defined as an unlawful activity etc" is a circular argument

All laws are enforced against unlawful activities, this is self-evident.

[Aclion]

Violence is not free speech.

Violence isn't free speech, but you sure as shit need violence to protect free speech from those that'd do away with it if the opportunity arose, like, say, the fascists that AntiFA opposes.

And here we the myth of self defense against dissent, which the terrorists use to justify violence against those they disagree with.

[Rojava Free State]

>terrorism is about using indiscriminate violence to achieve political aims
>antifa aren't terrorists

How?

Because A) AntiFA's still a social movement made up of multiple independent or co-dependent individuals, groups, and organizations and B) because their violence is mostly discriminatory against Fascists, barring incidents of non-Fascists and innocent people getting caught in the crossfire.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-PSYPrE5LrQ

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bwE620VkaD0

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nAdDBGFBbiw

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gJuHh_jUjd0

It isn't getting caught in the cross fire when antifa deliberately attacks nonfascists. Antifa fits the definition of terrorists whether you like it or not

[The South Falls]

generally terrorist behavior falls under a definition of unlawfulness, save for in tinpot dictatorships

"most places have laws against terrorism, which is defined as an unlawful activity etc" is a circular argument

I mean the behaviors used to carry out terrorism are generally illegal.

Extortion, murder, blackmail, assault, money laundering, theft, etc. all illegal

[ElCKuT]

The difference is I try to learn.

You don't fucking think I do? I used to be a fucking conservative. How do you think I got where I am today? By fucking learning from my mistakes, being open minded, and thinking critically and for myself, that's how.

Dang, I did the same thing and ended up an Islamist from being a liberal.

Nah. AntiFA's an inherently good thing. More people should be anti-Fascist, tbqh.

Oh God if Nation States allowed free speech right about now I would blow some fucking freedom onto you.
You know, some ideas in fascism are also very present in communism. Such has a strong authoritarian state.

Actually communism doesn't even advocate for a state. It advocates against it.

I love how there's so many people in this thread who are like "well not ALL right-wingers" and then go and try to claim every antifascist is chomping at the bit to go beat the shi* out of innocent people.

^This. Idk how many times I've had to say "antifa is not an organization. It's a social movement consisted of various anti-fascist groups."

No. I'm just curious as to why you'd equate Rose City AntiFA to Al-Qaeda.

Both terrorists.

Do you even know who Rose City Antifa is?

[Nova Cyberia]

The communists and anarchists who overwhelmingly make up Antifa are ideological and want to promote their ideology by violent means.

TIL'd "Fascism bad" is an ideology.

Communism, socialism, and anarchism are, though. And that's Antifa.

Your bait is getting weaker every day.

It's not bait to repeat what you said.

It is when you're deliberately twisting someone's words.

Violence in the pursuit of political aims is political violence, fam.

Lol

"Political violence" is an umbrella term. "The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims" is a specific definition.

But we already know that you don't care to acknowledge your blatant wrongness here, so it's best to just disregard what you're saying tbh.

Political violence is literally violence in the suit of political aims. Holy fucking shit, I really need to grab the crayons.

[ElCKuT]

Antifa is NOT an organization. It is a SOCIAL MOVEMENT consisting of VARIOUS, DIFFERENT GROUPS. If you want to criticize, criticize each individual antifa group, or better yet, the exact person themselves.

[Mettaton-EX]

"most places have laws against terrorism, which is defined as an unlawful activity etc" is a circular argument

I mean the behaviors used to carry out terrorism are generally illegal.

Extortion, murder, blackmail, assault, money laundering, theft, etc. all illegal

depends on who does them

[Rojava Free State]

Antifa is NOT an organization. It is a SOCIAL MOVEMENT consisting of VARIOUS, DIFFERENT GROUPS. If you want to criticize, criticize each individual antifa group, or better yet, the exact person themselves.

Okay. Every anti fascist organization that uses unprovoked violence against anyone they disagree with is a terror group

[Luminesa]

So you admit that you were being painfully ironic when you implied that ANTIFA attacks bad people and that they do nothing wrong?

Nah. AntiFA's an inherently good thing. More people should be anti-Fascist, tbqh.

You CAN be anti-fascist and also not be a member of the organization AntiFa...

[Vassenor]

Antifa is NOT an organization. It is a SOCIAL MOVEMENT consisting of VARIOUS, DIFFERENT GROUPS. If you want to criticize, criticize each individual antifa group, or better yet, the exact person themselves.

You're using logic that would make it hard to use this as a convenient excuse to shut down anti-Trump protests. You really should stop.

[ElCKuT]

Antifa is NOT an organization. It is a SOCIAL MOVEMENT consisting of VARIOUS, DIFFERENT GROUPS. If you want to criticize, criticize each individual antifa group, or better yet, the exact person themselves.

Okay. Every anti fascist organization that uses unprovoked violence against anyone they disagree with is a terror group

Assuming they do it for political/religious reasons, agreed.

[Rojava Free State]

Okay. Every anti fascist organization that uses unprovoked violence against anyone they disagree with is a terror group

Assuming they do it for political/religious reasons, agreed.

Yes. It doesn't count if they get violent while at McDonalds because they ran out of fountain drinks

[Strahcoin]

Btw am I the only one going farther into depression by reading how some people are so brainwashed they genuinely think communism works.



Seriously though. I need a couple glasses of pure alcohol after that.

Don't worry. Remember that there are lots of people like us: people who know that communism is one of the worst ideologies in existence.

Btw am I the only one going farther into depression by reading how some people are so brainwashed they genuinely think communism works.



Seriously though. I need a couple glasses of pure alcohol after that.

As opposed to all the people who genuinely think fascism is not only OK but needs to be defended?

