'Manspreading chair' and men's boundaries

[Scomagia]

Maybe your experiences aren’t universal?

Other posters saying they've had or observed similar behavior would tend to state that while not necessarily universal, they are not unique either.

The consensus seems to be that it's a non issue with only a few douchebags being obnoxious about the extent of their spreading.

[Katganistan]

Now I know you don't ride NYC Transit regularly. They actually had to put up signs on all trains and buses telling people that assaulting drivers conductors, and MTA workers is a felony punishable by 7 years in prison.

http://www.mta.info/news-bus-train-subw ... ll-go-jail

http://www.twulocal100.org/story/transi ... ies-needed

Think about why that would be necessary.

Ok, and what do you want to do about these violent seat-hogs?

Read the thread. I'm sure I said it often enough.

[Highever]

Yes, I already stated as much a while ago, considering I don't live there. Again, I never saw anything like that during my stay and use of the system, nor have I had any issue regarding other systems of people immediately turning violent when asked to move.

Ever think that there are other reasons that are not just caused by people being asked to move?

Ever think that I'm telling you things, and linking to them, for a reason?
Or are we just going to deflect again with "these things don't happen" when I demonstrate that these things actually do?

Is it that difficult to accept you might not know what the reality is in a place other people live in, especially when other posters say, "yeah that definitely is a possibility?"

Ever think that perhaps the point of a debate thread is you should take a moment to think about things and consider that a middle ground is possible rather than rant about how the other side is categorically wrong despite evidence supporting their position with only opinion on yours?


No. Of course not.

Is it that difficult for you to understand my argument has never been that "these things don't happen", and it is in fact calling BS on your claim that it is the most common response in public transit when asked to move? Funnily enough, posting examples of altercations is utterly pointless, considering you are trying to disprove something that I never said.

Is it also difficult for you to accept that I personally said I realize these things do in fact happen, and constantly reaffirmed that I am not saying otherwise, but doubting your nonsense that the immediate response that one will get when asking someone to move is to be assaulted?

You mean like how you are ranting about how we are all categorically wrong and saying that our disagreement that it is a serious issue equates to us saying women deserve to be oppressed and mistreated on public transit? Again you posting incidents on public transit does not equate to supporting your original claim that this is the most common response to a simple request to move. You are just repeatedly proving that altercations happen on public transit which is something I never denied.

[Scomagia]

I'm pretty sure that should be necessary anywhere

Let me put it this way: until three years ago, it was not seen as a necessity to post that on public transport, nor was it deemed necessary to raise the punishment from a misdemeanor to a felony.

You're acting like the city doing something means that something necessarily needed to be done. That's specious, at best.

[Highever]

Seems to think so..

Of course. Why don't you actually respond to what I write rather than bandwagonning on the "we don't like what's been said, let's make shit up" train.

The irony here is completely astounding, coming from the person who has said that people's disagreement that it is a major issue is them saying that women don't matter and need to learn their place.

[Katganistan]

Now I know you don't ride NYC Transit regularly. They actually had to put up signs on all trains and buses telling people that assaulting drivers conductors, and MTA workers is a felony punishable by 7 years in prison.

http://www.mta.info/news-bus-train-subw ... ll-go-jail

http://www.twulocal100.org/story/transi ... ies-needed

Think about why that would be necessary.

In what part of NYC do you even live in

Why does it matter when this is spread over the whole city, and the law change came from Albany, the state capital?

Look, if you want to investigate how violent the subways and buses are, google it. There are plenty of videos and news articles over all five boroughs to support this rather than all this work attempting to discredit what's already been linked to.

Many residents have had to see antisocial, threatening and violent behavior on public transport here. That's not the point of the thread though, so can we get back to common courtesy?

[Saint Arsenio]

Seems to think so..

Of course. Why don't you actually respond to what I write rather than bandwagonning on the "we don't like what's been said, let's make shit up" train.

Look, I've tried responding to what you're saying, but apparently, you still don't get what Im trying to get across. And yes, I don't like what's being said, because you can't just get rid of our comfortableness, just to satisfy your own views on what we do. We have opinions too, and because we don't agree with what YOU said, but agree with what someone else said, doesn't mean we don't know anything, so don't go there.

