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Nova Cyberia
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:33 pm

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Nova Cyberia wrote:Jew boi here.

Antifa does not protect me.


I don't think anyone had any doubts that AntiFA wouldn't protect a Fascist.

One side wants to kill me for being a Jew and the other wants to kill me for being a reactionary.

Wow, thanks. Really helps.
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Postby Pacomia » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:34 pm

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The South Falls wrote:That moment when your gangs are so big they are a political party, price controller, economic force, sports conglomerate and murder operation all at once


I would say all governments are gangs, the only difference is perceived legitimacy.

Deep. But false.
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:35 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
I don't think anyone had any doubts that AntiFA wouldn't protect a Fascist.

One side wants to kill me for being a Jew and the other wants to kill me for being a reactionary.

Wow, thanks. Really helps.


Ah, and now you actually openly admit to being a Fascist?

Proud of you for embracing honesty.

But, no, actually, anti-Fascists would much rather not kill people.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:37 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:One side wants to kill me for being a Jew and the other wants to kill me for being a reactionary.

Wow, thanks. Really helps.


Ah, and now you actually openly admit to being a Fascist?

Proud of you for embracing honesty.

>tfw being reactionary automatically makes you fascist

You really are proving me wrong when it comes to you having no ideological nuance at all. :lol:

But, no, actually, anti-Fascists would much rather not kill people.

You can tell by how they beat the shit out of people.
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:39 pm

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Holy Tedalonia wrote:Japans famous for political corruption and delinquency. The Yakuza bring american crime syndicates to shame.

Yakuza doesn't fucking make streets in Japan dangerous, let alone as dangerous as Detroit.

Your talking about literal gangs not being a threat to japans society. Folks who have committed murder, sex trafficking, and other countless crimes.
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:42 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Ah, and now you actually openly admit to being a Fascist?

Proud of you for embracing honesty.

>tfw being reactionary automatically makes you fascist

You really are proving me wrong when it comes to you having no ideological nuance at all. :lol:


I mean, it's not just that that makes you a Fascist, champ.

But, no, actually, anti-Fascists would much rather not kill people.

You can tell by how they beat the shit out of people.


You can also tell by how they haven't killed anyone, unlike their direct opposition.
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Postby Nakena » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:44 pm

Torrocca wrote:I mean, it's not just that that makes you a Fascist, champ.


What does makes one?

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Postby Nova Cyberia » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:45 pm

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Nova Cyberia wrote:>tfw being reactionary automatically makes you fascist

You really are proving me wrong when it comes to you having no ideological nuance at all. :lol:


I mean, it's not just that that makes you a Fascist, champ.

Then explain what does.

Actually, you know what, why don't you define what a fascist actually is? Bonus points if you can do it without scrambling to Google the definition. ;)

You can tell by how they beat the shit out of people.


You can also tell by how they haven't killed anyone, unlike their direct opposition.

Nah, they just gave a dude a brain bleed. You can tell they're trying real hard.
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:45 pm

Nakena wrote:
Torrocca wrote:I mean, it's not just that that makes you a Fascist, champ.


What does makes one?


Political beliefs, mostly. In that regard, NC's got more than enough that make him a Fascist, but he's certainly adamant about claiming otherwise when the label gets mentioned.
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Postby Wallenburg » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:45 pm

Nakena wrote:
Torrocca wrote:I mean, it's not just that that makes you a Fascist, champ.


What does makes one?

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Postby Nova Cyberia » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:46 pm

Nakena wrote:
Torrocca wrote:I mean, it's not just that that makes you a Fascist, champ.


What does makes one?

Being right-wing and reactionary, apparently.
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Postby The South Falls » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:46 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
EastKekistan wrote:Yakuza doesn't fucking make streets in Japan dangerous, let alone as dangerous as Detroit.

Your talking about literal gangs not being a threat to japans society. Folks who have committed murder, sex trafficking, and other countless crimes.

Yea, I don't know when we came to the conclusion that gangs aren't dangerous
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Postby The South Falls » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:47 pm

Reactionaries can be fascist, though without any other context, reactionary =/= fascist.
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:47 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
I mean, it's not just that that makes you a Fascist, champ.

Then explain what does.

Actually, you know what, why don't you define what a fascist actually is? Bonus points if you can do it without scrambling to Google the definition. ;)


It's simple enough: your political beliefs make you a Fascist. You've got all the right marks: unabashed authoritarianism, extreme nationalism, reactionary beliefs, a disdain for the "other" (other being people of different races and the like, of course), and so on.


You can also tell by how they haven't killed anyone, unlike their direct opposition.

Nah, they just gave a dude a brain bleed. You can tell they're trying real hard.


>brain bleed
>left the hospital in a day

Does not compute.
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Postby Union of Sovereign States and Republics » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:48 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:Then explain what does.

Actually, you know what, why don't you define what a fascist actually is? Bonus points if you can do it without scrambling to Google the definition. ;)


Ooh, I can do that!

