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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:39 am

Union of Sovereign States and Republics wrote:So, as the article says, two republican senators want Antifa declared a terrorist organization.

Personally, I couldn't be more happy about this. Finally taking action against these left-wing versions of the white supremacists is long overdue. While I'm just as anti-supremacist as the next guy, Antifa's not much better, given their blatant lack of respect for the police force, veterans, and anyone who isn't on the left.

Thoughts, NSG?

Are you seriously saying that there are no left leaning veterans or cops?
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:41 am

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Sure if by violent you mean willing to defend yourself against communist attacks.


I think that they mean that the group: Has a strange fascination with recreating the assassinations of socialist leaders, is known to wear shirts praising Pinochet's genocides of leftists, and have had violence break out in many of the places that they went. According to the New York Times, at an appearance at the "2018 Metropolitan Republican Club," they seem to have started a violent fight with counter-protesters (and apparently, this is backed up by 3 different camera sources). They also told a mayor that "his days were numbered, they're coming for him," which is very obviously a threat of political violence (though a threat nonetheless). There are more than a few examples that make the group's desire to have violence quite worrisome, at least to the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Plus Gavin McInnes is a white supremacist and that alone should be enough to put him away for good and anyone who associates with him
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:53 am

Cossack Khanate wrote:Disclaimer: I only read the OP

Frankly, antifa is turning into a domestic terrorist organization. There is nothing political behind this. Whether you are conservative or liberal, hell even if you are anti-fascist or fascist, you can agree that antifa has gone too far too many times in the past, and has disrespected the keepers of the peace.

Unless you are fine with the use of violence to achieve leftist change, then there is no way you can support Antifa’s actions.


Remember, throwing milkshakes at people is the worst terrorism possible. :roll:
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Postby Galborea » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:57 am

Since "antifa" is not one big organization this gives chuds the ability to label anyone they find "dangerous" (i.e. milkshake throwers) antifa and prosecute them.

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Postby Galloism » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:00 am

Vassenor wrote:
Cossack Khanate wrote:Disclaimer: I only read the OP

Frankly, antifa is turning into a domestic terrorist organization. There is nothing political behind this. Whether you are conservative or liberal, hell even if you are anti-fascist or fascist, you can agree that antifa has gone too far too many times in the past, and has disrespected the keepers of the peace.

Unless you are fine with the use of violence to achieve leftist change, then there is no way you can support Antifa’s actions.


Remember, throwing milkshakes at people is the worst terrorism possible. :roll:

I mean, classifying them next to isis is ridiculous, but they have put people in the hospital.
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Postby Galborea » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:03 am

Galloism wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Remember, throwing milkshakes at people is the worst terrorism possible. :roll:

I mean, classifying them next to isis is ridiculous, but they have put people in the hospital.

Ngo was out within a day giving interviews to Fox News. People with mono have it worse.

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Postby Vassenor » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:04 am

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Galloism wrote:I mean, classifying them next to isis is ridiculous, but they have put people in the hospital.

Ngo was out within a day giving interviews to Fox News. People with mono have it worse.


But he totally had a brain haemorrhage. He said so and everything.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:05 am

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Risottia wrote:I am, because I am a veteran.
If you say I ain't, you are disrespecting a veteran.


Typically that rule applies to veterans of your own nation and little more. You, being Italian, don't warrant any inherent respect from Americans who believe their veterans should be respected.


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Postby Galborea » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:06 am

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Galborea wrote:Ngo was out within a day giving interviews to Fox News. People with mono have it worse.


But he totally had a brain haemorrhage. He said so and everything.

Totally. Quillette man said so.

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Postby Galloism » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:07 am

Galborea wrote:
Galloism wrote:I mean, classifying them next to isis is ridiculous, but they have put people in the hospital.

Ngo was out within a day giving interviews to Fox News. People with mono have it worse.

Just a little bleeding into the brain. No big deal.

They also attacked Taylor Lorenz, another reporter.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... proud-boys
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Postby Chernoslavia » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:08 am

Vassenor wrote:
Cossack Khanate wrote:Disclaimer: I only read the OP

Frankly, antifa is turning into a domestic terrorist organization. There is nothing political behind this. Whether you are conservative or liberal, hell even if you are anti-fascist or fascist, you can agree that antifa has gone too far too many times in the past, and has disrespected the keepers of the peace.

Unless you are fine with the use of violence to achieve leftist change, then there is no way you can support Antifa’s actions.


Remember, throwing milkshakes at people is the worst terrorism possible. :roll:


Implying that's all that antifa does.
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Postby Israeli Commonwealth » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:08 am

Union of Sovereign States and Republics wrote:https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/two-senators-want-antifa-activists-to-be-labeled-domestic-terrorists-heres-what-that-means/ar-AAECtvK?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=spartanntp

Two Republican senators have introduced a nonbinding resolution that would label antifascists — known as antifa — as “domestic terrorists,” doubling down against radical activists who have drawn criticism from conservatives and President Trump.

“Antifa are terrorists, violent masked bullies who ‘fight fascism’ with actual fascism, protected by Liberal privilege,” Sen. Bill Cassidy (R-La.) said in a statement. “Bullies get their way until someone says no. Elected officials must have courage, not cowardice, to prevent terror.”


Hina Shamsi, director of the national security project at the American Civil Liberties Union, told The Washington Post that she opposes labeling groups as domestic terrorists. “It is dangerous and overly broad to use labels that are disconnected [from] actual individual conduct,” she said. “And as we’ve seen how ‘terrorism’ has been used already in this country, any such scheme raises significant due process, equal protection and First Amendment constitutional concerns.”


