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Should other cities remove gendered words from their vocabulary too?

Of course. 'Manhole' is an inherently offensive term.
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No. I like my gendered words the way they are.
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Quarantine Berkley.
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Postby Union of Sovereign States and Republics » Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:15 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
I think "Maintenance access" makes more sense since not all of them are going into sewers.

But "manhole" is generally understood to mean an access point where the opening is large enough for a person to fit through, whereas "maintenance access" is a catchall term that doesn't imply this distinction.

Berkeley really isn't doing itself any favors here.

You can call anything maintenance access if it provides access to something that may need maintenance; a door to ventilation, a ladder, a manhole...

Meanwhile, a manhole is easily defined.
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Postby Saint Arsenio » Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:16 pm

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Saint Arsenio wrote:No. I don't know what I've done for you to believe that.


Because "left me just because I used gendered words" is not a thing that actually happens.

Oh, I'm sorry that my personal experiences don't fit with what you think.
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Postby Shofercia » Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:30 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Saint Arsenio wrote:When I said "leave me out of it," I wasn't saying it to offend anyone. I wasn't saying it to be rude. I was saying it, because I've lost people I know because I've used "Gendered" words. I don't believe we should change the way we say specific words because of it. Instead, we could just use the pronouns people want to be addressed with. I also don't see why people are getting offended by words like "manhole." So, if what I said offended anyone, it wasn't meant to, and I apologize.


Or more likely you lost them for other reasons but are trying to convince yourself it's totally because you said "chairman" that one time.


And you know this based on your wealth of experience of dealing with people that Arsenio knew? I've known of people who left because their partner voted for Trump or Clinton, which I think is idiotic, but I'm not going to pretend to know people I've never met.


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Ifreann wrote:You've lost people? Do you not know where they are?

Are you serious? I really hope this is a joke you're trying to make.


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Postby Saint Arsenio » Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:47 pm

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Vassenor wrote:
Or more likely you lost them for other reasons but are trying to convince yourself it's totally because you said "chairman" that one time.


And you know this based on your wealth of experience of dealing with people that Arsenio knew? I've known of people who left because their partner voted for Trump or Clinton, which I think is idiotic, but I'm not going to pretend to know people I've never met.


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Postby Scherzinger » Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:50 pm

Berkeley doesnt deserve to exist

there are only two genders

ceasing to use gendered language will be the downfall of america
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Postby EastKekistan » Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:52 pm

Scherzinger wrote:Berkeley doesnt deserve to exist

there are only two genders

ceasing to use gendered language will be the downfall of america


Berkeley has UCB. It needs to exist.
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Postby EastKekistan » Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:53 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Or more likely you lost them for other reasons but are trying to convince yourself it's totally because you said "chairman" that one time.


And you know this based on your wealth of experience of dealing with people that Arsenio knew? I've known of people who left because their partner voted for Trump or Clinton, which I think is idiotic, but I'm not going to pretend to know people I've never met.


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EastKekistan wrote:Cat rights movement
Catspreading
Catwich
Tough cat
Cat Fieri

"Cat" is gender-neutral


And if you like dogs more?


Saint Arsenio wrote:Are you serious? I really hope this is a joke you're trying to make.


It's Iffy, the one who usually jokes when people say something like "I've lost people" on a forum.

Cats rule over humans who rule over dogs. So yeah let's use "cat" as a pronoun and as a gender-neutral term for humans.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:55 pm

EastKekistan wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
And you know this based on your wealth of experience of dealing with people that Arsenio knew? I've known of people who left because their partner voted for Trump or Clinton, which I think is idiotic, but I'm not going to pretend to know people I've never met.




Still too masculine:

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PerSON Fieri




And if you like dogs more?




It's Iffy, the one who usually jokes when people say something like "I've lost people" on a forum.

Cats rule over humans who rule over dogs. So yeah let's use "cat" as a pronoun and as a gender-neutral term for humans.


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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:14 pm

EastKekistan wrote:
Scherzinger wrote:Berkeley doesnt deserve to exist

there are only two genders

ceasing to use gendered language will be the downfall of america


Berkeley has UCB. It needs to exist.

They already gave us Aaron Rodgers, they've fulfilled their purpose.

Time to push it into the sea.
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Postby EastKekistan » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:18 pm

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Berkeley has UCB. It needs to exist.

They already gave us Aaron Rodgers, they've fulfilled their purpose.

Time to push it into the sea.

Nope. That means you don't know why UCB needs to exist.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:23 pm

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The Two Jerseys wrote:They already gave us Aaron Rodgers, they've fulfilled their purpose.

Time to push it into the sea.

