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You can't enforce alterations to language so while dumb, it's ultimately a non-issue.

Liriena wrote:

Nova Cyberia wrote:I'm not seeing your point?

I didn't say anything inaccurate. The words are limited now, and won't be used in any official capacity by the City of Berkley.

Perhaps, instead of your usual flimsy shitposting and cringy shit, you could actually make a coherent argument?

No? Okay.

I already made an argument: this doesn't matter. It's a minor wording change in bureaucratic texts for one American city. Even as a gesture of inclusivity it's meaningless.

And I find it funny.

Anything else?

Purgatio wrote:

Liriena wrote:tfw you don't even understand your own dog-whistles

Please, tell me what exactly you think "cultural marxism" means.

A liberal-progressive cultural movement

And you've already disqualified yourself.

Marxism and liberalism are diametrically opposed. So if you're going to insist on this conspiracy theory, you might want to drop the "Marxism" label... unless, of course, you're just red-baiting.

Purgatio wrote:as evidenced by the 'safe space' and 'trigger warning' policies being pushed for so hard in higher education.

Evidenced how?

Page wrote:

Purgatio wrote:
Excuse me, what? I said "Cultural Marxism" I said nothing about Jews, dude. Don't read stuff into it.

Fearmongering over "cultural Marxism" is a tactic of white supremacists, and they always blame it on the Jews.

There are people who aren't white supremacists who use the term, but one of the main goals of white supremacists is to normalize their ideology by getting people to unknowingly adapt their dog whistles.

This poster knows what's up.

Nova Cyberia wrote:

Liriena wrote:I already made an argument: this doesn't matter. It's a minor wording change in bureaucratic texts for one American city. Even as a gesture of inclusivity it's meaningless.

And I find it funny.

Anything else?

You find it funny but also you're unironically treating it as signs of something Orwellian going on. Which tells me you didn't post this just to have a laugh.

Galloism wrote:

Page wrote:
Fearmongering over "cultural Marxism" is a tactic of white supremacists, and they always blame it on the Jews.

There are people who aren't white supremacists who use the term, but one of the main goals of white supremacists is to normalize their ideology by getting people to unknowingly adapt their dog whistles.

This poster knows what's up.

*scoffs*

Nazi. /s

Purgatio wrote:

The Black Forrest wrote:Meh.

Non-issue.

How are you hurt by this?

Replacing all those terms in municipal codes is likely to cost at least some money. So taxpayers will have the privilege of knowing they paid to have 'gendered language' erased, wasting money on a non-problem

I don't know the Berkeley codes. I really doubt you will find "manhole" in them. Probably, called utility access points. It's what we called them at the government facility I was at.

The outrage is probably more about the reduction of the use of the word man.

Personally; I don't care. It's just words. They change all the time and have different meanings in outer countries.

Here for example; you might get a if you mention you are going to go light up a fag.

Liriena wrote:

Nakena wrote:
No. Thats now called Globohomo.

Look it up.

[cries in flat earth]

I am afraid Globohomo has already gotten me.

The Black Forrest wrote:if you mention you are going to go light up a fag.

Quite the gentleman you are! *points at ava-flag*

Liriena wrote:

Nova Cyberia wrote:And I find it funny.

Anything else?

You find it funny but also you're unironically treating it as signs of something Orwellian going on. Which tells me you didn't post this just to have a laugh.

The entire notion of changing words that have been around forever for no other reason that to appease those obsessed with cultural outrage is a bit Orwellian to me.

And also funny.

Liriena wrote:

Purgatio wrote:
A liberal-progressive cultural movement

And you've already disqualified yourself.

Marxism and liberalism are diametrically opposed. So if you're going to insist on this conspiracy theory, you might want to drop the "Marxism" label... unless, of course, you're just red-baiting.

Purgatio wrote:as evidenced by the 'safe space' and 'trigger warning' policies being pushed for so hard in higher education.

Evidenced how?

Are you asking for evidence of 'safe space' and 'trigger warning' policies? Because they objectively do exist.

Nova Cyberia wrote:

Liriena wrote:You find it funny but also you're unironically treating it as signs of something Orwellian going on. Which tells me you didn't post this just to have a laugh.

The entire notion of changing words that have been around forever for no other reason that to appease those obsessed with cultural outrage is a bit Orwellian to me.

And also funny.

Thanks for corroborating what I said, I guess?

Valrifell wrote:You can't enforce alterations to language so while dumb, it's ultimately a non-issue.

You didn’t read the OP, huh?

Nova Cyberia wrote:

Liriena wrote:You find it funny but also you're unironically treating it as signs of something Orwellian going on. Which tells me you didn't post this just to have a laugh.

The entire notion of changing words that have been around forever for no other reason that to appease those obsessed with cultural outrage is a bit Orwellian to me.

And also funny.

Laughs in Great Vowel Shift

Nova Cyberia wrote:

Liriena wrote:You find it funny but also you're unironically treating it as signs of something Orwellian going on. Which tells me you didn't post this just to have a laugh.

The entire notion of changing words that have been around forever for no other reason that to appease those obsessed with cultural outrage is a bit Orwellian to me.

Have you read 1984? Big Brother didn't create Newspeak to avoid offending people lmao.

The Black Forrest wrote:

Purgatio wrote:
Replacing all those terms in municipal codes is likely to cost at least some money. So taxpayers will have the privilege of knowing they paid to have 'gendered language' erased, wasting money on a non-problem

I don't know the Berkeley codes. I really doubt you will find "manhole" in them. Probably, called utility access points. It's what we called them at the government facility I was at.

The outrage is probably more about the reduction of the use of the word man.

Personally; I don't care. It's just words. They change all the time and have different meanings in outer countries.

