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Postby Distance Running » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:01 pm

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Strahcoin wrote:The alt-right is not right-wing. The alt-right believes in a government-planned economy, diving the nation based on ethnicity, suppressing opposing ideologies, and prohibiting immigration. The right believes in a free-market capitalist economy, uniting the nation's people as members of that nation, supporting the freedom of speech, and allowing immigration based on merit. Not to mention that fascism was founded by a student of Marx...

Citing PragerU, a far-right blog channel that has hosted multiple actual fascists, as "proof" that fascism is actually socialism.

Let's just forget that fascists have always and continue to murder socialists because of their fundamental and radical differences.


You do realize that fascists and socialists/communists recognize each other as allies against filthy capitalists? See vote for confirmation of Hitler...

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Postby Highever » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:01 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Strahcoin wrote:The alt-right is not right-wing. The alt-right believes in a government-planned economy, diving the nation based on ethnicity, suppressing opposing ideologies, and prohibiting immigration. The right believes in a free-market capitalist economy, uniting the nation's people as members of that nation, supporting the freedom of speech, and allowing immigration based on merit. Not to mention that fascism was founded by a student of Marx...

Citing PragerU, a far-right blog channel that has hosted multiple actual fascists, as "proof" that fascism is actually socialism.

Let's just forget that fascists have always and continue to murder socialists because of their fundamental and radical differences.

Ah PragerU's timeless argument of "Nazis are left wing, socialist is in the NAME you libtards.

Nazis arent nationalist it doesnt matter that it says it in the name."
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:02 pm

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Wallenburg wrote:Citing PragerU, a far-right blog channel that has hosted multiple actual fascists, as "proof" that fascism is actually socialism.

Let's just forget that fascists have always and continue to murder socialists because of their fundamental and radical differences.

Ah PragerU's timeless argument of "Nazis are left wing, socialist is in the NAME you libtards.

Nazis arent nationalist it doesnt matter that it says it in the name."


Okay so I'm familiar with their claims on the former, but did they really say the NSDAP wasn't nationalist?

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Postby Distance Running » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:03 pm

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Wallenburg wrote:Citing PragerU, a far-right blog channel that has hosted multiple actual fascists, as "proof" that fascism is actually socialism.

Let's just forget that fascists have always and continue to murder socialists because of their fundamental and radical differences.

Ah PragerU's timeless argument of "Nazis are left wing, socialist is in the NAME you libtards.

Nazis arent nationalist it doesnt matter that it says it in the name."


You do realize Nazis can't and couldn't get traction with conservatives, if for no other reason than their abortion position?

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Postby Highever » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:05 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Highever wrote:Ah PragerU's timeless argument of "Nazis are left wing, socialist is in the NAME you libtards.

Nazis arent nationalist it doesnt matter that it says it in the name."


Okay so I'm familiar with their claims on the former, but did they really say the NSDAP wasn't nationalist?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:05 pm

Distance Running wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Citing PragerU, a far-right blog channel that has hosted multiple actual fascists, as "proof" that fascism is actually socialism.

Let's just forget that fascists have always and continue to murder socialists because of their fundamental and radical differences.


You do realize that fascists and socialists/communists recognize each other as allies against filthy capitalists? See vote for confirmation of Hitler...


The Red-Brown Alliance is not a thing except in the writings of people like Yockey and a few other third position theoreticians. More often than not they're the most determined of enemies.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:06 pm

"the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims." This is the definition of terrorism. This is exactly what antifa does. They are terrorists in the flesh
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Postby Distance Running » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:06 pm

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Distance Running wrote:
You do realize that fascists and socialists/communists recognize each other as allies against filthy capitalists? See vote for confirmation of Hitler...


The Red-Brown Alliance is not a thing except in the writings of people like Yockey and a few other third position theoreticians. More often than not they're the most determined of enemies.


You can say what you like but you can't change history there chief.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:07 pm

Distance Running wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Red-Brown Alliance is not a thing except in the writings of people like Yockey and a few other third position theoreticians. More often than not they're the most determined of enemies.


You can say what you like but you can't change history there chief.


I have a feeling only one of us knows the history on this topic lol

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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:08 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Distance Running wrote:
You do realize that fascists and socialists/communists recognize each other as allies against filthy capitalists? See vote for confirmation of Hitler...


The Red-Brown Alliance is not a thing except in the writings of people like Yockey and a few other third position theoreticians. More often than not they're the most determined of enemies.


Communists and fascists have been mortal enemies since day one. Communists support ending the nation state and bringing about worldwide proletariat solidarity while fascists are highly nationalistic and seek to do away with class warfare in favor of loyalty to the nation. As a result, nazis hate communists with a passion and communists hate nazis
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Postby Distance Running » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:09 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Distance Running wrote:
You can say what you like but you can't change history there chief.