Nope. That means you don't know why UCB needs to exist.

Does it involve turning it into an Antifa penal colony?
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Postby Union of Sovereign States and Republics » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:25 pm

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EastKekistan wrote:Nope. That means you don't know why UCB needs to exist.

Does it involve turning it into an Antifa penal colony?

I'd be fine to make a penal colony specifically for members of Antifa
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EastKekistan wrote:Nope. That means you don't know why UCB needs to exist.

Does it involve turning it into an Antifa penal colony?

Sigh. Antifa fucking sucks. However UCB is one of the best STEM research institutions in the world with world class scientists and expensive equipments. You seem to be completely unaware of how important these are...
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Postby EastKekistan » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:26 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
EastKekistan wrote:Cats rule over humans who rule over dogs. So yeah let's use "cat" as a pronoun and as a gender-neutral term for humans.


I see no flaw in your plan. None.

Right. We need more felinism, less feminism. Why? Because cats rule over humans regardless of gender. Feminism and MRA are both flawed ideologies for they fail to take into account cats.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:18 pm

Saint Arsenio wrote:
Ifreann wrote:You've lost people? Do you not know where they are?

Are you serious? I really hope this is a joke you're trying to make.

Of course it's a joke. I'm mocking how you're acting like gendered words killed someone.
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Postby Saint Arsenio » Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:44 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Saint Arsenio wrote:Are you serious? I really hope this is a joke you're trying to make.

Of course it's a joke. I'm mocking how you're acting like gendered words killed someone.

Can you show me where I said Gendered words killed someone? You seem to be attempting to put words into my mouth that I clearly did not say. You also seem to not be comprehending anything I've said so far. (Mocking me? How mature of you to do that).
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:51 pm

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Ifreann wrote:Of course it's a joke. I'm mocking how you're acting like gendered words killed someone.

Can you show me where I said Gendered words killed someone?

It is weird how you are so literal yet fail to read my post.
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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:55 pm

Okay. This is really of zero importance. Anyone who thinks this is a bad thing is looking to be offended.
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Postby Saint Arsenio » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:13 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Saint Arsenio wrote:Can you show me where I said Gendered words killed someone?

It is weird how you are so literal yet fail to read my post.

I'm not literal. At least in my opinion. I just don't understand how I've failed to read your post. You said I'm acting like gendered words killed someone, when nowhere in my posts have I even implied that. I've also asked you a question that you have yet to answer. I believe you're trying to divert away from it.
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Postby Shofercia » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:34 pm

EastKekistan wrote:Cats rule over humans who rule over dogs. So yeah let's use "cat" as a pronoun and as a gender-neutral term for humans.


In that case, why not use dolphin? The dolphins rule all of us. Without Roxanne there'd be no Zeus. The most famous dolphin, Flipper, brought joy to all. The most famous cat is grumpy by definition. And dolphins don't kill off entire species of birds either. Dolphin Power! Dolphin Rights!


The Two Jerseys wrote:They already gave us Aaron Rodgers, they've fulfilled their purpose.

Time to push it into the sea.


Oh San Francisco, passing on Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady. How's that going for ya? Oh right, you had Colin Kaepernick :P


Wallenburg wrote:Okay. This is really of zero importance. Anyone who thinks this is a bad thing is looking to be offended.


I'm laughing that their claim is that the word "MAN" is discriminates against women, and yet they're using "huMAN rights" instead of "People's Rights" as an example.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:37 pm

Isn’t manhole a shortening of “manual access”; etymology for ‘hand’ as in the word ‘manual’?
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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:50 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Isn’t manhole a shortening of “manual access”; etymology for ‘hand’ as in the word ‘manual’?

Never thought of it that way. A manhole is a hole a man goes down to do maintenance. *shrug* Why does it even matter what word is used?
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Postby Otira » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:53 pm

Nakena wrote:I don't even get this anymore.

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Postby Cappuccina » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:53 pm

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Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Isn’t manhole a shortening of “manual access”; etymology for ‘hand’ as in the word ‘manual’?

Never thought of it that way. A manhole is a hole a man goes down to do maintenance. *shrug* Why does it even matter what word is used?

If it doesn't matter why change it?
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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:56 pm

Cappuccina wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Never thought of it that way. A manhole is a hole a man goes down to do maintenance. *shrug* Why does it even matter what word is used?

If it doesn't matter why change it?

It's Berkeley. Does it matter if they do change it? It's not as if they'll be handing out tickets to people who say "manhole" within the city limits. There is a difference between a mountain and a molehill. This is the latter, why waste your energy trying to make it into the former?
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