Two Senators want Antifa labled domestic terrorists

[Nova Cyberia]

Which they do.

Every time I hear about some person supposedly attacked by antifa as if it was a random, unprovoked attack, I do some googling and find that person is associated with far-right reactionaries.

Why is that a good enough excuse to assault someone?

[Fahran]

Careful now, Fah, if you advocate for self-defense then you're advocating for violence, and that's rule-breaking behavior.

NS is filled with city-slickers though. Ergo no one here has the right to ever use violence in any context.

As a rural lady, I possess the sole right to decide when someone requires a proper beating and I say that's never.

[Torrocca]

You literally say that you are a third position follower. You realize that that’s literally fascism right?

I was unaware it's literally fascism, but thanks for letting me know.

You have about the same degree of nuance when it comes to ideology as Torra does.

It's almost universally seen as Fascism in the field of political science, but you do you in pretending you're not a Fascist, champ.

[Torrocca]

Careful now, Fah, if you advocate for self-defense then you're advocating for violence, and that's rule-breaking behavior.

NS is filled with city-slickers though. Ergo no one here has the right to ever use violence in any context.

As a rural lady, I possess the sole right to decide when someone requires a proper beating and I say that's never.

Hecc, now I can't get the proper beating I deserve ;~;

[Gormwood]

Kinda bound to happen eventually if you allow violence to occur without very precise regulations and restrictions.

Kinda hard to regulate something that's a social movement and not an actual organization, to be fair.

Next, LGBT Pride will be declared a terrorist organization.

[Nova Cyberia]

I was unaware it's literally fascism, but thanks for letting me know.

You have about the same degree of nuance when it comes to ideology as Torra does.

It's almost universally seen as Fascism in the field of political science, but you do you in pretending you're not a Fascist, champ.

Oooh

Is WRA a fascist too?

[EastKekistan]

Instead of going after "domestic terrorists" of whatever side FBI and the police should go after urban violence. If there is domestic terrorism then this is real domestic terrorism, not Proud Boys or Antifa.

[Conservative New America]

It's funny that my claim that neither side is terroristic is completely ignored.

We're having people hit with bats/bike locks and now at least one side has indirectly created an atmosphere in which a molotov was thrown and shots fired at law enforcement.

It's getting close if it's not there.

I'd rather no one be radicalized and return to centrism but certain people disagree.

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Every time I hear about some person supposedly attacked by antifa as if it was a random, unprovoked attack, I do some googling and find that person is associated with far-right reactionaries.

Why is that a good enough excuse to assault someone?

I didn't say it is, but in any political demonstration I afford at least some benefit of the doubt that an altercation involved self-defense, in the same way that others afford such benefit of the doubt to police officers who shoot unarmed people.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Instead of going after "domestic terrorists" of whatever side FBI and the police should go after urban violence. If there is domestic terrorism then this is real domestic terrorism.

Urban crime isn't done for a political purpose.

[Fahran]

Kinda hard to regulate something that's a social movement and not an actual organization, to be fair.

Fair, but there is organization at the local level in most cases. Hence how some groups have been able to implement riot tactics and whatnot. A simple "don't hit anyone unless they hit you" approach could do a lot to curtail violence and it'd only take posting it on a Facebook group to do it.

[EastKekistan]

Instead of going after "domestic terrorists" of whatever side FBI and the police should go after urban violence. If there is domestic terrorism then this is real domestic terrorism.

Urban crime isn't done for a political purpose.

Maybe it is done for a demographic purpose (anti-gentrification) which is political. Moreover urban violence clearly has a lot more significant political effect on America compared to all forms of "domestic terrorism".

[Nova Cyberia]

Why is that a good enough excuse to assault someone?

I didn't say it is, but in any political demonstration I afford at least some benefit of the doubt that an altercation involved self-defense, in the same way that others afford such benefit of the doubt to police officers who shoot unarmed people.

If they were not assaulting someone then they're innocent, which is the point. Holding reactionary right-wing views does not mean that someone is not innocent.

[ElCKuT]

Vass, sense when were the Proud Boys terrorists? Besides, this thread's about antifa, not the Proud Boys.

Neither qualifies as terrorists. To be terrorists they need to have a higher body count than at least the Khorasan province of ISIS.

