Two Senators want Antifa labled domestic terrorists

[EastKekistan]

Just like "Nazism", "Satanism", "rape" and many other curse words "terrorists" is a ridiculously inflated concept.

Is there any entity in the United States that randomly kills people more than occasionally other than ISIS?

[Israeli Commonwealth]

So we can all agree that Antifa are terrorists, then?

Nope.

...how... Your bio says fascists should be destroyed. Statistically more people have died under communist regimes than fascist ones. Much more. And besides, trying to kill people because you disagree is retarded.

[Nova Cyberia]

Why? Terrorists have no right to exist.

I just have great trouble understanding the phrase "it is bad to punch a nazi".
It seems so unamerican.

We aren't at war, but whatever.

[Fahran]

Vass, sense when were the Proud Boys terrorists? Besides, this thread's about antifa, not the Proud Boys.

Any rationale that is used to call antifa terrorists applies to Proud Boys. There is no logically consistent way to deem antifa terrorists but Proud Boys not.

The two are basically the same things in this context - just on different sides.

[Conservative New America]

Vass, sense when were the Proud Boys terrorists? Besides, this thread's about antifa, not the Proud Boys.

Any rationale that is used to call antifa terrorists applies to Proud Boys. There is no logically consistent way to deem antifa terrorists but Proud Boys not.

Proud Boys exist as a counterreaction to antifa.

If both went away we wouldn't have two diametrically opposed groups fighting in the first place.

[Nova Cyberia]

So we can all agree that Antifa are terrorists, then?

No, terrorists harm innocent people.

Which they do.

[Imbalistan]

Nope.

...how... Your bio says fascists should be destroyed. Statistically more people have died under communist regimes than fascist ones. Much more. And besides, trying to kill people because you disagree is retarded.

I may disagree with your political views, but yeah, political violence, or just violence in general is bad.

[Torrocca]

Why? Terrorists have no right to exist.

I just have great trouble understanding the phrase "it is bad to punch a nazi".
It seems so unamerican.

NC's a Fascist who calls himself a National-Syndicalist (or, at least, they did do that; IDK what fucking label they're using nowadays), so, of course, they're gonna dislike the idea of punching a Nazi.

[Drapion]

ITT: People and two senators who don't understand the definition of Fascism praising the proposed legalized abolishment of anti-Fascists because people think violence is Fascism.

Imagine the amount of totally legitimate shock I'm currently definitely experiencing.

Funny, considering you endorsed a terrorist who tried to burn down a detainment center filled with children.

You literally say that you are a third position follower. You realize that that’s literally fascism right?

[Torrocca]

...how... Your bio says fascists should be destroyed. Statistically more people have died under communist regimes than fascist ones. Much more. And besides, trying to kill people because you disagree is retarded.

I may disagree with your political views, but yeah, political violence, or just violence in general is bad.

Violence, in general, is not always bad. Context is fucking important when it comes to violence, chief.

[EastKekistan]

It's funny that my claim that neither side is terroristic is completely ignored.

[Torrocca]

It's funny that my claim that neither side is terroristic is completely ignored.

I mean, it's the right statement to make.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Why should I? I'm merely agreeing that this would not be something ANTIFA would define and added it's in their behavior rather then how they define it.

Can you offer 5 examples of people Antifa called nazis but who were merely somewhat right wing ?

ANTIFA does extend fascism by a little bit to include white supremacy and donald trump supporters according to the ADL.

"Antifa have expanded their definition of fascist/fascism to include not just white supremacists and other extremists, but also many conservatives and supporters of President Trump." - https://www.adl.org/resources/backgroun ... the-antifa

[Fahran]

Violence, in general, is not always bad. Context is fucking important when it comes to violence, chief.

I support the state's monopoly on the use of violence except in situations where the state cannot or will not intercede to exercise that monopoly. Then I support the right of the farmer to protect him or herself and their property.

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No, terrorists harm innocent people.

Which they do.

Every time I hear about some person supposedly attacked by antifa as if it was a random, unprovoked attack, I do some googling and find that person is associated with far-right reactionaries.

[Fahran]

Which they do.

Every time I hear about some person supposedly attacked by antifa as if it was a random, unprovoked attack, I do some googling and find that person is associated with far-right reactionaries.

Not a good reason for assaulting someone.

[Torrocca]

Which they do.

Every time I hear about some person supposedly attacked by antifa as if it was a random, unprovoked attack, I do some googling and find that person is associated with far-right reactionaries.

Except for that Bernie flag guy who was marching alongside AntiFA, but everything I've seen regarding that has almost universally included left-wingers of all stripes condemning that as fucking stupid.

[EastKekistan]

It's funny that my claim that neither side is terroristic is completely ignored.

I mean, it's the right statement to make.

Which is exactly why it is ignored lol.

Do we see either Antifa, Proud Boys, KKK or whatever kill people as often as al-Qaeda in Iraq? Even ISIS which is a real terrorist group is largely ineffectual in America.

If anything street gangs are a problem, not political militants. Instead of going after "fascists", anarchists or whatever, the police needs to be empowered to cleab up major cities. Chicago shooters kill more people in a day than all the political militants combined in a year.

[Torrocca]

Violence, in general, is not always bad. Context is fucking important when it comes to violence, chief.

I support the state's monopoly on the use of violence except in situations where the state cannot or will not intercede to exercise that monopoly. Then I support the right of the farmer to protect him or herself and their property.

Careful now, Fah, if you advocate for self-defense then you're advocating for violence, and that's rule-breaking behavior.

[Fahran]

Except for that Bernie flag guy who was marching alongside AntiFA, but everything I've seen regarding that has almost universally included left-wingers of all stripes condemning that as fucking stupid.

Kinda bound to happen eventually if you allow violence to occur without very precise regulations and restrictions.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Which they do.

Every time I hear about some person supposedly attacked by antifa as if it was a random, unprovoked attack, I do some googling and find that person is associated with far-right reactionaries.

Are people on the far right incapable of being innocent people in your worldview?

If so you might have more in common with the people you claim to oppose than you think.

[Torrocca]

Except for that Bernie flag guy who was marching alongside AntiFA, but everything I've seen regarding that has almost universally included left-wingers of all stripes condemning that as fucking stupid.

Kinda bound to happen eventually if you allow violence to occur without very precise regulations and restrictions.

Kinda hard to regulate something that's a social movement and not an actual organization, to be fair.

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Every time I hear about some person supposedly attacked by antifa as if it was a random, unprovoked attack, I do some googling and find that person is associated with far-right reactionaries.

Not a good reason for assaulting someone.

I didn't say it was, I only said that such people are not innocent bystanders. It may not be a good reason to assault someone if they yelled insulting slurs at you, but that person cannot claim the attack was unprovoked.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Can you offer 5 examples of people Antifa called nazis but who were merely somewhat right wing ?

ANTIFA does extend fascism by a little bit to include white supremacy and donald trump supporters according to the ADL.

"Antifa have expanded their definition of fascist/fascism to include not just white supremacists and other extremists, but also many conservatives and supporters of President Trump." - https://www.adl.org/resources/backgroun ... the-antifa

>when openly left wing for profit groups are saying Antifa goes after more than just fascists

big oof

[Nova Cyberia]

Funny, considering you endorsed a terrorist who tried to burn down a detainment center filled with children.

You literally say that you are a third position follower. You realize that that’s literally fascism right?

I was unaware it's literally fascism, but thanks for letting me know.

You have about the same degree of nuance when it comes to ideology as Torra does.