Two Senators want Antifa labled domestic terrorists

[Gormwood]

Given that there is no centralized, unifying Antifa organization in charge of all the cells this legislation is nothing more than invoking Commie Mutant Traitor spook stories to rile up the base and have a bukkakke party over how Antifa are easily beaten effeminate soyboys and brutal murderous supersoldiers at the same time.

And use "they're totally Antifa" as justification for rounding up people who protest against Trump using whatever force they want because terrorists.

Everyone remembers how Assad silenced all dissent successfully by having demonstrators shot.

[Thermodolia]

Another good point is how the hell can you be against Antifa for political violence and attacking people they disagree with when you hypocritically state that you are for free speech and yet will react with violence against anyone who speaks out against America. There is no consistency to be had.

Perhaps I was not clear. You may say whatever you want. But if you blatantly hate the United States you should not be a citizen of her.

Ya no.

[Thermodolia]

And use "they're totally Antifa" as justification for rounding up people who protest against Trump using whatever force they want because terrorists.

Everyone remembers how Assad silenced all dissent successfully by having demonstrators shot.

Ya that’s why he didn’t end up with a civil war... oh wait

Also Trump isn’t gonna go around ordering anti-trump protesters shot. That’s just not going to happen

[Gormwood]

Everyone remembers how Assad silenced all dissent successfully by having demonstrators shot.

Ya that’s why he didn’t end up with a civil war... oh wait

Also Trump isn’t gonna go around ordering anti-trump protesters shot. That’s just not going to happen

If Antifa is officially classified as a terrorist organization, every future Antifa protest is an Uncle Jimbo hunting trip waiting to happen. Shooting terrorists is just counterterrorism after all, and just need a triggerhappy copper to yell "LOOK OUT IT'S COMING RIGHT FOR US!!" at some sign wavers before the BLAM BLAM BLAM starts.

[Nakena]

Ya that’s why he didn’t end up with a civil war... oh wait

Also Trump isn’t gonna go around ordering anti-trump protesters shot. That’s just not going to happen

If Antifa is officially classified as a terrorist organization, every future Antifa protest is an Uncle Jimbo hunting trip waiting to happen. Shooting terrorists is just counterterrorism after all, and just need a triggerhappy copper to yell "LOOK OUT IT'S COMING RIGHT FOR US!!" at some sign wavers before the BLAM BLAM BLAM starts.

And who is doing that?

[The Two Jerseys]

If Antifa is officially classified as a terrorist organization, every future Antifa protest is an Uncle Jimbo hunting trip waiting to happen. Shooting terrorists is just counterterrorism after all, and just need a triggerhappy copper to yell "LOOK OUT IT'S COMING RIGHT FOR US!!" at some sign wavers before the BLAM BLAM BLAM starts.

And who is doing that?

Mr. Strawman.

[The Alma Mater]

Also Trump isn’t gonna go around ordering anti-trump protesters shot. That’s just not going to happen

Well, if they are black or female he might...

[Thermodolia]

Ya that’s why he didn’t end up with a civil war... oh wait

Also Trump isn’t gonna go around ordering anti-trump protesters shot. That’s just not going to happen

If Antifa is officially classified as a terrorist organization, every future Antifa protest is an Uncle Jimbo hunting trip waiting to happen. Shooting terrorists is just counterterrorism after all, and just need a triggerhappy copper to yell "LOOK OUT IT'S COMING RIGHT FOR US!!" at some sign wavers before the BLAM BLAM BLAM starts.

You sure have some interesting fantasies Gauth. Also straw is highly flammable so I’d be careful with all that straw you got piled there

[Ifreann]

If Antifa is officially classified as a terrorist organization, every future Antifa protest is an Uncle Jimbo hunting trip waiting to happen. Shooting terrorists is just counterterrorism after all, and just need a triggerhappy copper to yell "LOOK OUT IT'S COMING RIGHT FOR US!!" at some sign wavers before the BLAM BLAM BLAM starts.

And who is doing that?

"I think this will happen in the future"
"Who is doing that?"

You know what the future is, yeah? You get that it hasn't happened yet?

[Hirota]

And who is doing that?

"I think this will happen in the future"
"Who is doing that?"

You know what the future is, yeah? You get that it hasn't happened yet?

Out of interest, has there been particularly widespread evidence of private individuals shooting those suspected of being members of other terrorist organisations? That would give a reasonable barometer for how likely this scenario would be, at least as a starting point.