[Katganistan]

It still is. Now its also proper ettiequte to not force someone to experience unnecessary pain when it’s convenient for you.

Y’all guys are calling an art house project the epitome of leftism

Ridiculous, isn't it?
But rather than discuss, let's belittle all opposing ideas.

[Highever]

Other posters saying they've had or observed similar behavior would tend to state that while not necessarily universal, they are not unique either.

The consensus seems to be that it's a non issue with only a few douchebags being obnoxious about the extent of their spreading.

Apparently this consensus is equivalent to saying that women don't matter and that men are more important or something though.

[Saint Arsenio]

Y’all guys are calling an art house project the epitome of leftism

Ridiculous, isn't it?
But rather than discuss, let's belittle all opposing ideas.

That's funny, because it seems to me like that's what you're doing. Not trying to come off as aggressive.

[Scomagia]

Y’all guys are calling an art house project the epitome of leftism

Ridiculous, isn't it?
But rather than discuss, let's belittle all opposing ideas.

Well yes, that is what you do.

[Katganistan]

No one has even said shot about leftism until you brought it up

“SJW”s have been brought up quite a lot in this thread

Well, you see, courtesy is a leftist feminazi SJW plot.

[Estanglia]

Y’all guys are calling an art house project the epitome of leftism

Ridiculous, isn't it?

Except only one person has done that.

[Scomagia]

The consensus seems to be that it's a non issue with only a few douchebags being obnoxious about the extent of their spreading.

Apparently this consensus is equivalent to saying that women don't matter and that men are more important or something though.

Naturally.

[Highever]

Ridiculous, isn't it?
But rather than discuss, let's belittle all opposing ideas.

Well yes, that is what you do.

Indeed.

Regardless, let's try to move past this nonsense.

[Garner Industrial State]

Ridiculous, isn't it?

Except only one person has done that.

Apparently a belief can’t be held unless it’s announced word for word

[Estanglia]

Except only one person has done that.

Apparently a belief can’t be held unless it’s announced word for word

Sweet strawman.

Mind pointing to where I said anything along those lines before I set the strawman on fire?

Whilst you're at it, prove that the belief is held by anyone who hasn't explicitly announced it. Go on.

Also, you said 'calling', not 'believing'.

[Katganistan]

More hostility.
You're the one who says it doesn't happen. And six pictures non-framebreaking pictures over two different posts is hardly "massive pictures in large numbers".

Why so angry? Because your attempts to brush off what I am saying as unreasonable or untrue are absolutely failing in a very public way?

You, and the other men who have responded with sarcasm, vitriol and name-calling are doing a better job at proving that this self-centered, entitled behavior is a problem than any ONE WORD I posted.

Good job.

Yeah Kat? You can stop hiding behind victimhood and complaining when it comes to hostility considering you yoursel hostilely quipped at someone for potentially not being able to read barely a page back, okay? You're not above anyone else here In terms of tone. Seriously, I'm quite concerned if you cannot handle the commonplace snark of NSG by now.

If by publicly failing you mean not at all, considering very few people have shown any support for your claims whatsoever, and are infact largely in the same boat as I am in heavily questioning your claims that everyone reacts to violence as the first method of communication when asked to move.

If you want to interpret snark as somehow proof of your argument go ahead, since you haven't done anything to really do so yourself. Pretty sure almost no one is advocating for deliberate man spreading either like you are trying to make it out to be. Most are just acknowledging that males tend to sit a different way.

Keep telling yourself that it's me claiming victimhood, if it makes you feel better.

[Saint Arsenio]

Yeah Kat? You can stop hiding behind victimhood and complaining when it comes to hostility considering you yoursel hostilely quipped at someone for potentially not being able to read barely a page back, okay? You're not above anyone else here In terms of tone. Seriously, I'm quite concerned if you cannot handle the commonplace snark of NSG by now.

If by publicly failing you mean not at all, considering very few people have shown any support for your claims whatsoever, and are infact largely in the same boat as I am in heavily questioning your claims that everyone reacts to violence as the first method of communication when asked to move.