Fascist governments are either hard or far right and adhere to fascism, a political ideology which the state dominates over the people, loyalty is made to serve the Fascist State, and the military and/or corporations are highly nationalized and/or prioritized. Most (but not all) fascist ideologies focus on irredentism or focuses of a "pan-nationalist" state.

Did I get it right?
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:48 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:Then explain what does.

Actually, you know what, why don't you define what a fascist actually is? Bonus points if you can do it without scrambling to Google the definition. ;)


It's simple enough: your political beliefs make you a Fascist. You've got all the right marks: unabashed authoritarianism, extreme nationalism, reactionary beliefs, a disdain for the "other" (other being people of different races and the like, of course), and so on.

Mm, okay.

What races do I hate?

Nah, they just gave a dude a brain bleed. You can tell they're trying real hard.


>brain bleed
>left the hospital in a day

Does not compute.

You a doctor?
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:49 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
They'd probably want to punch even nice and cuddly people like me if they got the chance. Sadface.


DI don't bulli me with this libel ;~;


There seems to be a suspiciously well-repeated and barely rules-compliant script lately about o b v i o u s l y not wanting to personally instigate violence (wink) but not being sad if people vaguely leaning in that ideological direction just happened to get beaten up. Even for terminally-gullible useful idiots as myself this starts to get the gears turning for a Big Think on whether everyone's being entirely ingenuous.

As much as I find you entertaining online, if there was somehow an NS meetup in range and your NS left-anarchist gang were going I wouldn't be coming without a team of bodyguards.
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Postby Union of Sovereign States and Republics » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:49 pm

The South Falls wrote:Reactionaries can be fascist, though without any other context, reactionary =/= fascist.

Bismarck was a reactionary, but he wasn't a fascist. In fact, most reactionaries throughout history haven't been fascist. I don't see where the guy's coming from when he says reactionary = fascist.
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Postby Kubra » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:50 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Kubra wrote: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.pr ... -1.5468898
I mean, coming from Haaretz, I mean you know what's up.
It's not all fascistic sunshine and roses of course, the topic of forced removal of palestinian arabs did come up and some figures were definitely for it, but the big political concern for the fascists was great britain and the soviets. In their mind, I suppose they saw the arabs as natural allies.

Brit HaBirionim (the zionist fascists you spoke of) existed in the early 30s. Your article talks about Herut support for ending martial law in 1966. You are three decades off, and talking about the wrong political faction.
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Postby Nakena » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:51 pm



Oh no. Theres a few things that fit to me. What do I now? Fash up?

And some others totally dont.

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Postby Pacomia » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:52 pm

Union of Sovereign States and Republics wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:Then explain what does.

Actually, you know what, why don't you define what a fascist actually is? Bonus points if you can do it without scrambling to Google the definition. ;)


Ooh, I can do that!

Fascist governments are either hard or far right and adhere to fascism, a political ideology which the state dominates over the people, loyalty is made to serve the Fascist State, and the military and/or corporations are highly nationalized and/or prioritized. Most (but not all) fascist ideologies focus on irredentism or focuses of a "pan-nationalist" state.

Did I get it right?

Yeah, closer than those "14 traits", in my opinion. Mussolini, having been an early pioneer of fascism, set out three main principles of fascism. Since he was one of the first, I think his word might be final. The principles were:
1. Everything in the state.
2. Nothing against the state.
3. Nothing outside the state.
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:59 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
It's simple enough: your political beliefs make you a Fascist. You've got all the right marks: unabashed authoritarianism, extreme nationalism, reactionary beliefs, a disdain for the "other" (other being people of different races and the like, of course), and so on.

Mm, okay.

What races do I hate?


You've got a disdain for South Americans and Muslims (and, yes, I recognize Muslims aren't a race but you still hate them for their otherness). It wouldn't take much more than a cursory search into your post history to confirm that much.


>brain bleed
>left the hospital in a day

Does not compute.

You a doctor?


I'm studying in the medical field.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:00 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:You a doctor?


I'm not, but my brother is. So I just called and asked him.

Short answer, you're not getting out in a day. The only way it would happen is if you self-discharge. At the very least they'd want to observe you for 48 hours to see if any serious symptoms present and sending people home to die in the night is seen as a bad thing.

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Postby Nova Cyberia » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:01 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:Mm, okay.

What races do I hate?


You've got a disdain for South Americans and Muslims (and, yes, I recognize Muslims aren't a race but you still hate them for their otherness). It wouldn't take much more than a cursory search into your post history to confirm that much.

Where have I shown a disdain for South Americans?

Because being against illegal immigration does not mean I hate South Americans.

As for Muslims, I don't hate them. But I freely admit to hating their religion.

You a doctor?


I'm studying in the medical field.

Doesn't really mean you're an authority on brain hemorrhages.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:02 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:You a doctor?


I'm not, but my brother is. So I just called and asked him.

Short answer, you're not getting out in a day. The only way it would happen is if you self-discharge. At the very least they'd want to observe you for 48 hours to see if any serious symptoms present and sending people home to die in the night is seen as a bad thing.

He could have self-discharged.
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