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Peatiktist
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Postby Peatiktist » Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:56 pm

What if America banned guns?
Well I'm a Montanan.
So my options would be kill the few cops that would actually enforce gun control, or just kill myself.

Hard choice.
This nation semi-reflects my political views, but not completely.
Also, before anyone assumes, my leader is in no way based off of myself.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:57 pm

Saint Arsenio wrote:Personally, I can see this having lots of Pros and Cons.

On one hand, there would be less School Shootings, Murders involving Guns, Violence involving guns, etc.

On the other hand, however, this would prevent Citizens from protecting themselves. If Policemen are also banned from carrying guns, this could prevent them from properly carrying out their duties, and may lead to more crimes.

I, for one, do not believe the US should do this. Yes, it would most likely decrease gun-related violence, however, it would also most likely lead to an increase in crime.

Plus criminals won't hesitate to buy guns illegally.

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Postby Union of Sovereign States and Republics » Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:58 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Probably not tbh. Many would, but large amounts never would.


That’s why I added the maybe at the end. I guess that way of thinking continues to be alien to me because back home, we don’t view the ability to own guns as necessary or intrinsic. Granted, it’s not that I ignore this is constitutionally protected.

Well, it's like removing the ability to drink beer in Prague. It's gonna lead to some trouble.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:58 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Saint Arsenio wrote:Personally, I can see this having lots of Pros and Cons.

On one hand, there would be less School Shootings, Murders involving Guns, Violence involving guns, etc.

On the other hand, however, this would prevent Citizens from protecting themselves. If Policemen are also banned from carrying guns, this could prevent them from properly carrying out their duties, and may lead to more crimes.

I, for one, do not believe the US should do this. Yes, it would most likely decrease gun-related violence, however, it would also most likely lead to an increase in crime.

Plus criminals won't hesitate to buy guns illegally.


They do that now anyway but point taken.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:58 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Probably not tbh. Many would, but large amounts never would.


That’s why I added the maybe at the end. I guess that way of thinking continues to be alien to me because back home, we don’t view the ability to own guns as necessary or intrinsic. Granted, it’s not that I ignore this is constitutionally protected.


But back home your people were and are still willing to fight for the things they do view is necessary and intrinsic.
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Postby Union of Sovereign States and Republics » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:00 pm

Peatiktist wrote:What if America banned guns?
Well I'm a Montanan.
So my options would be kill the few cops that would actually enforce gun control, or just kill myself.

Hard choice.

You live in the Great Plains and have internet?

What weird alternate universe have I transported to?
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:00 pm

Telconi wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
That’s why I added the maybe at the end. I guess that way of thinking continues to be alien to me because back home, we don’t view the ability to own guns as necessary or intrinsic. Granted, it’s not that I ignore this is constitutionally protected.


But back home your people were and are still willing to fight for the things they do view is necessary and intrinsic.


Don’t get me wrong, I’m not suggesting not to fight for your rights... “to paaaarty!” Ok, sorry. Do, if that’s what you as a people deem necessary. I’m just stating that the idea of the USA about fighting to keep guns is alien to me. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Postby Peatiktist » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:01 pm

Union of Sovereign States and Republics wrote:
Peatiktist wrote:What if America banned guns?
Well I'm a Montanan.
So my options would be kill the few cops that would actually enforce gun control, or just kill myself.

Hard choice.

You live in the Great Plains and have internet?

What weird alternate universe have I transported to?

The United States in the year 2019.
Heck, I'm even doing this using phone data.
This nation semi-reflects my political views, but not completely.
Also, before anyone assumes, my leader is in no way based off of myself.

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Postby Telconi » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:02 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Telconi wrote:
But back home your people were and are still willing to fight for the things they do view is necessary and intrinsic.


Don’t get me wrong, I’m not suggesting not to fight for your rights... “to paaaarty!” Ok, sorry. Do, if that’s what you as a people deem necessary. I’m just stating that the idea of the USA about fighting to keep guns is alien to me. Nothing more, nothing less.


Oh, I understand, just pointing out an oddity in people. While they vary from group to group, a group's willingness to fight and die for that which it considers necessary is seemingly universal.
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Postby Union of Sovereign States and Republics » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:03 pm

Peatiktist wrote:
Union of Sovereign States and Republics wrote:You live in the Great Plains and have internet?

What weird alternate universe have I transported to?

The United States in the year 2019.
Heck, I'm even doing this using phone data.

...are you sure we're talking about the same US? Every US I've been to so far has the middle east either a nuclear wasteland, overrun by the zombie apocalypse, or a safe haven of the remaining human populations after the Great Robot Revolution because they have no internet.

I've said too much, haven't I?
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:03 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Telconi wrote:
But back home your people were and are still willing to fight for the things they do view is necessary and intrinsic.


Don’t get me wrong, I’m not suggesting not to fight for your rights... “to paaaarty!” Ok, sorry. Do, if that’s what you as a people deem necessary. I’m just stating that the idea of the USA about fighting to keep guns is alien to me. Nothing more, nothing less.


It's okay. It's alien to pretty much anyone who isn't American.

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Postby Inkopolitia » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:04 pm

Doesn't Switzerland have compulsory gun ownership for people who have done military training (Basically everyone that is a guy over 18, because it's mandatory)? And as far as I know, it's one of the most peaceful countries of Europe. I'm pretty sure America's gun violence is something that is caused because there is something wrong with American society, not because America has guns.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:04 pm

Telconi wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not suggesting not to fight for your rights... “to paaaarty!” Ok, sorry. Do, if that’s what you as a people deem necessary. I’m just stating that the idea of the USA about fighting to keep guns is alien to me. Nothing more, nothing less.


