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Two Senators want Antifa labled domestic terrorists

Postby Union of Sovereign States and Republics » Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:53 pm

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... spartanntp

Two Republican senators have introduced a nonbinding resolution that would label antifascists — known as antifa — as “domestic terrorists,” doubling down against radical activists who have drawn criticism from conservatives and President Trump.

“Antifa are terrorists, violent masked bullies who ‘fight fascism’ with actual fascism, protected by Liberal privilege,” Sen. Bill Cassidy (R-La.) said in a statement. “Bullies get their way until someone says no. Elected officials must have courage, not cowardice, to prevent terror.”


Hina Shamsi, director of the national security project at the American Civil Liberties Union, told The Washington Post that she opposes labeling groups as domestic terrorists. “It is dangerous and overly broad to use labels that are disconnected [from] actual individual conduct,” she said. “And as we’ve seen how ‘terrorism’ has been used already in this country, any such scheme raises significant due process, equal protection and First Amendment constitutional concerns.”


Designating a group as a domestic terrorist organization expands law enforcement’s ability to investigate it. The label also means that police can not only investigate a specific suspect, but also look into groups that person affiliates with, Neal Katyal, a Georgetown University law professor and former national security adviser, told NPR.

Similar concerns may be the reason the federal government does not make public an official list of domestic terrorist groups, Jerome Bjelopera, a specialist in organized crime and terrorism, wrote in a Congressional Research Service report. The government does include domestic and international terrorists on its terrorist watch list, Bjelopera wrote.


So, as the article says, two republican senators want Antifa declared a terrorist organization.

Personally, I couldn't be more happy about this. Finally taking action against these left-wing versions of the white supremacists is long overdue. While I'm just as anti-supremacist as the next guy, Antifa's not much better, given their blatant lack of respect for the police force, veterans, and anyone who isn't on the left.

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Postby Pacomia » Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:55 pm

Yeah, Antifa is a violent extremist organisation with a known history of violence and disturbance. I support this, and I’m a liberal.
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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:55 pm

Antifa aren't terrorists, and labeling them as such sets a dangerous precedent. They can be violent criminals, and if members of Antifa commit vandalism and violent crimes they should be prosecuted and dealt with by the law. Calling them all terrorists is probably a step too far.

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Postby Ifreann » Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:56 pm

Nothing to see here, just the GOP trying to ban dissent against Trump.
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Postby Union of Sovereign States and Republics » Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:56 pm

Pacomia wrote:Yeah, Antifa is a violent extremist organisation with a known history of violence and disturbance. I support this, and I’m a liberal.

If this passes, can't wait for a resolution on PETA.
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Postby Pacomia » Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:57 pm

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:Antifa aren't terrorists, and labeling them as such sets a dangerous precedent. They can be violent criminals, and if members of Antifa commit vandalism and violent crimes they should be prosecuted and dealt with by the law. Calling them all terrorists is probably a step too far.

Organised criminals?
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Postby Zupruicor » Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:57 pm

Ifreann wrote:Nothing to see here, just the GOP trying to ban dissent against Trump.

Ignoring the fact that Antifa has caused irreparable damage against a Conservative Journalist.

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Union of Sovereign States and Republics wrote:
Pacomia wrote:Yeah, Antifa is a violent extremist organisation with a known history of violence and disturbance. I support this, and I’m a liberal.

If this passes, can't wait for a resolution on PETA.

They’re not terrorists. PETA is annoying, but they don’t deserve legal action.
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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:58 pm

Gotta love fascists protecting fascism by calling anti-fascism "the real fascism".
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Zupruicor wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Nothing to see here, just the GOP trying to ban dissent against Trump.

Ignoring the fact that Antifa has caused irreparable damage against a Conservative Journalist.

Who exposed DSA members to Nazis. I’m no fan of Antifa, but he absolutely had it coming.
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Postby Union of Sovereign States and Republics » Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:59 pm

Pacomia wrote:
Union of Sovereign States and Republics wrote:If this passes, can't wait for a resolution on PETA.

They’re not terrorists. PETA is annoying, but they don’t deserve legal action.

If anything, they're an organized criminal organization. I don't think that anyone wants a group that kidnaps and exterminates domesticated animals and kills 90% of animals in their "care" roaming around on American soil.
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Wallenburg wrote:Gotta love fascists protecting fascism by calling anti-fascism "the real fascism".