If you want to interpret snark as somehow proof of your argument go ahead, since you haven't done anything to really do so yourself. Pretty sure almost no one is advocating for deliberate man spreading either like you are trying to make it out to be. Most are just acknowledging that males tend to sit a different way.

Keep telling yourself that it's me claiming victimhood, if it makes you feel better.

I mean, you keep claiming that "Women's comfortableness doesn't matter, but hey, at least the Men are comfortable." I don't know about you, but to me, it seems like you're trying to make Females the victims here, when really, there is no victim.

[Ors Might]

Except only one person has done that.

Apparently a belief can’t be held unless it’s announced word for word

It typically helps if there’s evidence for a claim, yes.

[Katganistan]

Perhaps you are unable to understand that Salus brought up something I had not asserted was in any way right and yet flung it in my direction while being hostile, and that I was commenting to Saint Arsenio that while his reponse was not hostile, others are.

It's like you're deliberately trying to find something to be offended over. It's not cute.

THey very clearly did not specifically mention you in reference to the chair and very clearly made sure to specify they were talking about the person who made the chair.

Says the person constantly whining about hostility and people's tones in this thread. You are tight tho, it is not cute.

It's amusing that you feel you have any cause to call out my tone when you've admitted to "snark". Why don't you concentrate on the actual topic rather than me considering I'm not the one whining? That would be nice.

[Chestaan]

Then, we boycott until they recognize that we like to be comfortable too.

It's not comfy for women to be squeezed into a triangle because fellows want to take up so much space. TRUST me. I've got off with my legs aching from being jammed against the metal end of the bench and someone's legs shoving mine seven inches to the left or right.

But hey, it's only men's comfort that matters.
That's the point of this entire thread.

Imagine being so reactionary that you think that men saying that they would prefer not to endure massive pain on their testicles or endure fertility problems is saying that women's comfort doesn't matter. The only one here saying that someone's comfort doesn't matter is you.

[Highever]

Yeah Kat? You can stop hiding behind victimhood and complaining when it comes to hostility considering you yoursel hostilely quipped at someone for potentially not being able to read barely a page back, okay? You're not above anyone else here In terms of tone. Seriously, I'm quite concerned if you cannot handle the commonplace snark of NSG by now.

If by publicly failing you mean not at all, considering very few people have shown any support for your claims whatsoever, and are infact largely in the same boat as I am in heavily questioning your claims that everyone reacts to violence as the first method of communication when asked to move.

If you want to interpret snark as somehow proof of your argument go ahead, since you haven't done anything to really do so yourself. Pretty sure almost no one is advocating for deliberate man spreading either like you are trying to make it out to be. Most are just acknowledging that males tend to sit a different way.

Keep telling yourself that it's me claiming victimhood, if it makes you feel better.

Considering you are constantly trying to put yourself on a pedestal and looking down on everyone else for "belittling" opposing views and being a bit hostile in town while blatantly doing the same things yourself but trying to play the victim of these things to avert your own partaking in them, you are the one saying it quite clearly yourself. But continue to try and say otherwise, if it makes you feel better.

If people's posts are just too much for you to handle and are just too darn hostile and vitriolic, I humbly remind you of the foe button so that you can stop whining about it.

[Ors Might]

It's not comfy for women to be squeezed into a triangle because fellows want to take up so much space. TRUST me. I've got off with my legs aching from being jammed against the metal end of the bench and someone's legs shoving mine seven inches to the left or right.

But hey, it's only men's comfort that matters.
That's the point of this entire thread.

Imagine being so reactionary that you think that men saying that they would prefer not to endure massive pain on their testicles or endure fertility problems is saying that women's comfort doesn't matter. The only one here saying that someone's comfort doesn't matter is you.

Careful. Apparently saying that is hostility.

[Katganistan]

Keep telling yourself that it's me claiming victimhood, if it makes you feel better.

I mean, you keep claiming that "Women's comfortableness doesn't matter, but hey, at least the Men are comfortable." I don't know about you, but to me, it seems like you're trying to make Females the victims here, when really, there is no victim.

So when women cannot sit, or sit with men pressing them into a tiny space, women's comfort DOES matter? When women are told to shut up about having to sit in a fraction of a seat because there 'is no victim', does that make any sense?

Please, reread what you just wrote.