Oh, I understand, just pointing out an oddity in people. While they vary from group to group, a group's willingness to fight and die for that which it considers necessary is seemingly universal.


Point.

Fartsniffage wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not suggesting not to fight for your rights... “to paaaarty!” Ok, sorry. Do, if that’s what you as a people deem necessary. I’m just stating that the idea of the USA about fighting to keep guns is alien to me. Nothing more, nothing less.


It's okay. It's alien to pretty much anyone who isn't American.


I just reread my post. My grammar and syntax sucks today. :?
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Postby The Chuck » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:05 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not suggesting not to fight for your rights... “to paaaarty!” Ok, sorry. Do, if that’s what you as a people deem necessary. I’m just stating that the idea of the USA about fighting to keep guns is alien to me. Nothing more, nothing less.


It's okay. It's alien to pretty much anyone who isn't American.


*Looks at Switzerland*

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Postby Peatiktist » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:05 pm

Union of Sovereign States and Republics wrote:
Peatiktist wrote:The United States in the year 2019.
Heck, I'm even doing this using phone data.

...are you sure we're talking about the same US? Every US I've been to so far has the middle east either a nuclear wasteland, overrun by the zombie apocalypse, or a safe haven of the remaining human populations after the Great Robot Revolution because they have no internet.

I've said too much, haven't I?

There is no need to continue an imaginary universe in the middle of a serious forum thread.
This is real life. Kinda.
This nation semi-reflects my political views, but not completely.
Also, before anyone assumes, my leader is in no way based off of myself.

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Postby Hammer Britannia » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:05 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Telconi wrote:
But back home your people were and are still willing to fight for the things they do view is necessary and intrinsic.


Don’t get me wrong, I’m not suggesting not to fight for your rights... “to paaaarty!” Ok, sorry. Do, if that’s what you as a people deem necessary. I’m just stating that the idea of the USA about fighting to keep guns is alien to me. Nothing more, nothing less.

Eh, in most states you're dead anyways so...
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Postby Union of Sovereign States and Republics » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:05 pm

Inkopolitia wrote:Doesn't Switzerland have compulsory gun ownership for people who have done military training (Basically everyone that is a guy over 18, because it's mandatory)? And as far as I know, it's one of the most peaceful countries of Europe. I'm pretty sure America's gun violence is something that is caused because there is something wrong with American society, not because America has guns.

It's definitely a problem with our society, but gun rights have been so ingrained that you'll either have to reform it slowly or make it completely collapse (kinda like the USSR come to think of it)
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Postby Diopolis » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:06 pm

Inkopolitia wrote:Doesn't Switzerland have compulsory gun ownership for people who have done military training (Basically everyone that is a guy over 18, because it's mandatory)? And as far as I know, it's one of the most peaceful countries of Europe. I'm pretty sure America's gun violence is something that is caused because there is something wrong with American society, not because America has guns.

Yes, although it's not exactly "yokel army defense force".
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:06 pm

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not suggesting not to fight for your rights... “to paaaarty!” Ok, sorry. Do, if that’s what you as a people deem necessary. I’m just stating that the idea of the USA about fighting to keep guns is alien to me. Nothing more, nothing less.

Eh, in most states you're dead anyways so...


I am? Why did nobody tell me that I died?!
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Postby Inkopolitia » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:07 pm

Union of Sovereign States and Republics wrote:
Inkopolitia wrote:Doesn't Switzerland have compulsory gun ownership for people who have done military training (Basically everyone that is a guy over 18, because it's mandatory)? And as far as I know, it's one of the most peaceful countries of Europe. I'm pretty sure America's gun violence is something that is caused because there is something wrong with American society, not because America has guns.

It's definitely a problem with our society, but gun rights have been so ingrained that you'll either have to reform it slowly or make it completely collapse (kinda like the USSR come to think of it)

Yeah, I don't get why people say that guns are the problem when they're not. I may just be a 14 year old girl who can't own a gun, but I believe that taking guns away from the people is a form of authoritarianism.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:07 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Eh, in most states you're dead anyways so...


I am? Why did nobody tell me that I died?!

Well, it's nothing personal. 2012 happened and we all died then
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Postby Union of Sovereign States and Republics » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:08 pm

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I am? Why did nobody tell me that I died?!

Well, it's nothing personal. 2012 happened and we all died then

like i said, nobody's felt genuinely happy since then
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:08 pm

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I am? Why did nobody tell me that I died?!

Well, it's nothing personal. 2012 happened and we all died then


A short emailed memo would have been nice, you know.
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Postby Inkopolitia » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:08 pm

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I am? Why did nobody tell me that I died?!

Well, it's nothing personal. 2012 happened and we all died then

Bro... what if we just died in 2012 and spawned in Heaven? And the people who spawned in Hell have to endure having social media exclusively talk about politics? Bro...
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Postby Union of Sovereign States and Republics » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:08 pm

Inkopolitia wrote:
Union of Sovereign States and Republics wrote:It's definitely a problem with our society, but gun rights have been so ingrained that you'll either have to reform it slowly or make it completely collapse (kinda like the USSR come to think of it)

Yeah, I don't get why people say that guns are the problem when they're not. I may just be a 14 year old girl who can't own a gun, but I believe that taking guns away from the people is a form of authoritarianism.

As a 22 year old man who still plays Pokémon, Splatoon, Minecraft, and Smash on the daily and has the humor of a high school softmore i agree with you completely
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