Here for example; you might get a if you mention you are going to go light up a fag.

I honestly just don't want a guy trying to correct me when I use the old terms. The new terms don't bother me until someone tries to enforce change upon what terms I use.

Here we go again. I am getting tired of this "cultural marxism" crap.

To the OP: Isn't the third option a bit overreacting?

Galloism wrote:

Page wrote:
Fearmongering over "cultural Marxism" is a tactic of white supremacists, and they always blame it on the Jews.

There are people who aren't white supremacists who use the term, but one of the main goals of white supremacists is to normalize their ideology by getting people to unknowingly adapt their dog whistles.

This poster knows what's up.

I admit, I had to squint before sensibly chuckling.

Purgatio wrote:

Liriena wrote:And you've already disqualified yourself.

Marxism and liberalism are diametrically opposed. So if you're going to insist on this conspiracy theory, you might want to drop the "Marxism" label... unless, of course, you're just red-baiting.


Evidenced how?

Are you asking for evidence of 'safe space' and 'trigger warning' policies? Because they objectively do exist.

My, I didn't realize that there was such vitriol against things like the MPAA and ESRB.

Liriena wrote:

Nova Cyberia wrote:The entire notion of changing words that have been around forever for no other reason that to appease those obsessed with cultural outrage is a bit Orwellian to me.

And also funny.

Thanks for corroborating what I said, I guess?

I never denied what you said?

I don't really know what your point is here. Is it the dawn of a dystopian dictatorship in Berkley? No. But it's still Orwellian in nature.

Purgatio wrote:

Liriena wrote:tfw you don't even understand your own dog-whistles

Please, tell me what exactly you think "cultural marxism" means.

A liberal-progressive cultural movement seeking to upend and undermine traditional modes of being, respect for traditional culture and religion, national pride and identity, historical revisionism and postmodernism, erasing distinctions between races, nations, genders, cultures etc, as evidenced by the 'safe space' and 'trigger warning' policies being pushed for so hard in higher education.

How is that anti-Semitic exactly? I didn't mention the Jews once in that

What does "postmodernism" mean to you exactly? Because every time I see this term it seems like an empty catch all for "all the things I'm against."

By the way, trigger warnings is just basic human decency. Like hey, I'm going to discuss rape so maybe you don't want to read this right now because it might bring up painful memories you don't want to relive right now. Is that so terrible? Is that the worst thing the evil cultural Marxists have come up with, just giving a heads up so people can decide for themselves if they want to proceed?

Oh, and it isn't the cultural Marxists who call the FCC when they hear the word "fuck" on network television.

Purgatio wrote:

Liriena wrote:And you've already disqualified yourself.

Marxism and liberalism are diametrically opposed. So if you're going to insist on this conspiracy theory, you might want to drop the "Marxism" label... unless, of course, you're just red-baiting.


Evidenced how?

Are you asking for evidence of 'safe space' and 'trigger warning' policies? Because they objectively do exist.

You have to actually demonstrate that these policies, by and large, are part of a "cultural Marxist" movement that is somehow being led by "liberal-progressives" (precisely the sort of people who could not be Marxists or apply the politics of Marxism).

Name me a "cultural Marxist" thinker.

Kowani wrote:

Camelone wrote:It's a government changing organically generated words to approved Newspeak, it is ridiculous and also slightly concerning that a governmental body sees the need to alter language when there is no need to adapt to a change in the organically generated vernacular.

Have you ever read any legislation? It’s inorganic already. And at any rate, it’s not like anything besides the maintenance codes are being altered.

The fact that a government body felt the need to alter it at all shows that those who proposed it find conventionally used language problematic, otherwise there would be no need to change it. That's the main problem here, not what was changed but the fact they felt the need to change it anyways.

Page wrote:

Camelone wrote:It's a government changing organically generated words to approved Newspeak, it is ridiculous and also slightly concerning that a governmental body sees the need to alter language when there is no need to adapt to a change in the organically generated vernacular.

Either people will start using the alternative terms or they won't, either way, so be it. Language is constantly evolving and ultimately popular consensus is its only judge.

Language should evolve by the interactions of the people, and governmental bodies while using more formal language should do its best to reflect the vernacular in a formal well form. It's an ideological fueled move to change perfectly accept words, I mean if people naturally began to change what they called something I'm fine with that but a government changing the language of their texts for purely ideological reasons is something I am firmly against even if it something trivial like this. Granted I understand this is pure virtue signaling but its still annoying and well worth a "You got to be kidding me?"

What the hell?

Nova Cyberia wrote:

Liriena wrote:You find it funny but also you're unironically treating it as signs of something Orwellian going on. Which tells me you didn't post this just to have a laugh.

The entire notion of changing words that have been around forever for no other reason that to appease those obsessed with cultural outrage is a bit Orwellian to me.

And also funny.

>words that have been around forever

>modern English words to describe relatively new things like "manhole"

Pick one.

Page wrote:

Purgatio wrote:
Excuse me, what? I said "Cultural Marxism" I said nothing about Jews, dude. Don't read stuff into it.

Fearmongering over "cultural Marxism" is a tactic of white supremacists, and they always blame it on the Jews.

There are people who aren't white supremacists who use the term, but one of the main goals of white supremacists is to normalize their ideology by getting people to unknowingly adapt their dog whistles.

Nah. They are just mad the jews are replacing them.

Flash words are very effective for the simple people of the land. I have seen more then a few cases of not being able to explain the process of maga or how something is fake news.

Camelone wrote:Language should evolve by the interactions of the people, and governmental bodies while using more formal language should do its best to reflect the vernacular in a formal well form. "

You know the French actually have such a body, but nobody actually listens to them. Which is why getting uppity about these kinds of things is always a non-starter.