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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:09 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Not good, but it's not good to call white supremacists domestic terrorists either. It's just not double standards.


On the contrary it's good to call both Antifa and white supremacists domestic terrorists.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:12 am

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Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Not good, but it's not good to call white supremacists domestic terrorists either. It's just not double standards.


On the contrary it's good to call both Antifa and white supremacists domestic terrorists.

Why?
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Postby Grenartia » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:13 am

Tristian wrote:I am not sure about slapping the domestic terrorist label on them, but the Antifa are certainly a hateful, violent lot that are no better (if not worse) than the fascists that they claim to oppose.


What you remind me of.

Now, I personally won't instantly resort to violence against a fascist, and won't say I condone it when others do it, but when its my life on the line, or another person's life, you bet your ass I'll beat the shit out of a Nazi to stop them.

And here's a good primer for telling the difference between a Nazi and antifa.
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Postby Tristian » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:15 am

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Tristian wrote:I am not sure about slapping the domestic terrorist label on them, but the Antifa are certainly a hateful, violent lot that are no better (if not worse) than the fascists that they claim to oppose.


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Now, I personally won't instantly resort to violence against a fascist, and won't say I condone it when others do it, but when its my life on the line, or another person's life, you bet your ass I'll beat the shit out of a Nazi to stop them.


Except, Antifa is beating the shit out of innocent people that are just journalists, military veterans, slightly right-wing, or just there.

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Postby Risottia » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:16 am

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Risottia wrote:Exactly, what tells you that there are no leftist policies or veterans?

Anyway, lovely. "I'm anti-supremacist BUT STILL" . :roll:


Also what makes veterans inherently requiring of respect?


I dunno, but I'll be sure to require my due respect from anyone who says "veterans must be respected", then.
By the way, THIS veteran is a left-winger.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:16 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
On the contrary it's good to call both Antifa and white supremacists domestic terrorists.

Why?


Because they both suck and bring the nation down?
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Postby Grenartia » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:19 am

Tristian wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
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Now, I personally won't instantly resort to violence against a fascist, and won't say I condone it when others do it, but when its my life on the line, or another person's life, you bet your ass I'll beat the shit out of a Nazi to stop them.


Except, Antifa is beating the shit out of innocent people that are just journalists


You mean Andy Ngo, who blatantly spread false information that led to several LEGITIMATE journalists being put on ACTUAL NAZIS' hitlist? Yeah, he had that milkshake coming, on general principle.

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Believe it or not, we are capable of telling the actual fascists apart from your common, garden-variety conservative.
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Postby Risottia » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:19 am

Grenartia wrote:Now, I personally won't instantly resort to violence against a fascist, and won't say I condone it when others do it, but when its my life on the line, or another person's life, you bet your ass I'll beat the shit out of a Nazi to stop them.

Same. And I will condone and support anyone who does the same.
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Postby Tristian » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:20 am

Grenartia wrote:
Tristian wrote:
Except, Antifa is beating the shit out of innocent people that are just journalists


You mean Andy Ngo, who blatantly spread false information that led to several LEGITIMATE journalists being put on ACTUAL NAZIS' hitlist? Yeah, he had that milkshake coming, on general principle.

military veterans, slightly right-wing, or just there.


Believe it or not, we are capable of telling the actual fascists apart from your common, garden-variety conservative.


Apparently not.

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Postby Risottia » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:22 am

Tristian wrote:Apparently not.

I am, because I am a veteran.
If you say I ain't, you are disrespecting a veteran.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:23 am

Risottia wrote:
Tristian wrote:Apparently not.

I am, because I am a veteran.
If you say I ain't, you are disrespecting a veteran.


Typically that rule applies to veterans of your own nation and little more. You, being Italian, don't warrant any inherent respect from Americans who believe their veterans should be respected.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:02 am

Ifreann wrote:
Zupruicor wrote:Violence is unacceptable, don't defend thugs who use violence to silence their opponents.

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That's Ted Cruz with Gavin McInnes, founder of a violent right-wing gang called the Proud Boys.


Sure if by violent you mean willing to defend yourself against communist attacks.
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Postby Leninist Haven » Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:14 am

Chernoslavia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:
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That's Ted Cruz with Gavin McInnes, founder of a violent right-wing gang called the Proud Boys.


Sure if by violent you mean willing to defend yourself against communist attacks.