That's not the definition of terrorism.

Nope.

...how... Your bio says fascists should be destroyed. Statistically more people have died under communist regimes than fascist ones. Much more. And besides, trying to kill people because you disagree is retarded.

Communist regimes don't exist. Also that's a whataboutism. It's also off topic.

Instead of going after "domestic terrorists" of whatever side FBI and the police should go after urban violence. If there is domestic terrorism then this is real domestic terrorism, not Proud Boys or Antifa.

Urban violence =/÷ domestic terrorism

[Torrocca]

Kinda hard to regulate something that's a social movement and not an actual organization, to be fair.

Fair, but there is organization at the local level in most cases. Hence how some groups have been able to implement riot tactics and whatnot. A simple "don't hit anyone unless they hit you" approach could do a lot to curtail violence and it'd only take posting it on a Facebook group to do it.

That's fair, and in that regard, they could easily do that. At that point, though, blame falls more on the locality than AntiFA as a whole.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Why is that a good enough excuse to assault someone?

I didn't say it is, but in any political demonstration I afford at least some benefit of the doubt that an altercation involved self-defense, in the same way that others afford such benefit of the doubt to police officers who shoot unarmed people.

I do recall a person roundhouse kicking a person, because some chick was recording and debating with him. People tend to be assholes over politics.

[Fahran]

It's almost universally seen as Fascism in the field of political science, but you do you in pretending you're not a Fascist, champ.

I've flirted with non-capitalist, non-socialist ideologies in the past. Distributism, Georgism, etc. have been characterized as third positions, so I'd be a bit more nuanced about it, especially given that half of us on NS are nonconformist goofballs.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Urban crime isn't done for a political purpose.

Maybe it is done for a demographic purpose (anti-gentrification) which is political.

No it's usually just done on a "hey I'm in assloads of poverty and can make money robbing people or selling drugs" basis lol

[Torrocca]

It's almost universally seen as Fascism in the field of political science, but you do you in pretending you're not a Fascist, champ.

Oooh

Is WRA a fascist too?

WRA's got a good number of beliefs that'd be considered Fascist.

[Nova Cyberia]

It's almost universally seen as Fascism in the field of political science, but you do you in pretending you're not a Fascist, champ.

I've flirted with non-capitalist, non-socialist ideologies in the past. Distributism, Georgism, etc. have been characterized as third positions, so I'd be a bit more nuanced about it, especially given that half of us on NS are nonconformist goofballs.

Torra has the ideological nuance you'd expect from a commie (ie none at all). We're all either fascists, capitalists, or communists.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Oooh

Is WRA a fascist too?

WRA's got a good number of beliefs that'd be considered Fascist.

The day WRA's fascist, is the day america falls into anarchy.

[Nova Cyberia]

Oooh

Is WRA a fascist too?

WRA's got a good number of beliefs that'd be considered Fascist.

Do explain. Because I know you have absolutely no idea what fascism is.

[Torrocca]

It's almost universally seen as Fascism in the field of political science, but you do you in pretending you're not a Fascist, champ.

I've flirted with non-capitalist, non-socialist ideologies in the past. Distributism, Georgism, etc. have been characterized as third positions, so I'd be a bit more nuanced about it, especially given that half of us on NS are nonconformist goofballs.

I'm pretty doubtful those would be among the mainstream in Third Positionism, tbqh.

[Fahran]

That's fair, and in that regard, they could easily do that. At that point, though, blame falls more on the locality than AntiFA as a whole.

Yeah, I tend to talk about Antifa organizations/chapters/associations when talking about these kinds of problematic behaviors. The local Antifa groups in my areas go to protests, but they usually don't bring weapons, aside from the ones that everybody carry. Most of their activities are actually philanthropic work.

[EastKekistan]

It's funny that my claim that neither side is terroristic is completely ignored.

We're having people hit with bats/bike locks and now at least one side has indirectly created an atmosphere in which a molotov was thrown and shots fired at law enforcement.

It's getting close if it's not there.

I'd rather no one be radicalized and return to centrism but certain people disagree.

I know it is bad. However it's not at the level of terrorism yet. When it happens we need to use the term. Right now nope.