I've not participated in this thread, but I've been reading it. I'm pretty convinced by the arguments that antifa is a faceless mob rather than an organised group, so I disagree with the desires of these two senators. I'm reluctant to use too broad a brush to describe all of antifa as terrorists. It devalues the meaning of the word.

I do think there are certain groups who call themselves antifa who are organised, and provided there is evidence of that particular group being violent...well, that would be a different matter. But they should be evaluated on a case by case basis.

[Eastkilty]

Beating up someone on the basis of having an opinion (even if a degenerate, scary opinion) is never right. If they were causing violence, you could try to stop that person, but it is better to not ignite the situation further with violence, unless absolutely needed.

You are acting like the bad guy for beating up someone who wasn't causing harm, because they have opposing views, or are part of an organisation like the KKK.

You are a good comprimise m8

Uh, thanks?

[Diopolis]

Violence is unacceptable, don't defend thugs who use violence to silence their opponents.

Didn’t know doxxing leftists was free speech.

I mean, it's apparently free speech to dox right wingersanyone to the right of Trotsky and mount campaigns to get them fired. It goes both ways amigo.

[First American Empire]

While the KKK is deplorable, you still can't go beat up a Klansman for being a Klansman. That's not right, to attack people because of an opinion. If they were to try to attack you, there is nothing wrong with defending yourself. But walking up to a Klansman, or any racist, and then beating them up, when they aren't causing any physical harm to anyone, and are just trying to get on with life, is wrong.

This is a terrible example that doesn't illustrate your point. The KKK is a terrorist group that has killed more Americans than Al-Qaeda or ISIL. Even if a Klansman isn't actively attacking people at that moment, he's still a literal card-carrying member of the deadliest terrorist group in American history, and is thus a major threat to public safety.

[Ifreann]

"I think this will happen in the future"
"Who is doing that?"

You know what the future is, yeah? You get that it hasn't happened yet?

Out of interest, has there been particularly widespread evidence of private individuals shooting those suspected of being members of other terrorist organisations?

I hear there's a fair number of people who went to fight ISIS.

[Eastkilty]

While the KKK is deplorable, you still can't go beat up a Klansman for being a Klansman. That's not right, to attack people because of an opinion. If they were to try to attack you, there is nothing wrong with defending yourself. But walking up to a Klansman, or any racist, and then beating them up, when they aren't causing any physical harm to anyone, and are just trying to get on with life, is wrong.

This is a terrible example that doesn't illustrate your point. The KKK is a terrorist group that has killed more Americans than Al-Qaeda or ISIL. Even if a Klansman isn't actively attacking people at that moment, he's still a literal card-carrying member of the deadliest terrorist group in American history, and is thus a major threat to public safety.

You don't go and beat someone up on the street, regardless. In no way is that justifiable. If they are a threat to public security, get the police.

It would actually be a childish, and dangerous, thing to do, and could ignite unwanted tensions.

And it would also be a crime to beat that Klansman up, without provocation (like self-defence, or trying to protect the public from any dangers that man is trying to inflict).

[Hirota]

Out of interest, has there been particularly widespread evidence of private individuals shooting those suspected of being members of other terrorist organisations?

I hear there's a fair number of people who went to fight ISIS.

I think you know quite well that's a dodge at an attempt at an answer, and not a very good one.

[Ifreann]

I hear there's a fair number of people who went to fight ISIS.

I think you know quite well that's a dodge at an attempt at an answer, and not a very good one.

I don't tend to be too pushed about supporting claims I didn't make.

[Hirota]

I think you know quite well that's a dodge at an attempt at an answer, and not a very good one.

I don't tend to be too pushed about supporting claims I didn't make.

Kind of begs the question of why you even tried, but okay.

Since it's Gormwoods "claim" let them try and defend it.

[Gormwood]

I don't tend to be too pushed about supporting claims I didn't make.

Kind of begs the question of why you even tried, but okay.

Since it's Gormwoods "claim" let them try and defend it.

You're the one who made up the talking point of private individuals killing terrorists or suspected terrorists. The point I was making is that if these two douchebags succeed in having Antifa classified as a terror group there's a possibility that any left-leaning protest will be labeled Antifa and promptly arrested for terrorism, or if there's a triggerhappy police or few, any perceived flinching will be called an attempted terror attack and deadly force will be used on the demonstrators. I know you like being smug, but try to read objectively before inserting your bias.

[Oceara]

I have privacy concerns regarding this, as proposed the only use of the label from what I can see would be to increase law enforcement ability to launch investigations and use surveillance on more than individual suspects but everyone they have any communications with. I am not the biggest fan of potentially being spied on because of my twitter follows if someone shoves Antifa or something similar into their Bio.

