Two Senators want Antifa labled domestic terrorists

[Cedoria]

The irony: Antifa itself is fascist. It targets groups of people based on race. And worse still, it’s militant. It is definitely a terrorist organization.

And no one start the “yOuRe a duMb ignoRanT cOnsErvatIve” nonsense, IRL I’m a bolshevist. Liberalism is a disgrace to the Left.

I'm not a fan of Antifa for the most part, but when the hell do they engage in racial targeting?

Fool claiming that Antifa targets whites on racial grounds in 3,2,1...

[Ifreann]

So, who exactly do they want labled domestic terrorists? The resolution talks about "groups that act under the banner of Antifa." What does that mean exactly? I'm antifascist, do I "act under the banner of Antifa" and therefore qualify as a terrorist? Can the Democrats introduce a resolution that says "anyone in a red baseball cap" is a domestic terrorist? It would be about as specific. Bottom line, if this were a law rather than a nonbinding resolution introduced for purely partisan political purposes it would be unconstitutionally vague on its face. Next case.

I'm Anti-Fascist but am against street violence via civilians.

Everyone not in the military is a civilian. You're a civilian, the police are civilians, and fascists are mostly civilians.

[Cedoria]

"Antifa" is so extremist it seems they are closer to fascism than their opponents. The fascists of the future call themselves anti-fascists.

Not Even Wrong

[Torrocca]

"Antifa" is so extremist it seems they are closer to fascism than their opponents. The fascists of the future call themselves anti-fascists.

Violence =/= Fascism and AntiFA =/= Fascism, shockingly enough.

[Cedoria]

But under anti-terror legislation, labelling yourself Anti-Fascist alone would probably be enough to arrest you if it's declared a terrorist organisation.

No doubt, I'm against the legislation.

I'm also against street violence.

Thanks for clarifying:)

[Ifreann]

"Antifa" is so extremist it seems they are closer to fascism than their opponents. The fascists of the future call themselves anti-fascists.

Not Even Wrong

This is what we call Wronger Than Wrong.

[Nova Cyberia]

I mean people peacefully demonstrating.

If you want to continue playing Helen Keller then I could always find some more too.

Yes. Calling for racial hatred and an ethno-state is 'peaceful' lol.

Call me back when you're ready for a serious discussion.

Who was calling for an ethno-state?

By this point, you're pulling shit out of your ass.

[Cedoria]

Not Even Wrong

This is what we call Wronger Than Wrong.

I'd go so far as to say Wronger than Wronger than Wrong.

...

I'll stop now:)

[Cappuccina]

The irony: Antifa itself is fascist. It targets groups of people based on race. And worse still, it’s militant. It is a right-wing terrorist organization, and should be treated as such.

And no one start the “yOuRe a duMb ignoRanT cOnsErvatIve” nonsense, IRL I’m a bolshevist. Liberalism is a disgrace to the Left.

Actually Antifa is also not fascist. Is it so hard to think of something substantive to describe a group or individual you dislike rather than slinging around an epithet that's been used to death for almost a century?

[Cedoria]

Yes. Calling for racial hatred and an ethno-state is 'peaceful' lol.

Call me back when you're ready for a serious discussion.

Who was calling for an ethno-state?

By this point, you're pulling shit out of your ass.

Statistically at least some of the right-wing protesters were. By your logic then, they are all violent and intolerant haters who ought be arrested and called terrorists.

Or are we suddenly using different standards than you use to judge Antifa now? If so, my mistake. I was under the impression that even a small element of disagreeable operatives in a group, protest or organisation was enough to justify repression.

[Highever]

"Antifa" is so extremist it seems they are closer to fascism than their opponents. The fascists of the future call themselves anti-fascists.

I'm pretty sure when the opponents in question embark on mass shootings and actual domestic terrorism, this is pretty disingenuous.

[Dangine]

Good, Idc if they are left leaning like myself. Terrorism is the use of violence for political reasons and that is what Antifa is clearly doing. Any violent political group like Antifa or the Proud Boys should be labeled domestic terrorists.

[Torrocca]

Who was calling for an ethno-state?

By this point, you're pulling shit out of your ass.

Statistically at least some of the right-wing protesters were. By your logic then, they are all violent and intolerant haters who ought be arrested and called terrorists.

Or are we suddenly using different standards than you use to judge Antifa now? If so, my mistake. I was under the impression that even a small element of disagreeable operatives in a group, protest or organisation was enough to justify repression.

It's not even just statistically, it's fact that right-wingers were at Berkeley's various right-wing rallies calling for racial hatred and ethno-states lmao.

[Cedoria]

Good, Idc if they are left leaning like myself. Terrorism is the use of violence for political reasons and that is what Antifa is clearly doing. Any violent political group like Antifa or the Proud Boys should be labeled domestic terrorists.

And if the day ever comes when GOP lawmakers have any interest in treating all violence as equally reprehensible regardless of political origin, I might be inclined to give them a fair hearing, but anyone who thinks they're doing that has just got fingers in their ears.

[Ordenstaat Burgundy]

The irony: Antifa itself is fascist. It targets groups of people based on race. And worse still, it’s militant. It is a right-wing terrorist organization, and should be treated as such.

And no one start the “yOuRe a duMb ignoRanT cOnsErvatIve” nonsense, IRL I’m a bolshevist. Liberalism is a disgrace to the Left.