They’re sort of fascists, honestly.
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Postby Zupruicor » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:00 pm

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
Zupruicor wrote:Ignoring the fact that Antifa has caused irreparable damage against a Conservative Journalist.

Who exposed DSA members to Nazis. I’m no fan of Antifa, but he absolutely had it coming.

Violence is unacceptable, don't defend thugs who use violence to silence their opponents.

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Postby Ifreann » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:03 pm

Zupruicor wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Nothing to see here, just the GOP trying to ban dissent against Trump.

Ignoring the fact that Antifa has caused irreparable damage against a Conservative Journalist.

Irreparable damage? Last I heard the alleged journalist was well enough the next day to do TV interviews.
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Postby Pacomia » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:04 pm

Zupruicor wrote:
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:Who exposed DSA members to Nazis. I’m no fan of Antifa, but he absolutely had it coming.

Violence is unacceptable, don't defend thugs who use violence to silence their opponents.

I agree with that
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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:04 pm

Pacomia wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Gotta love fascists protecting fascism by calling anti-fascism "the real fascism".

They’re sort of fascists, honestly.

They are literally the opposite of fascists. That you disagree with them doesn't make them fascists.
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Ifreann wrote:Nothing to see here, just the GOP trying to ban dissent against Trump.

Ignoring the fact that Antifa has caused irreparable damage against a Conservative Journalist.

Who makes a living doxxing anti-fascists to fascist groups.
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Zupruicor wrote:
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:Who exposed DSA members to Nazis. I’m no fan of Antifa, but he absolutely had it coming.

Violence is unacceptable, don't defend thugs who use violence to silence their opponents.

Didn’t know doxxing leftists was free speech.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:05 pm

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:Antifa aren't terrorists, and labeling them as such sets a dangerous precedent. They can be violent criminals, and if members of Antifa commit vandalism and violent crimes they should be prosecuted and dealt with by the law. Calling them all terrorists is probably a step too far.

They use violence to further a political goal, that's the textbook definition of terrorism.
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Postby Union of Sovereign States and Republics » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:05 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Zupruicor wrote:Ignoring the fact that Antifa has caused irreparable damage against a Conservative Journalist.

Irreparable damage? Last I heard the alleged journalist was well enough the next day to do TV interviews.

Mental damage is much different than physical damage. A person who got hit on the back of the head with a brick may not have the scars the next day, but he may have been traumatized for it, like the innocent person waving an american flag in protest of white supremacy that Antifa beat.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:06 pm

Zupruicor wrote:
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:Who exposed DSA members to Nazis. I’m no fan of Antifa, but he absolutely had it coming.

Violence is unacceptable, don't defend thugs who use violence to silence their opponents.

Image

That's Ted Cruz with Gavin McInnes, founder of a violent right-wing gang called the Proud Boys.
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Postby Union of Sovereign States and Republics » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:07 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Zupruicor wrote:Violence is unacceptable, don't defend thugs who use violence to silence their opponents.

Image

That's Ted Cruz with Gavin McInnes, founder of a violent right-wing gang called the Proud Boys.

There's no picture there.

Edit: My bad, it only loads in quotes. Weird.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:09 pm

Well, they should be.

Marching out into the streets and beating the shit out of anyone who disagrees with you politically is terrorism.

They're scum. Treat them as such.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:09 pm

Union of Sovereign States and Republics wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Irreparable damage? Last I heard the alleged journalist was well enough the next day to do TV interviews.

Mental damage is much different than physical damage. A person who got hit on the back of the head with a brick may not have the scars the next day, but he may have been traumatized for it, like the innocent person waving an american flag in protest of white supremacy that Antifa beat.

He was mentally damaged, but up for television interviews? Gosh. Must be serious. We can only hope he some day recovers.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:11 pm

Ifreann wrote:Nothing to see here, just the GOP trying to ban dissent against Trump.

They would need more than a nonbinding resolution to do that. Plus black clad anarchists are not the only people who criticise Trump.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:13 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Nothing to see here, just the GOP trying to ban dissent against Trump.

They would need more than a nonbinding resolution to do that. Plus black clad anarchists are not the only people who criticise Trump.

It is rather curious to see that Ifreann views treating violent extremists as terrorists as "banning dissent".

Nothing to see here. Just leftist authoritarians being leftist authoritarians.
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