I have a feeling only one of us knows the history on this topic lol


I don't disagree with the literal interpretation of your words. I hope you don't disagree with a literal interpretation of history.
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Postby Distance Running » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:10 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Red-Brown Alliance is not a thing except in the writings of people like Yockey and a few other third position theoreticians. More often than not they're the most determined of enemies.


Communists and fascists have been mortal enemies since day one. Communists support ending the nation state and bringing about worldwide proletariat solidarity while fascists are highly nationalistic and seek to do away with class warfare in favor of loyalty to the nation. As a result, nazis hate communists with a passion and communists hate nazis


Soviets weren't nationalistic at all. But then again, they weren't real Communists were they?

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Postby Leninist Haven » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:11 pm

Distance Running wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I have a feeling only one of us knows the history on this topic lol


I don't disagree with the literal interpretation of your words. I hope you don't agree with a literal interpretation of history.


Antifa, in its original form in Weimar Germany, was a primarily communist (but also parts liberal, social dem, etc) "organization" (term used loosely) whose purpose was to disrupt Nazi supporters. It was most wellknown for violent clashes against Nazis. I'm not sure how what you're saying even makes sense from Antifa's perspective, let alone Operation Barbarossa's.

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Postby Highever » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:12 pm

"Hitler was no nationalist." Unfortunately I cant link to the exact time code atm but its near the end.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:13 pm

Distance Running wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I have a feeling only one of us knows the history on this topic lol


I don't disagree with the literal interpretation of your words. I hope you don't agree with a literal interpretation of history.


I must admit I have never heard the term literalism used to describe a method of historical interpretation.

Either way though, any interpretation of history does not support the existence of a Red-Brown Alliance in any real significant form. A few writers proposed the idea, most notably Francis Parker Yockey, but even amongst those sorts all of them were still anti-communists who just saw a temporary alliance as the most efficient way to destroy the liberal west and replace it.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:15 pm

Distance Running wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Communists and fascists have been mortal enemies since day one. Communists support ending the nation state and bringing about worldwide proletariat solidarity while fascists are highly nationalistic and seek to do away with class warfare in favor of loyalty to the nation. As a result, nazis hate communists with a passion and communists hate nazis


Soviets weren't nationalistic at all. But then again, they weren't real Communists were they?


The Soviets goal at least on paper was to unite the worldwide proletariat against the rich. The Nazi goal was to unite the German people, rich and poor, against everyone else.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:16 pm

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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:The alt-right is rightfully condemned by many, and we have alt-right murderers in prison.


When the President mentioned that we have "fine people on many sides," or when several GOP congressmen have openly espoused ideas I would consider far-right, I don't think it's a stretch to say that the GOP's condemnations of the alt-right are half-assed at best, and completely disingenuous at worst.

But there are fine people on many sides. Unite the Right at Charlottesville wasn't populated exclusively by Nazis.
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Postby Highever » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:16 pm

Distance Running wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Citing PragerU, a far-right blog channel that has hosted multiple actual fascists, as "proof" that fascism is actually socialism.

Let's just forget that fascists have always and continue to murder socialists because of their fundamental and radical differences.


You do realize that fascists and socialists/communists recognize each other as allies against filthy capitalists? See vote for confirmation of Hitler...

Guess that's why they threw them into death camps and such.
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Postby Strahcoin » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:16 pm

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Strahcoin wrote:Trump was obviously joking. He jokes a lot; the people get it, but the media doesn't.

Yeah sure that's what it is, just a very long, very deep cover joke.

You don't get it? It was obvious!

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Strahcoin wrote:The alt-right is not right-wing. The alt-right believes in a government-planned economy, diving the nation based on ethnicity, suppressing opposing ideologies, and prohibiting immigration. The right believes in a free-market capitalist economy, uniting the nation's people as members of that nation, supporting the freedom of speech, and allowing immigration based on merit. Not to mention that fascism was founded by a student of Marx...

Citing PragerU, a far-right blog channel that has hosted multiple actual fascists, as "proof" that fascism is actually socialism.

Let's just forget that fascists have always and continue to murder socialists because of their fundamental and radical differences.

Since when did PragerU host actual fascists? Dennis Prager, founder of PragerU, is an Orthodox Jew. He strongly opposes fascism. In this video, Prager condemns Nazism.

And while fascists did murder other socialists, that doesn't mean fascists aren't socialists. Socialists believe in a government-controlled economy and overthrowing the bourgeoisie. Fascists believe in a government-controlled economy and overthrowing those from stronger, wealthier nations.