Designating a group as a domestic terrorist organization expands law enforcement’s ability to investigate it. The label also means that police can not only investigate a specific suspect, but also look into groups that person affiliates with, Neal Katyal, a Georgetown University law professor and former national security adviser, told NPR.

Similar concerns may be the reason the federal government does not make public an official list of domestic terrorist groups, Jerome Bjelopera, a specialist in organized crime and terrorism, wrote in a Congressional Research Service report. The government does include domestic and international terrorists on its terrorist watch list, Bjelopera wrote.


So, as the article says, two republican senators want Antifa declared a terrorist organization.

Personally, I couldn't be more happy about this. Finally taking action against these left-wing versions of the white supremacists is long overdue. While I'm just as anti-supremacist as the next guy, Antifa's not much better, given their blatant lack of respect for the police force, veterans, and anyone who isn't on the left.

Thoughts, NSG?

I completely agree. To me they are far left terrorists, and should be treated as such. They are traitors to my country and in the United States, treason is punishable by death.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:09 am

Galborea wrote:Since "antifa" is not one big organization this gives chuds the ability to label anyone they find "dangerous" (i.e. milkshake throwers) antifa and prosecute them.


You can already get jailed for throwing milkshakes alone.
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Postby Galloism » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:11 am

Vassenor wrote:
Galborea wrote:Ngo was out within a day giving interviews to Fox News. People with mono have it worse.


But he totally had a brain haemorrhage. He said so and everything.

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Postby Union of Sovereign States and Republics » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:11 am

Galloism wrote:
Galborea wrote:Ngo was out within a day giving interviews to Fox News. People with mono have it worse.

Just a little bleeding into the brain. No big deal.

They also attacked Taylor Lorenz, another reporter.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... proud-boys

There was also Paul Welch, who did literally nothing wrong and was basically sucking Antifa's dick until they pulled a Keemstar vs Pyrocynical on him and beat him and gave him a concussion.

https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/201 ... ag_to.html
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Postby Galloism » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:15 am

Union of Sovereign States and Republics wrote:
Galloism wrote:Just a little bleeding into the brain. No big deal.

They also attacked Taylor Lorenz, another reporter.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... proud-boys

There was also Paul Welch, who did literally nothing wrong and was basically sucking Antifa's dick until they pulled a Keemstar vs Pyrocynical on him and beat him and gave him a concussion.

https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/201 ... ag_to.html

Beaten for carrying an American flag. Unbelievable.
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Postby Israeli Commonwealth » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:17 am

Galloism wrote:
Union of Sovereign States and Republics wrote:There was also Paul Welch, who did literally nothing wrong and was basically sucking Antifa's dick until they pulled a Keemstar vs Pyrocynical on him and beat him and gave him a concussion.

https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/201 ... ag_to.html

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Israeli Commonwealth wrote:
Union of Sovereign States and Republics wrote:https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/two-senators-want-antifa-activists-to-be-labeled-domestic-terrorists-heres-what-that-means/ar-AAECtvK?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=spartanntp







So, as the article says, two republican senators want Antifa declared a terrorist organization.

Personally, I couldn't be more happy about this. Finally taking action against these left-wing versions of the white supremacists is long overdue. While I'm just as anti-supremacist as the next guy, Antifa's not much better, given their blatant lack of respect for the police force, veterans, and anyone who isn't on the left.

Thoughts, NSG?

I completely agree. To me they are far left terrorists, and should be treated as such. They are traitors to my country and in the United States, treason is punishable by death.


So how does throwing milkshakes at people equal levying war against the United States?
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Israeli Commonwealth wrote:
Galloism wrote:Beaten for carrying an American flag. Unbelievable.

Yeah. Here is my belief...
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Postby Ohioan Territory » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:19 am

ANTIFA are scumbags. Period. They've beaten multiple people and damaged private and public property. They have no actual organization, no real platform, and have made no positive changes to society in the process, even further degrading their reputation.

In the context of the current state of America, there's no excuse for attacking people and destroying things. None. ANTIFA's actions are inexcusable.
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Postby Galloism » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:20 am

Israeli Commonwealth wrote:
Galloism wrote:Beaten for carrying an American flag. Unbelievable.

Yeah. Here is my belief...
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Eh, I mean, free country. You can dislike it.

In fact, we (as a nation) have a time honored tradition of protest involving buying an American flag and burning it when we’re (again as a nation) are upset about something.

But that’s burning an inanimate object, not beating the carriers of it. Burning a flag harms no one. Beating a flag carrier harms someone.
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Postby Union of Sovereign States and Republics » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:20 am

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Israeli Commonwealth wrote:I completely agree. To me they are far left terrorists, and should be treated as such. They are traitors to my country and in the United States, treason is punishable by death.


So how does throwing milkshakes at people equal levying war against the United States?

Did you not read what me and Galloism said? They beat Taylor Lorenz and Paul Welsh for doing literally nothing wrong, giving Mr. Welsh a concussion and leaving him in the hospital.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:21 am

Vassenor wrote:
Israeli Commonwealth wrote:I completely agree. To me they are far left terrorists, and should be treated as such. They are traitors to my country and in the United States, treason is punishable by death.


So how does throwing milkshakes at people equal levying war against the United States?


Odd how you're such a literalist here but you're so willing to accuse Trump of treason even though none of his actions equal levying war against the United States.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:21 am

Labelling Antifa as domestic terrorists is not a good idea. Antifa is a loose movement, not an organization, and its application could be used to target anyone who professes to be an anti-Fascist. That said, if there are tangible organizations under the Antifa banner which attack civilians, I have no gripes inherently with them being labelled as domestic terrorists.
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