I think that they mean that the group: Has a strange fascination with recreating the assassinations of socialist leaders, is known to wear shirts praising Pinochet's genocides of leftists, and have had violence break out in many of the places that they went. According to the New York Times, at an appearance at the "2018 Metropolitan Republican Club," they seem to have started a violent fight with counter-protesters (and apparently, this is backed up by 3 different camera sources). They also told a mayor that "his days were numbered, they're coming for him," which is very obviously a threat of political violence (though a threat nonetheless). There are more than a few examples that make the group's desire to have violence quite worrisome, at least to the Southern Poverty Law Center.

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:18 am

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Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Why?


Because they both suck and bring the nation down?

So do some political parties I could mention, however I don't think anybody is thinking of calling them terrorists, and doing so would be laughable.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:19 am

Leninist Haven wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Sure if by violent you mean willing to defend yourself against communist attacks.


I think that they mean that the group: Has a strange fascination with recreating the assassinations of socialist leaders, is known to wear shirts praising Pinochet's genocides of leftists, and have had violence break out in many of the places that they went. According to the New York Times, at an appearance at the "2018 Metropolitan Republican Club," they seem to have started a violent fight with counter-protesters (and apparently, this is backed up by 3 different camera sources). They also told a mayor that "his days were numbered, they're coming for him," which is very obviously a threat of political violence (though a threat nonetheless). There are more than a few examples that make the group's desire to have violence quite worrisome, at least to the Southern Poverty Law Center.

The SPLC have hardly been defenders of freedom in the past though.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:22 am

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Postby Leninist Haven » Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:22 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Because they both suck and bring the nation down?

So do some political parties I could mention, however I don't think anybody is thinking of calling them terrorists, and doing so would be laughable.


I think the group is too disorganized, quite frankly, to say that they have any coherent platform other than fighting fascism. There were liberals, conservatives, social dems, and tea partyists that engaged in violent activism or even shootings. Just adding to your point: The two major political parties have also had many violent, extremist followers as well. And like you said, no one is arguing to do anything about them at all. Literally nothing.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:41 am

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Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Not good, but it's not good to call white supremacists domestic terrorists either. It's just not double standards.


On the contrary it's good to call both Antifa and white supremacists domestic terrorists.

Agreed.

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Postby Ohioan Territory » Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:50 am

Grenartia wrote:
Tristian wrote:
Except, Antifa is beating the shit out of innocent people that are just journalists


You mean Andy Ngo, who blatantly spread false information that led to several LEGITIMATE journalists being put on ACTUAL NAZIS' hitlist? Yeah, he had that milkshake coming, on general principle.

Can someone explain all of this Andy Ngo stuff? Everything I've seen has said he's totally innocent, and that's the impression I got at first.
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:56 am

Ohioan Territory wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
You mean Andy Ngo, who blatantly spread false information that led to several LEGITIMATE journalists being put on ACTUAL NAZIS' hitlist? Yeah, he had that milkshake coming, on general principle.

Can someone explain all of this Andy Ngo stuff? Everything I've seen has said he's totally innocent, and that's the impression I got at first.


Here's Ngo doxxing a woman who had her spine broken by Proud Boys at a protest in Portland back in May.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:09 am

Vassenor wrote:
Ohioan Territory wrote:Can someone explain all of this Andy Ngo stuff? Everything I've seen has said he's totally innocent, and that's the impression I got at first.


Here's Ngo doxxing a woman who had her spine broken by Proud Boys at a protest in Portland back in May.


Gotta admit it's mildly amusing how many people are screeching about him doxing someone when that's literally a go-to strategy for Antifa lol
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:12 am

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Gotta admit it's mildly amusing how many people are screeching about him doxing someone when that's literally a go-to strategy for Antifa lol

Didn't they try to doxx every unite the right rally participant? I know that quite a lot of people ended up having their names released.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:29 am

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Gotta admit it's mildly amusing how many people are screeching about him doxing someone when that's literally a go-to strategy for Antifa lol


What's funnier is it wasn't even doxing.
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Postby Cossack Khanate » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:33 am

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Frankly, antifa is turning into a domestic terrorist organization. There is nothing political behind this. Whether you are conservative or liberal, hell even if you are anti-fascist or fascist, you can agree that antifa has gone too far too many times in the past, and has disrespected the keepers of the peace.

Unless you are fine with the use of violence to achieve leftist change, then there is no way you can support Antifa’s actions.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:37 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
On the contrary it's good to call both Antifa and white supremacists domestic terrorists.

Why?

Cause they both suck ass.
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