Only the alt-right, a very tiny "group", thinks fascism is okay.

We conservatives are not defending the ideology; we are defending the right for fascists to peacefully express it. And if you think fascists don't have the freedom of speech, it doesn't make you much better than them.

I love how there's so many people in this thread who are like "well not ALL right-wingers" and then go and try to claim every antifascist is chomping at the bit to go beat the shit out of innocent people.

Every "Antifa" member, not "every antifascist". Similarly to "every ISIS member, not every Muslim".

Most antifascists are good (such as Donald Trump, Ben Shapiro, Dennis Prager, and Winston Churchill), just as most Muslims are. Antifa, just like ISIS, is a bad extremist group that attacks those who peacefully disagrees with it - even antifascists.

Now, I know that ISIS is far worse than Antifa. However, the analogy still stands (as much as I know you'd like to deny it).

[Highever]

Btw am I the only one going farther into depression by reading how some people are so brainwashed they genuinely think communism works.



Seriously though. I need a couple glasses of pure alcohol after that.

I mean theres plenty of people that think Nazism is still a viable ideology in the 21st century as well.

[Torrocca]

TIL'd "Fascism bad" is an ideology.

Communism, socialism, and anarchism are, though. And that's Antifa.

AntiFA is anti-Fascism and nothing more.

It's not bait to repeat what you said.

It is when you're deliberately twisting someone's words.

Except I'm not, famalam.

"Political violence" is an umbrella term. "The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims" is a specific definition.

But we already know that you don't care to acknowledge your blatant wrongness here, so it's best to just disregard what you're saying tbh.

Political violence is literally violence in the suit of political aims. Holy fucking shit, I really need to grab the crayons.

Political violence isn't the definition of terrorism, champ, but please keep pretending it is.

Nah. AntiFA's an inherently good thing. More people should be anti-Fascist, tbqh.

You CAN be anti-fascist and also not be a member of the organization AntiFa...

AntiFA isn't an organization, and anyone who's anti-Fascist is automatically AntiFA.

[Telconi]

Communism, socialism, and anarchism are, though. And that's Antifa.

AntiFA is anti-Fascism and nothing more.

It is when you're deliberately twisting someone's words.

Except I'm not, famalam.

Political violence is literally violence in the suit of political aims. Holy fucking shit, I really need to grab the crayons.

Political violence isn't the definition of terrorism, champ, but please keep pretending it is.

You CAN be anti-fascist and also not be a member of the organization AntiFa...

AntiFA isn't an organization, and anyone who's anti-Fascist is automatically AntiFA.

Iunno man. They got a flag and shit.

[Nova Cyberia]

Communism, socialism, and anarchism are, though. And that's Antifa.

AntiFA is anti-Fascism and nothing more.

It's overwhelmingly communists and anarchists.

It is when you're deliberately twisting someone's words.

Except I'm not, famalam.

Well, you seem to be having a hard time realizing that two obviously synonymous terms are synonymous.

Would the crayons help, sweetheart?

Political violence is literally violence in the suit of political aims. Holy fucking shit, I really need to grab the crayons.

Political violence isn't the definition of terrorism, champ, but please keep pretending it is.

Violence in the pursuit of political aims is political violence. I've already provided you with the definition. There's not much else I can do for you here except hope the crayons reach you.

[Israeli Commonwealth]

Btw am I the only one going farther into depression by reading how some people are so brainwashed they genuinely think communism works.



Seriously though. I need a couple glasses of pure alcohol after that.

I mean theres plenty of people that think Nazism is still a viable ideology in the 21st century as well.

Unfortunately. (I wrote a multi-paragraph response but something fucked happened and it didn't send. Imagine me coming in with an excellent talking point. xD)

[Torrocca]

AntiFA is anti-Fascism and nothing more.

It's overwhelmingly communists and anarchists.

AntiFA is anti-Fascism and nothing more.

Except I'm not, famalam.

Well, you seem to be having a hard time realizing that two obviously synonymous terms are synonymous.

Get back to me when you learn to distinguish the differences between "political violence" and "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims", and then maybe this dumb accusation of yours can have some merit to it.

Political violence isn't the definition of terrorism, champ, but please keep pretending it is.

Violence in the pursuit of political aims is political violence. I've already provided you with the definition.

Who cares? Political violence still isn't the fucking definition of terrorism like you're trying to insinuate.

[ElCKuT]

AntiFA is anti-Fascism and nothing more.



Except I'm not, famalam.



Political violence isn't the definition of terrorism, champ, but please keep pretending it is.



AntiFA isn't an organization, and anyone who's anti-Fascist is automatically AntiFA.

Iunno man. They got a flag and shi*.

Which group has a flag?

[Telconi]

Iunno man. They got a flag and shi*.

Which group has a flag?

AntiFa

[ElCKuT]

Which group has a flag?

AntiFa

Not a group. Try again.

[Nova Cyberia]

It's overwhelmingly communists and anarchists.

AntiFA is anti-Fascism and nothing more.

You know it isn't really a secret that Antifa is mostly left-wing, right? Could you stop lying?

The antifa (/ænˈtiːfə, ˈæntiˌfɑː/)[1] movement is comprised of left-wing autonomous, militant anti-fascist[7] groups and individuals in the United States.[11] 

Well, you seem to be having a hard time realizing that two obviously synonymous terms are synonymous.

Get back to me when you learn to distinguish the differences between "political violence" and "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims", and then maybe this dumb accusation of yours can have some merit to it.

I know you're confused by these two synonyms.

Violence in the pursuit of political aims is political violence. I've already provided you with the definition.

Who cares? Political violence still isn't the fucking definition of terrorism like you're trying to insinuate.

Just a synonymous term for it, which you find confusing.