It's less that they're fascists and more that as time has gone on they have gradually become for influenced by more radical or less restrained members. That's part of the reason why you have seen them engaging in assault, vandalism. and destruction of public property in recent years. If anything, I would say that they are mostly petty thugs who in their zeal to "bash the Fash" have allowed themselves to become a public menace. With regards to the legislation, I'm iffy about given that it's just vague enough for it to be abused by law enforcement to target innocent people who are unconnected to ANTIFA.

[Nova Cyberia]

Who was calling for an ethno-state?

By this point, you're pulling shit out of your ass.

Statistically at least some of the right-wing protesters were. By your logic then, they are all violent and intolerant haters who ought be arrested and called terrorists.

Or are we suddenly using different standards than you use to judge Antifa now? If so, my mistake. I was under the impression that even a small element of disagreeable operatives in a group, protest or organisation was enough to justify repression.

Ah, this is just beautiful.

You've invented made-up right-wingers to justify assaulting peaceful protestors.

[Cedoria]

Statistically at least some of the right-wing protesters were. By your logic then, they are all violent and intolerant haters who ought be arrested and called terrorists.

Or are we suddenly using different standards than you use to judge Antifa now? If so, my mistake. I was under the impression that even a small element of disagreeable operatives in a group, protest or organisation was enough to justify repression.

Ah, this is just beautiful.

You've invented made-up right-wingers to justify assaulting peaceful protestors.

Just like you did with Antifa. See! It's a fun game when everyone joins in.

[Strahcoin]

Technically, the Western powers didn't debate the Nazis. They appeased them. Obviously, it did not work.

However, the Nazis technically started the war. We have a capable police force that can arrest those who cause needless violence, including fascists who do so. Moreover, antifa is infamous for unjustly attacking non-fascists who have not caused harm. I don't see how those targets are comparable with Nazis...

Hun, I've got some bad news for you if you think the police institutions are anti-Fascist.

That's the problem with antifa. They call everything with which they don't agree "fascist".

Fascists believe in silencing opposing opinions. Since when did the police institutions attack/arrest those who peacefully and lawfully express their disagreement?

[Jack Thomas Lang]

Just like you did with Antifa. See! It's a fun game when everyone joins in.

What about you!

Very convincing.

[Cedoria]

Statistically at least some of the right-wing protesters were. By your logic then, they are all violent and intolerant haters who ought be arrested and called terrorists.

Or are we suddenly using different standards than you use to judge Antifa now? If so, my mistake. I was under the impression that even a small element of disagreeable operatives in a group, protest or organisation was enough to justify repression.

It's not even just statistically, it's fact that right-wingers were at Berkeley's various right-wing rallies calling for racial hatred and ethno-states lmao.

Well. What do you know, I was using the example to make a sardonic point, I am hardly surprised to discover that however.

[Cedoria]

Just like you did with Antifa. See! It's a fun game when everyone joins in.

What about you!

Very convincing.

Or you can read the evidence Torroca linked. But nobody seems interested in actual information on the other side of the chamber.

[Nova Cyberia]

Ah, this is just beautiful.

You've invented made-up right-wingers to justify assaulting peaceful protestors.

Just like you did with Antifa. See! It's a fun game when everyone joins in.

I provided evidence that Antifa attacked innocent people. You tried to justify it by invoking fictitious racism.

It's pathetically disingenuous. I mean, you could use it to try and justify assaulting virtually any group of right-wingers, which is probably what you believe but you're unwilling to admit it.

Like Torra.

[Torrocca]

Hun, I've got some bad news for you if you think the police institutions are anti-Fascist.

That's the problem with antifa. They call everything with which they don't agree "fascist".

Fascists believe in silencing opposing opinions. Since when did the police institutions attack/arrest those who peacefully and lawfully express their disagreement?

Like, are we forgetting that UC Davis happened? If that doesn't tickle your fancy, here's a much more recent incident.

There's far more to find if you look a little bit.

[Cedoria]

Just like you did with Antifa. See! It's a fun game when everyone joins in.

I provided evidence that Antifa attacked innocent people. You tried to justify it by invoking fictitious racism.

It's pathetically disingenuous. I mean, you could use it to try and justify assaulting virtually any group of right-wingers, which is probably what you believe but you're unwilling to admit it.

Like Torra.

Evidence was posted just minutes ago in this very thread. So much for 'fictitious'. And as I think I indicated, it wasn't event a serious remark, I was making a sarcastic comment mirroring your own attitude to Antifa so you could see how absurd it was. I just happened to right about the facts as well later on.

Nice try.

If I believed in assaulting any right-winger I liked, I'd have a much more active outdoors life, a criminal record and far fewer friends. The fact I don't I think puts this nonsense to bed quite handily. But I love how you go again with the assumptions on no evidence at all about what I believe and do. Do you see the point of my sarcastic earlier remark now?

[Torrocca]

Just like you did with Antifa. See! It's a fun game when everyone joins in.

I provided evidence that Antifa attacked innocent people. You tried to justify it by invoking fictitious racism.

It's pathetically disingenuous. I mean, you could use it to try and justify assaulting virtually any group of right-wingers, which is probably what you believe but you're unwilling to admit it.

Like Torra.

Get over your obsession with me. I didn't ask to live rent-free inside your head.