[Hirota]

Kind of begs the question of why you even tried, but okay.

Since it's Gormwoods "claim" let them try and defend it.

You're the one who made up the talking point of private individuals killing terrorists or suspected terrorists.

No, that's literally your scenario. I proposed a method to test it - if it had any basis in reality, or was yet another piece of drivel. It's how the scientific method works - someone proposes a hypothesis, someone determines how to test that hypothesis.

The point I was making is that if these two douchebags succeed in having Antifa classified as a terror group there's a possibility that any left-leaning protest will be labeled Antifa and promptly arrested for terrorism, or if there's a triggerhappy police or few, any perceived flinching will be called an attempted terror attack and deadly force will be used on the demonstrators.

Your point was apparently baseless speculation that you have thus far failed to provide any evidence to support will happen.

I know you like being smug, but try to read objectively before inserting your bias.

Please do try and read the rest of my post before writing more insane drivel. Here, I'll make it easier for you:

I've not participated in this thread, but I've been reading it. I'm pretty convinced by the arguments that antifa is a faceless mob rather than an organised group, so I disagree with the desires of these two senators. I'm reluctant to use too broad a brush to describe all of antifa as terrorists. It devalues the meaning of the word.

I do think there are certain groups who call themselves antifa who are organised, and provided there is evidence of that particular group being violent...well, that would be a different matter. But they should be evaluated on a case by case basis.

My "bias" is, having considered the arguments, firmly opposed to calling "antifa" as a nebulous term domestic terrorists.

I supposed I'm also biased against people making up fairy tales in their heads too, whilst I'm at it. Maybe I should try and tone down my bias and not judge you so harshly.

[Ifreann]

I have privacy concerns regarding this, as proposed the only use of the label from what I can see would be to increase law enforcement ability to launch investigations and use surveillance on more than individual suspects but everyone they have any communications with. I am not the biggest fan of potentially being spied on because of my twitter follows if someone shoves Antifa or something similar into their Bio.

These are the steps law enforcement must take in order to unearth the secret location of Antifa Headquarters.

[Gormwood]

You're the one who made up the talking point of private individuals killing terrorists or suspected terrorists.

No, that's literally your scenario. I proposed a method to test it - if it had any basis in reality, or was yet another piece of drivel. It's how the scientific method works - someone proposes a hypothesis, someone determines how to test that hypothesis.

I don't know what country you live in, but in the United Syayes "copper" is accepted as a slang for police.

The point I was making is that if these two douchebags succeed in having Antifa classified as a terror group there's a possibility that any left-leaning protest will be labeled Antifa and promptly arrested for terrorism, or if there's a triggerhappy police or few, any perceived flinching will be called an attempted terror attack and deadly force will be used on the demonstrators.

Your point was apparently baseless speculation that you have thus far failed to provide any evidence to support will happen.

I know you like being smug, but try to read objectively before inserting your bias.

Please do try and read the rest of my post before writing more insane drivel. Here, I'll make it easier for you:

I've not participated in this thread, but I've been reading it. I'm pretty convinced by the arguments that antifa is a faceless mob rather than an organised group, so I disagree with the desires of these two senators. I'm reluctant to use too broad a brush to describe all of antifa as terrorists. It devalues the meaning of the word.

I do think there are certain groups who call themselves antifa who are organised, and provided there is evidence of that particular group being violent...well, that would be a different matter. But they should be evaluated on a case by case basis.

My "bias" is, having considered the arguments, firmly opposed to calling "antifa" as a nebulous term domestic terrorists.

I supposed I'm also biased against people making up fairy tales in their heads too, whilst I'm at it. Maybe I should try and tone down my bias and not judge you so harshly.

There you go again being smug and baity.

[Proctopeo]

They're closer to street thugs than terrorists, but major community leaders probably should be on some watchlist, though this is assuming their activities haven't already put them on a couple.

[Hirota]

No, that's literally your scenario. I proposed a method to test it - if it had any basis in reality, or was yet another piece of drivel. It's how the scientific method works - someone proposes a hypothesis, someone determines how to test that hypothesis.

I don't know what country you live in, but in the United Syayes "copper" is accepted as a slang for police.

I'm British, the country that invented the slang word in common usage before the United Syayes [sic] was a country. As interesting as that little sidebar is, I'm still waiting for evidence though.

There you go again being smug and baity.

Mea culpa. I'll try and do better and limit my smug mockery to protect your feelings in the future. But alas, my little character failings are not the topic at hand.