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Strahcoin wrote:The alt-right is not right-wing. The alt-right believes in a government-planned economy, diving the nation based on ethnicity, suppressing opposing ideologies, and prohibiting immigration. The right believes in a free-market capitalist economy, uniting the nation's people as members of that nation, supporting the freedom of speech, and allowing immigration based on merit. Not to mention that fascism was founded by a student of Marx...


Pro-tip: stop watching Prager and you'll become a hundred times more proficient at debate.

PragerU actually enlightened me. Here's a tip: Start watching Prager with an open mind and you'll be a thousand times more proficient at debate. Even if you still disagree with it, at least you'll understand the conservative ideology. That is the point of debate.

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Strahcoin wrote:Trump was obviously joking. He jokes a lot; the people get it, but the media doesn't.

He talks out of his ass, without thinking.

Trump is a genius. His outspoken rhetoric got him elected. It triggered the Democrat Party. It showed the Americans how deceptive the fake news media was.

When Trump makes a simple joke, the media twist it to match their thoughts. The media then reports it a lot, gaining Trump some coverage, while making the fake news media continue losing support. So, Trump made lots of simple jokes for the media to twist.

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Wallenburg wrote:Citing PragerU, a far-right blog channel that has hosted multiple actual fascists, as "proof" that fascism is actually socialism.

Let's just forget that fascists have always and continue to murder socialists because of their fundamental and radical differences.

Ah PragerU's timeless argument of "Nazis are left wing, socialist is in the NAME you libtards.

Nazis arent nationalist it doesnt matter that it says it in the name."

It's more than just the name. The actual ideology of fascism matches more with that of the far-left than it does to that of the far-right. Overthrowing the oppressors, willingly surrendering the person to the state, assaulting anyone who doesn't conform to the beliefs, etc.

Granted, Nazis may hold national identity crucial. However, their reasoning for this is to overthrow the stronger, wealthier nations (similar to how Marxism involves overthrowing the bourgeoisie). Conservatives value national identity to reduce racial/sexual discrimination, while Nazis use it to further discrimination.

Nazi: "If you're not a native-born like me, you are different, and I cannot connect with you. I don't care if you're a law-abiding citizen of the same nation as me."
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Postby Wallenburg » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:18 pm

Distance Running wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Citing PragerU, a far-right blog channel that has hosted multiple actual fascists, as "proof" that fascism is actually socialism.

Let's just forget that fascists have always and continue to murder socialists because of their fundamental and radical differences.


You do realize that fascists and socialists/communists recognize each other as allies against filthy capitalists? See vote for confirmation of Hitler...

They do not. Fascists will never accept the destruction of capitalism.

See: Hitler and his goons mass murdering socialists.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:19 pm

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Pro-tip: stop watching Prager and you'll become a hundred times more proficient at debate.

PragerU actually enlightened me. Here's a tip: Start watching Prager with an open mind and you'll be a thousand times more proficient at debate. Even if you still disagree with it, at least you'll understand the conservative ideology. That is the point of debate.


I fully understand conservative ideology and am likely a lot more right wing than you are if we're sticking to that archaic scale. PragerU is just awful, give em the boot and just buy books instead.

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Postby Leninist Haven » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:20 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Distance Running wrote:
You do realize that fascists and socialists/communists recognize each other as allies against filthy capitalists? See vote for confirmation of Hitler...

They do not. Fascists will never accept the destruction of capitalism.

See: Hitler and his goons mass murdering socialists.


Interestingly, during the Night of the Long Knives, Hitler murdered the far-right socialist part of the Nazi Party (The Strasserists, self-proclaimed right-wing socialists). So yes, you are correct.

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Red-Brown Alliance is not a thing except in the writings of people like Yockey and a few other third position theoreticians. More often than not they're the most determined of enemies.


You can say what you like but you can't change history there chief.

Um no. The socialists never supported Hitler. That was the conservatives. In fact when the Enabling Act was passed only the left wing voted against it
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Major-Tom wrote:
When the President mentioned that we have "fine people on many sides," or when several GOP congressmen have openly espoused ideas I would consider far-right, I don't think it's a stretch to say that the GOP's condemnations of the alt-right are half-assed at best, and completely disingenuous at worst.

But there are fine people on many sides. Unite the Right at Charlottesville wasn't populated exclusively by Nazis.

You think so? I'd be more of the opinion that if you go to a rally where there are a bunch of Nazis on your side, and you decide to hang around with the Nazis instead of turning right the fuck around and going home, then you're basically a Nazi too.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:23 pm

Leninist Haven wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:They do not. Fascists will never accept the destruction of capitalism.

See: Hitler and his goons mass murdering socialists.


Interestingly, during the Night of the Long Knives, Hitler murdered the far-right socialist part of the Nazi Party (The Strasserists, self-proclaimed right-wing socialists). So yes, you are correct.

The Strasserists where the left wing of the NSDAP, not the right
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