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by Jack Thomas Lang » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:17 pm
by Scomagia » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:18 pm
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:Political violence and stable democracy are mutually exclusive. Unless it's in explicit self-defense, using vigilantism to attack political groups in a democratic country is always bad, yes.
by Ifreann » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:18 pm
Torrocca wrote:Scomagia wrote:It was a question. All you had to do was say, "that's correct" or something.
It was shit is what it was.
And the answer's obviously no. Committing assault or attempting murder doesn't magically exclude you from being against Fascism.Ifreann wrote:But political violence is good sometimes, yeah? Like, sometimes war is good, yeah?
Hmm.
World War Two is the most clear-cut example of both good and bad political violence but there's always gonna be people who're gonna scream about how you can't actually use that as an example of how Fascism can't be debated because it's not an ideology built around debate, because... reasons or something.
by Cedoria » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:18 pm
Scomagia wrote:Cedoria wrote:
Turns up with a bunch of proud boys, no is oh so badly injured he gave multiple press interviews with absolutely no difficulty the very next day? Yeah, shining pillar of society right there.
No difficulty? Stay out of medicine because you can't tell obvious symptoms of a head injury.
by Torrocca » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:18 pm
Scomagia wrote:Torrocca wrote:
It was shit is what it was.
And the answer's obviously no. Committing assault or attempting murder doesn't magically exclude you from being against Fascism.
World War Two is the most clear-cut example of both good and bad political violence but there's always gonna be people who're gonna scream about how you can't actually use that as an example of how Fascism can't be debated because it's not an ideology built around debate, because... reasons or something.
Nah, it was a simple question. You have a habit of vaguely implying you support violence and then backpedaling. I just wanted to get a clear answer.
by Bear Stearns » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:19 pm
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:Political violence and stable democracy are mutually exclusive. Unless it's in explicit self-defense, using vigilantism to attack political groups in a democratic country is always bad, yes.
by Scomagia » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:20 pm
Cedoria wrote:Scomagia wrote:No difficulty? Stay out of medicine because you can't tell obvious symptoms of a head injury.
Righto Dr House. I'll defer to your absolutely proven expertise as signs of a head injury. If he was well enough to give interviews, either his injuries weren't as serious as claimed or he was an idiot who defied good medical advice. Still hardly ranks as an innocent bystander given the context in either case.
by Torrocca » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:21 pm
Ifreann wrote:Torrocca wrote:
It was shit is what it was.
And the answer's obviously no. Committing assault or attempting murder doesn't magically exclude you from being against Fascism.
World War Two is the most clear-cut example of both good and bad political violence but there's always gonna be people who're gonna scream about how you can't actually use that as an example of how Fascism can't be debated because it's not an ideology built around debate, because... reasons or something.
I dunno, thinking about whether political violence is good or bad is giving me a headache, can't we just say it's always bad and then just ignore complicated things like wars and law enforcement?
by Scomagia » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:21 pm
Torrocca wrote:Scomagia wrote:Nah, it was a simple question. You have a habit of vaguely implying you support violence and then backpedaling. I just wanted to get a clear answer.
... I don't see how me saying that somebody who's committed assault can still be anti-Fascist if they're against Fascism somehow correlates with me supporting or not supporting violence.
by Torrocca » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:22 pm
Scomagia wrote:Torrocca wrote:
... I don't see how me saying that somebody who's committed assault can still be anti-Fascist if they're against Fascism somehow correlates with me supporting or not supporting violence.
Not this thread. Previous Antifa threads. But we'll just let it go because you don't support extra-judicial violence. Right?
by Cedoria » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:22 pm
Scomagia wrote:Cedoria wrote:
Righto Dr House. I'll defer to your absolutely proven expertise as signs of a head injury. If he was well enough to give interviews, either his injuries weren't as serious as claimed or he was an idiot who defied good medical advice. Still hardly ranks as an innocent bystander given the context in either case.
This is all objectively false. Again, shut up about head injuries. It's making you look like someone desperate to downplay what happened.
by Scomagia » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:24 pm
Cedoria wrote:Scomagia wrote:This is all objectively false. Again, shut up about head injuries. It's making you look like someone desperate to downplay what happened.
I neither know nor claimed to know anything about head injuries.
But speaking as a sensible person, if I were a victim of an assault that left me with serious head injuries, I wouldn't be up and ranting to multiple press agencies about it the very next day. But then I wouldn't have been caught dead involved with the groups Ngo was running around with either. Funny that.
by Ifreann » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:24 pm
by United States of Devonta » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:25 pm
Cedoria wrote:Scomagia wrote:This is all objectively false. Again, shut up about head injuries. It's making you look like someone desperate to downplay what happened.
I neither know nor claimed to know anything about head injuries.
But speaking as a sensible person, if I were a victim of an assault that left me with serious head injuries, I wouldn't be up and ranting to multiple press agencies about it the very next day. But then I wouldn't have been caught dead involved with the groups Ngo was running around with either. Funny that.
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by Torrocca » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:25 pm
by Cedoria » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:26 pm
by Torrocca » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:26 pm
by Scomagia » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:26 pm
United States of Devonta wrote:Cedoria wrote:I neither know nor claimed to know anything about head injuries.
But speaking as a sensible person, if I were a victim of an assault that left me with serious head injuries, I wouldn't be up and ranting to multiple press agencies about it the very next day. But then I wouldn't have been caught dead involved with the groups Ngo was running around with either. Funny that.
Or working with Fascist to dox leftist knowing they could be harmed, sounded like he enjoyed enabling violence till it came to him.
by Cedoria » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:26 pm
United States of Devonta wrote:Cedoria wrote:I neither know nor claimed to know anything about head injuries.
But speaking as a sensible person, if I were a victim of an assault that left me with serious head injuries, I wouldn't be up and ranting to multiple press agencies about it the very next day. But then I wouldn't have been caught dead involved with the groups Ngo was running around with either. Funny that.
Or working with Fascist to dox leftist knowing they could be harmed, sounded like he enjoyed enabling violence till it came to him.
by United States of Devonta » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:27 pm
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by Cedoria » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:28 pm
Scomagia wrote:United States of Devonta wrote:
Or working with Fascist to dox leftist knowing they could be harmed, sounded like he enjoyed enabling violence till it came to him.
Ngo may be a cunt but what you are saying is false. The person he "doxxed" was already a media figure.
But it's fun to justify assaults, isn't it?
by Cappuccina » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:28 pm
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